Per USA Today ..... Justin Upton Being Discussed in Trade Talks!

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I'm so ok with this...

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I sure hope this is a joke. You don't get rid of a talent like Upton unless you get a crazy package in return. And I think the title of the thread is misleading. He said he was willing to listen to offers on anyone but it would be real hard to get someone like Upton or Drew. It is not like we are actively shopping Upton.
 
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I sure hope this is a joke. You don't get rid of a talent like Upton unless you get a crazy package in return. And I think the title of the thread is misleading. He said he was willing to listen to offers on anyone but it would be real hard to get someone like Upton or Drew. It is not like we are actively shopping Upton.

They might not be actively shopping Upton and Drew, but it appears they are actively listening. It appears that the door is open for a trade of one or both of these players. Also, I believe that the statement that it would be hard to trade either of these players referred to it being hard to see either one go. It was not referring to it being difficult to trade either to another team.
 

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This would be the dumbest move Towers could make. Upton is the only star caliber player on our team. Only the Dbacks would be dumb enough to trade someone with that kind of ability. Absolutely ridiculous
 

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Buehrle or Bobby Jenks for Upton???

I wouldn't make that deal if I was drunk, stoned, hooked on meth and watching an episode of "The View" all at the same time.

Kevin Towers isn't stupid and wouldn't even consider making a deal like that.

Guarantee you, in the 5 percent chance Upton does get traded, they'll be getting a SUBSTANTIAL haul back.. Needless to say, it will be a hell of a lot more than Bobby Jenks or Mark Buehrle.

I wouldn't read in to this any more though. I'm sure the Front Office is willing to listen to offers for Upton, as much as I'm sure the Reds would be willing to listen to offers for Joey Votto and the Cards offers for Pujols. Doesn't mean they're going to TRADE either though, and I sincerely doubt Upton's going anywhere unless a team empties it's farm system to get him.
 
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Buehrle or Bobby Jenks for Upton???

I wouldn't make that deal if I was drunk, stoned, hooked on meth and watching an episode of "The View" all at the same time.

Kevin Towers isn't stupid and wouldn't even consider making a deal like that.

Guarantee you, in the 5-10 percent chance Upton does get traded, they'll be getting a SUBSTANTIAL haul back.. Needless to say, it will be a hell of a lot more than Bobby Jenks or Mark Buehrle.
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I doubt we trade Upton, but I would approve of a Ellsbury/Bard/Kelly deal. The Red Sox have always been hesitant on giving up top pitching prospects so I doubt they would do it though.

Big picture I think what some people need to realize is that pitching still wins you championships. Prince Fielder and A-Rod don't bring rings - guys like Lincecum and the Big Unit do. Organizations like Tampa, Texas, Toronto and San Francisco really started drafting power arms a few years ago and now you're starting to see it pay dividends. I think Byrnes realized this but was behind the curve and his evaluations were poor.

With our bandbox of a stadium we should be able to generate enough offense without a ton of strikeout/home run machines like Upton and Reynolds. Clearly the organization feels this way, hence why they brought in Towers and a humidor.


I think the smart Red-Sox deal would be to trade Reynolds for Ellsbury. Jacoby is still pissed at the organization for the way they handled his injury, and if Crawford ends up signing there he'll be out of a position. Furthermore by acquiring Reynolds they wouldn't have to pay Beltre.
 

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They might not be actively shopping Upton and Drew, but it appears they are actively listening. It appears that the door is open for a trade of one or both of these players. Also, I believe that the statement that it would be hard to trade either of these players referred to it being hard to see either one go. It was not referring to it being difficult to trade either to another team.

I never said to shut the door on trading either. I am always saying no one is really untouchable. If someone came and offered you a crazy package you have to take it no matter who you are trading. I am just saying there is a big difference between listening and bringing his name up in trade talks.
 

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I doubt we trade Upton, but I would approve of a Ellsbury/Bard/Kelly deal. The Red Sox have always been hesitant on giving up top pitching prospects so I doubt they would do it though.

Big picture I think what some people need to realize is that pitching still wins you championships. Prince Fielder and A-Rod don't bring rings - guys like Lincecum and the Big Unit do. Organizations like Tampa, Texas, Toronto and San Francisco really started drafting power arms a few years ago and now you're starting to see it pay dividends. I think Byrnes realized this but was behind the curve and his evaluations were poor.

With our bandbox of a stadium we should be able to generate enough offense without a ton of strikeout/home run machines like Upton and Reynolds. Clearly the organization feels this way, hence why they brought in Towers and a humidor.


I think the smart Red-Sox deal would be to trade Reynolds for Ellsbury. Jacoby is still pissed at the organization for the way they handled his injury, and if Crawford ends up signing there he'll be out of a position. Furthermore by acquiring Reynolds they wouldn't have to pay Beltre.


Exactly... Besides, keeping Upton is still betting on the come. He's had some nice seasons, but, being brutally honest, he has yet to produce over the course of a full season at a level that is commensurate with all of the hype about his ability/talent-level. In fact last season, he reached a career high in K's with a whopping 152 with a mere 17 HR's and 69 RBI's. He has also yet to show any skill at becoming a leader on the team - quite the contrary IMO.
Yes, he's still young and who knows, we can trade him to a team like Boston and he might just put up 40 dingers and 110 RBI's. But then again, he might not...
All the while, we've got him and Reynolds putting up epic strikeout totals... it's a wrong recipe...
 

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Exactly... Besides, keeping Upton is still betting on the come. He's had some nice seasons, but, being brutally honest, he has yet to produce over the course of a full season at a level that is commensurate with all of the hype about his ability/talent-level. In fact last season, he reached a career high in K's with a whopping 152 with a mere 17 HR's and 69 RBI's. He has also yet to show any skill at becoming a leader on the team - quite the contrary IMO.
Yes, he's still young and who knows, we can trade him to a team like Boston and he might just put up 40 dingers and 110 RBI's. But then again, he might not...
All the while, we've got him and Reynolds putting up epic strikeout totals... it's a wrong recipe...

People always seem to forget Upton is only 23 years old. Most baseball players don't hit their prime until the mid to late 20's. Upton is still at least 2 years from his prime.
 

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People always seem to forget Upton is only 23 years old. Most baseball players don't hit their prime until the mid to late 20's. Upton is still at least 2 years from his prime.
That's a good point. And so is the feeling that Justin does too many flaky things to ever satisfy everyone as a potential true superstar. Such as careless throws in from right field.

I think another point of view is that he developed under two extremely passive Managers -- Melvin and Hinch.

We won't get a real good idea of what level Justin might reach until a Manager with leadership ability -- Kirk Gibson -- is in charge from the beginning of spring training until the final game of the season.

That will begin before we know it.

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I also think that the D'backs mis-handle potential superstars like Upton and Brandon Allen by burying them at the bottom of the batting order, where they hardly ever see good pitches to hit.

Potential heart-of-the-lineup hitters should be moved into that situation shortly after they join the team. Especially if the team is buried in last place. They waited way too long in Upton's case.

I can't forget that Melvin moved Justin to 3rd in the order and he exploded. So what did he do? Dropped him back down to 7th or 8th two games later and he went into a funk again.

Melvin didn't take advantage of his potential and he certainly didn't motivate him. If the young Justin Upton was weighed down with a "what's the use" reaction, I really couldn't blame him.
 

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That's a good point. And so is the feeling that Justin does too many flaky things to ever satisfy everyone as a potential true superstar. Such as careless throws in from right field.

I think another point of view is that he developed under two extremely passive Managers -- Melvin and Hinch.

We won't get a real good idea of what level Justin might reach until a Manager with leadership ability -- Kirk Gibson -- is in charge from the beginning of spring training until the final game of the season.

That will begin before we know it.

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I also think that the D'backs mis-handle potential superstars like Upton and Brandon Allen by burying them at the bottom of the batting order, where they hardly ever see good pitches to hit.

Potential heart-of-the-lineup hitters should be moved into that situation shortly after they join the team. Especially if the team is buried in last place. They waited way too long in Upton's case.

I can't forget that Melvin moved Justin to 3rd in the order and he exploded. So what did he do? Dropped him back down to 7th or 8th two games later and he went into a funk again.

Melvin didn't take advantage of his potential and he certainly didn't motivate him. If the young Justin Upton was weighed down with a "what's the use" reaction, I really couldn't blame him.

I agree with you to an extent. The problem with Upton was the fact he was rushed to the majors to help with the playoff push back in 2007. Melvin and Hinch were too wishy washy with their lineups which seems to screw with players. Hopefully Gibson will stick with a lineup and let the players work through their troubles.
 

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Yea but he has had 502 at bats in the bottom half of the order. That is 33% of his career at bats, which is way too many.
OK, but if batting order is so important then why did he do so much better in 2009 than 2010 when in 2009 he got much more time batting 5th-9th?
 

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