Pete Carroll Interview

[Harry]

Just watched him in a Fox interview. He explained how critical it was for him to keep Geno Smith emotionally centered and under control. He has an in game gesture he uses with Smith to remind him, as Smith can be volatile. I contrast that with Kingsbury’s typically in-game detachment. He just seems too aloof to me. I think you have to try to get hands on with Murray. Smith needed to learn to accept that and what a change. If Murray can’t accept change that needs to be established now!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Just watched him in a Fox interview. He explained how critical it was for him to keep Geno Smith emotionally centered and under control. He has an in game gesture he uses with Smith to remind him, as Smith can be volatile. I contrast that with Kingsbury’s typically in-game detachment. He just seems too aloof to me. I think you have to try to get hands on with Murray. Smith needed to learn to accept that and what a change. If Murray can’t accept change that needs to be established now!

Yup. A good coach knows his players, what makes them tick, how to adjust to them, and how to minimize/control their poor traits.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Kliff is a deer in headlights even when we were winning. The guy just doesn’t have the chops to be a successful head coach. It’s nothing to be ashamed about, it’s a tremendously difficult job.

Carroll like all other winning coaches their teams simply play a certain way and that consistency and culture keeps teams afloat when the talent isn’t there and wins when they have the horses. This is what Bidwill and Bluto didn’t get when they hired Kliff. They thought it was drawing lines on a piece of paper that won games. Culture > play design.

 

[schutd]

Though we don't know context, Murray's "calm the F down!" blow up at KK could have been a couple of things. It could have been a reaction to KK giving him the business, or it could have been Murray feeling like he needed to reign in a melting coach who wasnt able to get plays called oin on time, and was in a panic. If the second is true, then its possible Murray felt he was bearing the burden of dragging his coach along with him. Perhaps a strong, mindful coach, who actually has something to offer Murray (like Carroll to Smith) might help this young player very much.

We'll never know for sure, but I have never seen enough intensity, while still being calm cool and collected from KK to make me think Murray had much respect for him. Regardless of how you feel about either one, or who who tend to lay more blame on for this debacle, the pairing has always felt tenuous to me, and was obviously at a breaking point this season.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Though we don't know context, Murray's "calm the F down!" blow up at KK could have been a couple of things. It could have been a reaction to KK giving him the business, or it could have been Murray feeling like he needed to reign in a melting coach who wasnt able to get plays called oin on time, and was in a panic. If the second is true, then its possible Murray felt he was bearing the burden of dragging his coach along with him. Perhaps a strong, mindful coach, who actually has something to offer Murray (like Carroll to Smith) might help this young player very much.

We'll never know for sure, but I have never seen enough intensity, while still being calm cool and collected from KK to make me think Murray had much respect for him. Regardless of how you feel about either one, or who who tend to lay more blame on for this debacle, the pairing has always felt tenuous to me, and was obviously at a breaking point this season.

Anyone really think Kliff has the mental fortitude to coach a team through a 3-4 game playoff grind?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Anyone really think Kliff has the mental fortitude to coach a team through a 3-4 game playoff grind?

I think this is a big part of why I'd like to move on from K2.

After watching him for four seasons, I just don't have any confidence that he can coach an NFL team to a championship. I feel pretty confident that at some point during a playoff run, he would make some kind of time-management/strategy/play-calling blunder that would cost the team the game. Like there's about a 90% chance something like that would happen.

Of course he's not a terrible person or anything like that and I wish him the best in the future as long as he's not coaching against us (funny joke!). Like @kerouac9 has said before, you can't blame him for taking this opportunity even though he had little realistic chance of succeeding.

The 10-2 thing was a mirage. We were living off of forced fumbles and kickers missing 37 yarders against us.

 

[az jam]

I just want to see Murray under a quality HC and Kk was not one.

 

[kerouac9]

Sideline demeanor is the dumbest thing fans complain about with coaches. We only see the smallest sliver of what Kliff is doing during the three-plus hours of game action.

I’m more surprised that is looks like Kliff, Cam Turner, and Spencer Whipple are all on the sidelines at games. What is the highest-ranking coach watching things unfold from the booth?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Sideline demeanor is the dumbest thing fans complain about with coaches. We only see the smallest sliver of what Kliff is doing during the three-plus hours of game action.

I’m more surprised that is looks like Kliff, Cam Turner, and Spencer Whipple are all on the sidelines at games. What is the highest-ranking coach watching things unfold from the booth?

While your first paragraph is true, it is also applicable to literally every coach, player, exec, owner. But, we have a few other items we can factor into the equation with kliff in constructing his likely demeanor:

A) the consistency of the glimpses we get. It’s almost invariably a deer in the headlights or downtrodden befuddled look.

B) We had Hard Knocks now to see him in the lockerroom and the team meetings and coaching snippets. And interviews as week in his house. I can pretty confidently state he wasn’t impressive in anything. He isn’t charismatic. He’s not a dynamic speaker. He doesn’t come off as smart, tough, or even natural.

C) We consistently seen coaching management issues that call into question whether he is prepared or is panicking, which in my mind suggest what his demeanor is likely actually like.

So do we know definitively what his demeanor is like? Of course not. Can we hypothesize within a reasonable range? I think so.

And man you raise a great point in your second paragraph. Who are our eyes in sky?!? I hadn’t ever thought of that with kliff’s being our OC.

 

[kerouac9]

While your first paragraph is true, it is also applicable to literally every coach, player, exec, owner. But, we have a few other items we can factor into the equation with kliff in constructing his likely demeanor:

A) the consistency of the glimpses we get. It’s almost invariably a deer in the headlights or downtrodden befuddled look.

B) We had Hard Knocks now to see him in the lockerroom and the team meetings and coaching snippets. And interviews as week in his house. I can pretty confidently state he wasn’t impressive in anything. He isn’t charismatic. He’s not a dynamic speaker. He doesn’t come off as smart, tough, or even natural.

C) We consistently seen coaching management issues that call into question whether he is prepared or is panicking, which in my mind suggest what his demeanor is likely actually like.

So do we know definitively what his demeanor is like? Of course not. Can we hypothesize within a reasonable range? I think so.

And man you raise a great point in your second paragraph. Who are our eyes in sky?!? I hadn’t ever thought of that with kliff’s being our OC.

All I’m saying is sideline demeanor is the least of Kliff’s problems—I don’t think people are using it as a synecdoche for the entire problematic leadership aspect of the Kingsbury regime. It’s something that Harry has harped on weirdly for the past several years.

The difference between calm and not-caring is about 2 games over .500. If Kliff fixed the huddle/personnel switch, smoothed out the two-minute offense, found a way to complete 1-2 more 20+ yard passes a game, and all the other basic competencies we talk about every week, sideline demeanor would not matter.

 

[Harry]

I think demeanor is oversimplification, especially when you have no OC. Carroll doesn’t deliver long speeches, he has a simple gesture to grab Smith’s attention. Who is in charge of refocusing Murray when he’s gesticulating in frustration?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

All I’m saying is sideline demeanor is the least of Kliff’s problems—I don’t think people are using it as a synecdoche for the entire problematic leadership aspect of the Kingsbury regime. It’s something that Harry has harped on weirdly for the past several years.

The difference between calm and not-caring is about 2 games over .500. If Kliff fixed the huddle/personnel switch, smoothed out the two-minute offense, found a way to complete 1-2 more 20+ yard passes a game, and all the other basic competencies we talk about every week, sideline demeanor would not matter.

Got it

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

All I’m saying is sideline demeanor is the least of Kliff’s problems—I don’t think people are using it as a synecdoche for the entire problematic leadership aspect of the Kingsbury regime. It’s something that Harry has harped on weirdly for the past several years.

The difference between calm and not-caring is about 2 games over .500. If Kliff fixed the huddle/personnel switch, smoothed out the two-minute offense, found a way to complete 1-2 more 20+ yard passes a game, and all the other basic competencies we talk about every week, sideline demeanor would not matter.

The guy could wear a clown mask on the sidelines for all I care if his teams had any sort of discipline, motivation, attitude, and organization.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Yup. A good coach knows his players, what makes them tick, how to adjust to them, and how to minimize/control their poor traits.

This is the absolute most important part of coaching and, imo, Kliff’s biggest fault.