Paul Millsap

[elindholm]

The Jazz had to renounce their rights to Millsap in order to make their deal with the Warriors. Should the Suns pursue him? My opinion on Millsap is that he's the classic example of a player who was considered underrated for so long that he's now overrated. But even so, he's only 28 and has averaged around 16 and 8 over the last three seasons. The Suns will eventually need a PF, and while it would be great to fill every need through the draft, it could be several years before they amass that many quality picks.

Does anyone know what is the maximum starting salary the Suns could offer, if they were interested?

 

[Diamondback Jay]

On talent alone, I'd fully favor the Suns pursuing Millsap. He's never going to light up a scoreboard, but he's one of those type of players who will do all the little things efficiently.

 

[devilalum]

He's pretty much what they want Morriseseses to be.

 

[Mainstreet]

Millsap is a player that I have always liked. The Suns would do well to get him. I think the Suns tried to get him a few years back using Robin Lopez as bait. He is way better than than any PF on the Suns roster.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Solid vet, and young enough to be relevant for a few years. We just have to get rid of Scola.

His personality reminds me of Joe Johnson.

 

[SirStefan32]

Eh, I think someone will overpay him. I'd be OK if the Suns got him for $6M per year or so if they can get rid of Scola and the Morris twins.

 

[Phrazbit]

I like him as a player but as far as I know we're capped out.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Millsap's availability does limit our ability to move Scola a tad, I would think. He's a much much better, younger version, for a little more money.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Paul Millsap=No Andrew Wiggins. No Thx

 

[Gaddabout]

I like him as a player but as far as I know we're capped out.

About 500K under the cap, before moving Gortat, who's almost certainly going to be gone.

 

[Gaddabout]

Paul Millsap=No Andrew Wiggins. No Thx

The Suns aren't going to get Wiggins, anyway. There are at least 5 teams more committed to losing (unintentionally, one would assume).

Acquire talent. Winning teams acquire talent. Screw tanking.

 

[cly2tw]

If Houston lose out on Dwightmare, they'd sign Milsap asap.

 

[Joe Mama]

The Suns aren't going to get Wiggins, anyway. There are at least 5 teams more committed to losing (unintentionally, one would assume).

Acquire talent. Winning teams acquire talent. Screw tanking.

1. Who are these five teams? Off the top of my head Philadelphia is the only one that might be worse than us, especially if we unload Gortat and possibly Scola.

2. Winning teams do acquire talent, but at this point I don't think we want to overpay for fairly mediocre talent. The best shot at acquiring some real potential, superstar talent is getting one of the top two or three picks in the 2014 draft.

Joe

 

[Gaddabout]

1. Who are these five teams? Off the top of my head Philadelphia is the only one that might be worse than us, especially if we unload Gortat and possibly Scola.

2. Winning teams do acquire talent, but at this point I don't think we want to overpay for fairly mediocre talent. The best shot at acquiring some real potential, superstar talent is getting one of the top two or three picks in the 2014 draft.

Joe

Agreed. Don't overpay. But if you can get Milsap for < $8 mil a year for > 2 years, that's a nice piece for a building team. Especially if you plan on drafting a 1, 3 or 5 in the next year.

In addition to Philly, you have the Bobcats, Kings and Pistons all competing for the Wiggins sweepstakes. I say be the 5th or 6th worst team, take your chances with nice role players, and let the chips fall where they fall. Wiggins would be a very nice piece for a team that just drafted Alvan Adams II (i.e. Len), but Julius Randle would be just as nice with Milsap already on board.

 

[JS22]

Eh, I think someone will overpay him. I'd be OK if the Suns got him for $6M per year or so if they can get rid of Scola and the Morris twins.

6m per year? Way too low for Millsap.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

He signed with the Hawks for 2 years, $19 million.

 

[Joe Mama]

Agreed. Don't overpay. But if you can get Milsap for < $8 mil a year for > 2 years, that's a nice piece for a building team. Especially if you plan on drafting a 1, 3 or 5 in the next year.

In addition to Philly, you have the Bobcats, Kings and Pistons all competing for the Wiggins sweepstakes. I say be the 5th or 6th worst team, take your chances with nice role players, and let the chips fall where they fall. Wiggins would be a very nice piece for a team that just drafted Alvan Adams II (i.e. Len), but Julius Randle would be just as nice with Milsap already on board.

I'm just not that big a fan of Paul Millsap.. If we are going to spend money I think we should be doing it on people with upside. Otherwise I'd rather just play Scola and Morris. Unfortunately I just don't see any young 4's out there who really interest me. Not that I think he's an All-Star or anything, but it's a damn shame we took Marshall over Henson.

I agree Randle looks like a nice consolation prize if/when we lose out on Wiggins, but I'm not following why Millsap's presence would make that any better. My guess is that signing Milsap would just make it less likely.

Joe

 

[hcsilla]

Agreed. Don't overpay. But if you can get Milsap for < $8 mil a year for > 2 years, that's a nice piece for a building team. Especially if you plan on drafting a 1, 3 or 5 in the next year.

In addition to Philly, you have the Bobcats, Kings and Pistons all competing for the Wiggins sweepstakes.

No, you don't since Pistons reportedly are trying to do the exact opposite, the Kings may follow them while the Bobcats already made an agreement with Al Jefferson.

 

[hcsilla]

My guess is that signing Milsap would just make it less likely.

Signing Millsap obviously would have made zero sense for the Suns.

 

[Phrazbit]

About 500K under the cap, before moving Gortat, who's almost certainly going to be gone.

At this point I doubt Gortat gets moved before the season starts, I dont see much of a market for him at the moment. I'm thinking he will be a mid-season trade as fringe teams look to make a push.

 

[sunsfan88]

Millsap's availability does limit our ability to move Scola a tad, I would think. He's a much much better, younger version, for a little more money.

A little? Milsap is making $5M more than Scola. I would consider that pretty significant.

And I love Millsap and I wanted the Suns to get him so bad back when we had Nash and everything but now? I don't see the point in it. He's expensive and he's 28 so by the time we are done rebuilding, he'll be past his prime.

I don't like the idea of us giving anything more than $5 mil/yr to guys who are 26 or older. We should just be loading up on the young talent getting ready to tank.

 

[slinslin]

Agreed. Don't overpay. But if you can get Milsap for < $8 mil a year for > 2 years, that's a nice piece for a building team. Especially if you plan on drafting a 1, 3 or 5 in the next year.

In addition to Philly, you have the Bobcats, Kings and Pistons all competing for the Wiggins sweepstakes. I say be the 5th or 6th worst team, take your chances with nice role players, and let the chips fall where they fall. Wiggins would be a very nice piece for a team that just drafted Alvan Adams II (i.e. Len), but Julius Randle would be just as nice with Milsap already on board.

lol

what the heck makes you think we are even as good as the Bobcats, Kings or Pistons.

Not only were 2 of those teams better than us already they also improved.

Kings got Vasquez for Evans which is a win and drafted McLemore who will be more of an instant impact player than Len.

Bobcats added Cody Zeller and Al Jefferson.

What did the Suns do? Two rookies with high potential but both projects and traded their best shooter and possibly most fundamentally sound player for another PG which has a questionable perimeter shot.

To me it looks like while we got younger and more talented our roster is more likely worse than last years. We are very likely the worst perimeter shooting team in the NBA.

And we got a rookie coach with zero experience.

 

[slinslin]

Agreed. Don't overpay. But if you can get Milsap for < $8 mil a year for > 2 years, that's a nice piece for a building team. Especially if you plan on drafting a 1, 3 or 5 in the next year.

And no, how is 28 year old tweener forward at 8M$ per season a good piece for a rebuilding team that already has 2 forwards in the same mold.

 

[Gaddabout]

And no, how is 28 year old tweener forward at 8M$ per season a good piece for a rebuilding team that already has 2 forwards in the same mold.

It's a moot point now, but Milsap is better than the two guys like him, and they're not long for this team. His PER last year was head-and-shoulders better than anyone on the Suns roster -- 19.89 to Dragic's team-best 17.5 -- at a position in which the Suns were the worst in the league. Even with his defensive liabilities, he would make the team better on that end with his defensive rebounding.

I'm one of just a handful around here operating from the philosophy that tanking is tantamount to bad karma in basketball. I don't want to be mediocre forever, but I think not trying to make the team a little more competitive sets the Suns up for being bad for a long time. Even with stars, you need talent around them and off the bench.

 

[Joe Mama]

It's a moot point now, but Milsap is better than the two guys like him, and they're not long for this team. His PER last year was head-and-shoulders better than anyone on the Suns roster -- 19.89 to Dragic's team-best 17.5 -- at a position in which the Suns were the worst in the league. Even with his defensive liabilities, he would make the team better on that end with his defensive rebounding.

I'm one of just a handful around here operating from the philosophy that tanking is tantamount to bad karma in basketball. I don't want to be mediocre forever, but I think not trying to make the team a little more competitive sets the Suns up for being bad for a long time. Even with stars, you need talent around them and off the bench.

normally I'm right there with you as far as tanking. I'm not looking for the Suns to do this year after year. I'm all for acquiring young talent with upside even if it means we may win a few more games giving us slightly worse odds at that top pick. I'm not looking for us to field a terrible roster in hopes of landing a superstar in the draft year in and year out. I just want to do it this year.

Joe