Peter King is a loser

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

specious

good word

 

[Redsz]

It's all good. Sportsline has us ranked #13. So it balances out.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/rankings/ARI

They've added a lot of good football players to a team that had talent to begin with. They just might be the best team in the NFC West.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm putting us at 34th until we actually do something. Right behind the Clippers and Corona del Sol Aztecs.

aztecs use the juice. at least they did in 1985 when i was at john coopers' sun angle camp with them and they all had these massive heads, blown up bodies, and no brains.

 

[Gambit]

I'm personally predicting 5-11 again, so until the Cards actually do something on the field, this is exactly what they deserve on paper....

Jeez! Is this deja vu, or something? This is the SAME argument we have on the board EVERY year about this time....

There is comfort in tradition. And yet they also say that familiarity breeds contempt.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

aztecs use the juice. at least they did in 1985 when i was at john coopers' sun angle camp with them and they all had these massive heads, blown up bodies, and no brains.

Wow - Really since 1985? I graduated in 99. Its good to see that level of a commitment to excellence is in place there at the corner of Knox Rd and Rural.

Maybe thats who Barry was getting the cream and the clear from back in his Sun Devil days. Leave it to my Aztecs to changethe historical context of our national past time through illicit means.

 

[Stout]

30th is harsh, but where have we finished the last 10 seasons?

I'm just saying that any list that has us at the bottom with the Lions half a league ahead of us is ********.

 

[nathan]

Bump for: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/08/28/1to100/index.html?bcnn=yes

124. Jon Kitna QB, Lions
135. Anquan Boldin WR, Cardinals
Enough said.

Here's the rest of the Cardinals:
27. Adrian Wilson SS, Cardinals
58. Larry Fitzgerald WR, Cardinals
99. Matt Leinart QB, Cardinals
216. Karlos Dansby LB, Cardinals
225. Edgerrin James RB, Cardinals
262. Kurt Warner QB, Cardinals
285. Deuce Lutui G, Cardinals
335. Darnell Dockett DT, Cardinals
362. Levi Brown T, Cardinals
379. Antrel Rolle CB, Cardinals
414. Bertrand Berry DE, Cardinals
432. Neil Rackers K, Cardinals
486. Chike Okeafor DE, Cardinals

 

[conraddobler]

You know these things are fun to read but every year they're wrong.

They pick some team to be great that ends up in the dog pile and every year a team or two suprises people.

When they stop picking your team to surprise people then you have a shot at surprising people.

 

[D-Dogg]

I don't care for the guy, and I have a special hatred for Sports Illustrated for reasons I'm not even going to start to explain here.

That said, until our team manages to finish a season with a winning record, I wouldn't object to every one of these pundits anchoring our team with the rank of 32, all year, every year. Just give us a permanent spot at 32 until we earn our way out of it. What would be the difference? I can't generate any anger anymore for anyone that doesn't believe. No matter who we hire, what we spend, who we bring in, its going to take proof before belief at this point. Don't sing it Chico, Bring it! My motto for these Cardinals from now on, until we see some consistent winning.

Well, since we've never actually been the worst team in the league, that' wouldn't be accurate.

So 30 is good. I guess. King is an idiot though.

 

[D-Dogg]

Bump for: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/08/28/1to100/index.html?bcnn=yes

124. Jon Kitna QB, Lions
135. Anquan Boldin WR, Cardinals
Enough said.

OMG

 

[40yearfan]

Yeah, I was listening to Dale Hellestrae on the way home from work and he was beside himself about this. He said Boldin should at least be in the top 30.

 

[az1965]

Bump for: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/08/28/1to100/index.html?bcnn=yes

124. Jon Kitna QB, Lions
135. Anquan Boldin WR, Cardinals
Enough said.

This is a feakin' joke...

 

[Pariah]

In fairness, he did say QBs were weighted as were a bunch of other positions...WR wasn't one of them.

Still, Q is far to low.

 

[kerouac9]

Yeah, I was listening to Dale Hellestrae on the way home from work and he was beside himself about this. He said Boldin should at least be in the top 30.

In all honesty, that's easy to say until you actually start getting into the brass tacks of the thing. We can quibble about whether Anquan's a Top 10 or Top 5 wideout. But there are 22 positions on a football field--they're not all equally important. But surely an elite DE, elite CB, elite QB, and elite RB are all more valuable to a franchise than an elite WR. You could probably throw an elite OT in there as well. Those are 5 positions where the top 5 players are probably more valueable than even the best WR: 25 positions.

Then you have to ask yourself if Anquan's really better than Steve Smith, Torry Holt, and Marvin Harrison. I think even among Cardinal fans, the answer would be no. That's another 3 positions.

Don't forget places where the position isn't necessarily marquee, but where the players are. Can anyone really say that Anquan is more valueable to the "success" of a 5-10 team than Brian Urlacher is to a Super Bowl team? Than Bob Sanders was to a team whose defense improbably managed a quantum leap on his return? Than Casey Hampton is to making the Pittsburgh defense go? Say another 5 positions around the league.

And then there are the guys who are in gentle decline but are among the best in history at their positions. Like Ray Lewis and Larry Allen and Steve Hutchinson. Maybe another 4 spots.

Suddenly, you're in the mid-30s before Q even comes into the equation.

I put together a ranking of the top 25 players (maybe it was 50, I don't remember) around the NFL. I legitimately could not find a place for Anquan or Larry Fitzgerald on the list. You say that you don't watch or follow the NFL outside of the Cardinals. There are a ton of good players in the NFL.

Personally, I feel that Anquan probably deserves to be in the Top 100, but making lists like this is a herculean task that is ultimately pointless. Who's better: Julius Peppers, Shaun Alexander, or Champ Bailey? That's a question that's impossible to answer.

I think that Anquan needs to score more touchdowns if he wants more respect around the league.

 

[clif]

In all honesty, that's easy to say until you actually start getting into the brass tacks of the thing. We can quibble about whether Anquan's a Top 10 or Top 5 wideout. But there are 22 positions on a football field--they're not all equally important. But surely an elite DE, elite CB, elite QB, and elite RB are all more valuable to a franchise than an elite WR. You could probably throw an elite OT in there as well. Those are 5 positions where the top 5 players are probably more valueable than even the best WR: 25 positions.

Then you have to ask yourself if Anquan's really better than Steve Smith, Torry Holt, and Marvin Harrison. I think even among Cardinal fans, the answer would be no. That's another 3 positions.

Don't forget places where the position isn't necessarily marquee, but where the players are. Can anyone really say that Anquan is more valueable to the "success" of a 5-10 team than Brian Urlacher is to a Super Bowl team? Than Bob Sanders was to a team whose defense improbably managed a quantum leap on his return? Than Casey Hampton is to making the Pittsburgh defense go? Say another 5 positions around the league.

And then there are the guys who are in gentle decline but are among the best in history at their positions. Like Ray Lewis and Larry Allen and Steve Hutchinson. Maybe another 4 spots.

Suddenly, you're in the mid-30s before Q even comes into the equation.

I put together a ranking of the top 25 players (maybe it was 50, I don't remember) around the NFL. I legitimately could not find a place for Anquan or Larry Fitzgerald on the list. You say that you don't watch or follow the NFL outside of the Cardinals. There are a ton of good players in the NFL.

Personally, I feel that Anquan probably deserves to be in the Top 100, but making lists like this is a herculean task that is ultimately pointless. Who's better: Julius Peppers, Shaun Alexander, or Champ Bailey? That's a question that's impossible to answer.

I think that Anquan needs to score more touchdowns if he wants more respect around the league.

All that is fine and dandy until you see that Calvin Johnson is listed at #63

 

[40yearfan]

In all honesty, that's easy to say until you actually start getting into the brass tacks of the thing. We can quibble about whether Anquan's a Top 10 or Top 5 wideout. But there are 22 positions on a football field--they're not all equally important. But surely an elite DE, elite CB, elite QB, and elite RB are all more valuable to a franchise than an elite WR. You could probably throw an elite OT in there as well. Those are 5 positions where the top 5 players are probably more valueable than even the best WR: 25 positions.

Then you have to ask yourself if Anquan's really better than Steve Smith, Torry Holt, and Marvin Harrison. I think even among Cardinal fans, the answer would be no. That's another 3 positions.

Don't forget places where the position isn't necessarily marquee, but where the players are. Can anyone really say that Anquan is more valueable to the "success" of a 5-10 team than Brian Urlacher is to a Super Bowl team? Than Bob Sanders was to a team whose defense improbably managed a quantum leap on his return? Than Casey Hampton is to making the Pittsburgh defense go? Say another 5 positions around the league.

And then there are the guys who are in gentle decline but are among the best in history at their positions. Like Ray Lewis and Larry Allen and Steve Hutchinson. Maybe another 4 spots.

Suddenly, you're in the mid-30s before Q even comes into the equation.

I put together a ranking of the top 25 players (maybe it was 50, I don't remember) around the NFL. I legitimately could not find a place for Anquan or Larry Fitzgerald on the list. You say that you don't watch or follow the NFL outside of the Cardinals. There are a ton of good players in the NFL.

Personally, I feel that Anquan probably deserves to be in the Top 100, but making lists like this is a herculean task that is ultimately pointless. Who's better: Julius Peppers, Shaun Alexander, or Champ Bailey? That's a question that's impossible to answer.

I think that Anquan needs to score more touchdowns if he wants more respect around the league.

K9, why don't you call Dale and tell him that. He's the one who said it. All I did was repeat his comment.

BTW, make sure it's an email or a phone call. He's kinda big when you are trying to argue with him in person.

 

[Pariah]

In all honesty, that's easy to say until you actually start getting into the brass tacks of the thing. We can quibble about whether Anquan's a Top 10 or Top 5 wideout. But there are 22 positions on a football field--they're not all equally important. But surely an elite DE, elite CB, elite QB, and elite RB are all more valuable to a franchise than an elite WR.

The problem I have with it is that Fitz and Boldin are largely regarded as 1a and 1b on this squad...is there really a 75 player difference between the two? I don't think so.

 

[kerouac9]

All that is fine and dandy until you see that Calvin Johnson is listed at #63

No, I agree. Calvin Johnson is massively overrated, IMO. But I haven't really ever seen him play besides highlights. He's certainly not burning the preseason to the ground.

For those who care, this is the Top 50 players list that I put together this summer. Really, it's an exercise in arbitrariness.

The only other thing that I could possibly add is that as I remember, SI's list is a "Player Value Ranking," right? Which would overvalue guys like Brady and Manning because they're irreplacable and their teams could go from title contenders to lottery teams without them. But you can replace 60-70% of Anquan's production with Bryant Johnson. You can't replace his attitude and leadership, but you can replace his production.

I'd guess that would be the main reason that he's so low. As duckjake says, 5-11 with him, 5-11 without him.

 

[D-Dogg]

All that is fine and dandy until you see that Calvin Johnson is listed at #63

Wtf is that about? Nary a snap. Let's revisit when he doesn't put up rookie records.

 

[Duckjake]

are all more valuable to a franchise than an elite WR.

Here's some support for your argument.

The Cars have had numerous elite WRs and they've never won anything since they lost their elite Head Coach.

In fact WR is about the only position where the Cars have been consistently successful over the years.

Sonny Randle to Bobby Joe Conrad to John Gilliam to Mel Gray to Pat Tilley to Roy Green, to Rob Moore to David Boston to Boldin and Fitz.

Plus the Cars traded away Ahmad Rashad.

PS: It's 7-9 now not 5-11.

 

[40yearfan]

Here's some support for your argument.

The Cars have had numerous elite WRs and they've never won anything since they lost their elite Head Coach.

In fact WR is about the only position where the Cars have been consistently successful over the years.

Sonny Randle to Bobby Joe Conrad to John Gilliam to Mel Gray to Pat Tilley to Roy Green, to Rob Moore to David Boston to Boldin and Fitz.

Plus the Cars traded away Ahmad Rashad.

PS: It's 7-9 now not 5-11.

He'll always be Bobby Joe Conrad to me.

 

[Duckjake]

He'll always be Bobby Moore to me.

ftfy

Bobby Joe Conrad btw is the reason I'm a Carinal fan. My favorite player when I was a kid.

 

[cardsfanmd]

ftfy

Bobby Joe Conrad btw is the reason I'm a Carinal fan. My favorite player when I was a kid.

Who the hell are these Carinals I keep hearing about?

 

[Gambit]

Wtf is that about? Nary a snap. Let's revisit when he doesn't put up rookie records.

Jacoby Jones of the Texans may end up the OROY. That kid is fun to watch.

 

[Duckjake]

Who the hell are these Carinals I keep hearing about?

It's the NFL team in Arizona, but this year "we ain't got no D".