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OK. I did. It gets called all the time.
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Jerry Markbreit - former NFL referee
'Defensive backs who grab intended receivers beyond the line of scrimmage commit defensive holding, providing the ball is not in the air; and then, it is defensive pass interference.'
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Living is Easy with Eyes Closed
Jerry who? Watch a few games and tell me what is called.
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AZ you're wrong once the ball is in the air its pass interference watch the game Sunday the ref will say before the ball is thrown holding on the defense 5 yard penalty automatic first down.
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It gets called all the time. DPI is the more severe penalty so that is why you have they guideline. Since the ball was uncatchable you can't call DPI, but holding fits. You can only have DPI against someone who could catch the ball .... holding can be called when the receiver can't catch the ball ...... the holding rule doesn't really have any qualifiers
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Have you ever run at high speed and had another guy push you forward in that direction? It's almost impossible to slow that momentum.
Personally, I think they need to change this rule. It wasn't holding because he was the intended target and it wasn't pass interference because the ball was declared uncatchable. BUT, if it had not been for the hold and the running shove Gronk might have been able to knock the ball out of his hands to stop the interception and who knows what could have happened at that point. He deserved the chance to make that play and they, in essence, rewarded the fouling team. Right call, bad rule.
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This really doesn't matter. Whether or not they score, the pass in incomplete, or intercepted, the game is over. There was only 5 seconds left when that play happened. Clock was at zeros when the play was over.
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Yes, it does matter. First off, the game can't end on a defensive penalty so it the rule were changed it would have given them another play. Secondly, once the ball is tipped it can be caught by someone else or if ruled an interception it can be fumbled. In any case, the time on the clock had no official bearing on the ruling of the play.
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You're seriously arguing on those points? I'm basing my findings on how the play turned out, not a bunch of what ifs.
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I think you missed my point. I think the right call was probably made, I just think the rule should be changed. The league recognizes that holding committed anywhere on the field can have a bearing on the play even when it's nowhere near the action. So they are supposed to call all holds regardless if the ball is catchable except when the hold occurs against the intended receiver. Then, assuming the ball is in the air, it stops being a hold and becomes the even greater penalty of a pass interference. But this play illustrates the problem with this rule. It would have been called a hold if the ball was being thrown to any other player on the field.
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if the ball hasn't been thrown yet and there's a holding. it counts. The reason, at that moment, you don't know the intended receiver. It could be the one being held and that prevents the QB from throwing to him. In Pats play, the holding started after the ball was thrown, so it's DPI now and the catchable judgment stuff.
