Pay attention, RG.....

[imaCafan]

Patriots | Jerod Mayo signs extension
Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:14:56 -0800

The New England Patriots have signed LB Jerod Mayo to a five-year contract extension. Financial terms were not disclosed.

 

[CardLogic]

Sadly, I have no confidence that Graves, et al, will get it right with Campbell.

First, they will give a lowball offer. Then, they will franchise tag him. And finally the following year, they will drag their feet, perhaps offer another below market contract, wait until another team makes an offer, and at the last second counter offer with similar terms, and complain that they tried but Campbell chose to sign elsewhere.

Pisses me off!

 

[speedy]

cardlogic, that is the most logic I have seen on this board yet... Consumer driven market for sure. We buy what they sell; if we keep buying it, there is no reason to stop selling it. SOLD OUT EVERY GAME since we moved to Glendale. Forget about anything ever changing until this drastically changes.

 

[AzStevenCal]

cardlogic, that is the most logic I have seen on this board yet... Consumer driven market for sure. We buy what they sell; if we keep buying it, there is no reason to stop selling it. SOLD OUT EVERY GAME since we moved to Glendale. Forget about anything ever changing until this drastically changes.

Absolutely, let's go back to the days of SDS when we showed our dissatisfaction in droves. Those sure were the good old days.

I don't think this organization has it right just yet but I can't believe there are still people who don't realize that things have changed for the better. I don't know if we'll be able to keep Calais, his value has skyrocketed. A smart Front Office would have already locked him up but teaching this franchise a lesson by calling for fans to end their support isn't the answer. We already know that Bill is willing to survive on NFL scraps if he's forced to. This franchise IS spending money, hopefully they'll eventually learn how to spend it the right way.

Steve

 

[Duckjake]

Sadly, I have no confidence that Graves, et al, will get it right with Campbell.

First, they will give a lowball offer. Then, they will franchise tag him. And finally the following year, they will drag their feet, perhaps offer another below market contract, wait until another team makes an offer, and at the last second counter offer with similar terms, and complain that they tried but Campbell chose to sign elsewhere.

Pisses me off!

Considering the contracts the Cards gave to Kolb and Bradley there is no excuse for the Cardinals not getting CC signed for several more years.

 

[PortlandCardFan]

I wonder if the Cardinal Org has money flow problems between signing periods. I mean it just doesn't make sense that they wait until the end of the season to try and sign their own FA's.

 

[Catfish]

Front Office-----Get Calais Campbell signed now. He is far too valuable to lose or let walk.

 

[Duckjake]

I wonder if the Cardinal Org has money flow problems between signing periods. I mean it just doesn't make sense that they wait until the end of the season to try and sign their own FA's.

I was told by a reliable source that prior to 2006 the reason the Cards had so many hold outs was that they didn't have the cash to pay signing bonuses until the TV money arrived in August or September. But the new stadium was supposed to fix that problem so I don't know if cash is still an issue.

 

[CardLogic]

I just remembered something that I heard on sports radio the other day - the next NFL television contracts; which come into play a couple of years from now, maybe 2014 season; will basically double the existing salary cap.

Player salaries will rise drastically. Should make it easy for a team (including the Cardinals) to be able to structure contracts in the next couple of years to pay anyone they deem worthy.

Maybe there is hope.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

How to be a GM by Rod Graves: 6 rules to live by.

Rule 1: Golf
A). join a nice country club and get set up with weekly lessons.
B). have standing tee time everyday at 10 am.

Rule 2: Dealing with the bothersome task of re-signing current players. Follow this basic mantra and you'll only have to work the first 2 weeks of March and then can call it a year:

First, give a lowball offer. Then franchise tag him. And finally the following year, drag your feet, perhaps offer another below market contract, wait until another team makes an offer, and at the last second counter offer with similar terms, and complain that you tried but (insert player name) chose to sign elsewhere.

Rule 3: The Free Agency game
A). You have to spend money somewhere. Why not randomly throw it at a player and hope they perform. Example below:

Considering the contracts the Cards gave to Porter and Bradley there is no excuse for the Cardinals not getting CC signed for several more years.

Feel free to substitute in the names of Travis LaBoy, Al Johnson, Orlando Huff, Terence Holt, Alan Faneca among others. A key hint: If you can sign a guy with a catchy nickname, like Pork Chop, do it. It makes it seem like you have really done your homework.

Rule 4: Make sure to register on the TGW.com (The Golf Warehouse) to stay informed of any last minutes sales and be able to keep up with the latest equipment changes.

Rule 5: The Draft:
A).IMPORTANT: Do not, I repeat, DO NOT waste your time watching film on college prospects. Why watch film when you can always play an emergency nine?

Rule 6: Catchphrases:
A). Learn some key catchphrases like, keeping the powder dry, wait until June 1st cuts, and build the belly of the team(you could also use the words, core player, but not reccomended until you have received your 3rd promotion) and you will have your bosses convinced, in no time, that you're on top of things and the right person for the job.

Follow these simple 6 rules and you too can be continuously promoted until finally placed in charge of all football decisions regardless of the team's on field record, or your own past performance.

 

[slanidrac16]

This should have been done weeks ago. Every week that goes by is going to cost the Cardinals more money.

Why in the world would we tag a YOUNG player? Tags may be wise if you are looking at an aging veteran and you are not sure just how much gas is left in the tank.

Does this organization not get the fact that a dollar today is going to be worth LESS in 5 years? By that I mean a player making 5m a year in the last year or next to last of his contract in 2015 will be a bargain.

Sometimes we are just utterly stupid.

 

[40yearfan]

How to be a GM by Rod Graves: 6 rules to live by.

Rule 1: Golf
A). join a nice country club and get set up with weekly lessons.
B). have standing tee time everyday at 10 am.

Rule 2: Dealing with the bothersome task of re-signing current players. Follow this basic mantra and you'll only have to work the first 2 weeks of March and then can call it a year:


Rule 3: The Free Agency game
A). You have to spend money somewhere. Why not randomly throw it at a player and hope they perform. Example below:

Feel free to substitute in the names of Travis LaBoy, Al Johnson, Orlando Huff, Terence Holt, Alan Faneca among others. A key hint: If you can sign a guy with a catchy nickname, like Pork Chop, do it. It makes it seem like you have really done your homework.

Rule 4: Make sure to register on the TGW.com (The Golf Warehouse) to stay informed of any last minutes sales and be able to keep up with the latest equipment changes.

Rule 5: The Draft:
A).IMPORTANT: Do not, I repeat, DO NOT waste your time watching film on college prospects. Why watch film when you can always play an emergency nine?

Rule 6: Catchphrases:
A). Learn some key catchphrases like, keeping the powder dry, wait until June 1st cuts, and build the belly of the team(you could also use the words, core player, but not reccomended until you have received your 3rd promotion) and you will have your bosses convinced, in no time, that you're on top of things and the right person for the job.

Follow these simple 6 rules and you too can be continuously promoted until finally placed in charge of all football decisions regardless of the team's on field record, or your own past performance.

Something I don't understand, but hear about a lot from the guys on this board. Why would you want your GM to have the final say-so on free agents and drafts (See rule 5)? You have a scouting department and a head coach to make those decisions and unless there are monetary considerations with their choices, why would the GM even get involved? All he needs to do is get the best deal he can for the club with the players as chosen by the head coach/scouting department. If you take those decisions away from the head coach, how can you fault him if the team is losing?

Any large business enterprise that you look at, the general manager only hires the front office/supervisory personnel. He delegates the hiring of subordinates to those people. I would assume the NFL uses the same business model.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Something I don't understand, but hear about a lot from the guys on this board. Why would you want your GM to have the final say-so on free agents and drafts (See rule 5)? You have a scouting department and a head coach to make those decisions and unless there are monetary considerations with their choices, why would the GM even get involved? All he needs to do is get the best deal he can for the club with the players as chosen by the head coach/scouting department. If you take those decisions away from the head coach, how can you fault him if the team is losing?

Any large business enterprise that you look at, the general manager only hires the front office/supervisory personnel. He delegates the hiring of subordinates to those people. I would assume the NFL uses the same business model.

I'm not 100% sure you are being serious because strong GM's are the final roster decision makers, period. Sure they get input from the coach and scouting department but they, at least the good ones, make informed decisions. Just to hire a staff, rely on their opinion only, and do nothing on your own is the defnition of a bad GM. Heck, any of us could do that. The sad thing is Graves probably does do what your suggesting. I guarantee Bill Polian, Ron Wolf, Ted Thompson, or any GM worth their salt doesn't.

 

[desertdawg]

I'm with 40 on this one, Graves, he's just a deal maker, and has improved his craft along the way a little bit. Basically like a agent when you buy a house, but not even that deep. You have go find what house you want, then comes Graves, he tries to get the best deal for the club, while listening to both the Bidwills and the coaching staff aka Whiz. Graves, Whiz, and the baby Bidwill have been doing a lot better at drafting, hiring, signing (sign CC today!), and even negotiating. We payed Larry some serious coin but in my eyes it was a no brainer. I do not want Graves scouting and being a part of that process, oh hell no.

 

[Stout]

I'm with 40 on this one, Graves, he's just a deal maker, and has improved his craft along the way a little bit. Basically like a agent when you buy a house, but not even that deep. You have go find what house you want, then comes Graves, he tries to get the best deal for the club, while listening to both the Bidwills and the coaching staff aka Whiz. Graves, Whiz, and the baby Bidwill have been doing a lot better at drafting, hiring, signing (sign CC today!), and even negotiating. We payed Larry some serious coin but in my eyes it was a no brainer. I do not want Graves scouting and being a part of that process, oh hell no.

And that's why we have probably the weakest and most ineffective front office in the league. Unless you have a HC/GM, which I don't like either, you MUST have a strong GM that is the LEADER of your front office. We have a yes-man that stays in the background and let's it all happen. NOT what you want in a pure GM.

 

[WildBB]

I just remembered something that I heard on sports radio the other day - the next NFL television contracts; which come into play a couple of years from now, maybe 2014 season; will basically double the existing salary cap.

Player salaries will rise drastically. Should make it easy for a team (including the Cardinals) to be able to structure contracts in the next couple of years to pay anyone they deem worthy.

Maybe there is hope.

We're talking the Cardinals here. Not the swiftest and industry leader in these matters.

 

[Cheesebeef]

even if 40 was right and the GM should really just be depending on his staff... why do the Cardinals apparently have one of the smaller staffs in football?

that being said, i don't think 40's even close to being right. a good GM IMO needs to know football, needs to watch film, needs to have final say. the NFL's not a business like any other.