Peterson - a big puss

[Mitch]

What I don’t get is why are you guys going after PP21 this season? I mean, nothing has really changed from his rookie year except being elite in coverage. This all-of-a-sudden bashing from some is just odd.

Nothing has changed from his rookie year? How about 4 TDs in punt returns? How about at least making an effort to tackle in run support? It's his total avoidance of contact while playing a contact sport...and the embarrassing lack of effort he puts on tape game after game that are tarnishing his image. Teams game plan to run at Peterson and to throw screens to his side. This is a team captain we are talking about. When other players on the team see him dogging it out there and running away from plays, what message does that send to his teammates?

This a game that requires maximum effort. It's not a game of two hand touch.

Peterson's image has taken a hit the past couple of years, because too often cameras are focused on him after plays in which he dogs it. He was the #8 CB in Pro Bowl votes this year---why? By talent he should be in the top 3...but he's not. To make it to the HOF he will need the votes and right now his star appeal is diminishing.

 

[Mitch]

PP is the least of the problems on this team. I'd take PP 2.0 on the other side if he could be found. No player is perfect but I would guess that getting rid of PP would lead to a lot of moaning about the wide open guys running down the field all game long where he used to be.

Peterson's problems are at the crux of the team's problems. This is a talented roster that has underachieved through inconsistent effort and maddeningly poor STs play.

 

[Buckybird]

Nothing has changed from his rookie year? How about 4 TDs in punt returns? How about at least making an effort to tackle in run support? It's his total avoidance of contact while playing a contact sport...and the embarrassing lack of effort he puts on tape game after game that are tarnishing his image. Teams game plan to run at Peterson and to throw screens to his side. This is a team captain we are talking about. When other players on the team see him dogging it out there and running away from plays, what message does that send to his teammates?

This a game that requires maximum effort. It's not a game of two hand touch.

Peterson's image has taken a hit the past couple of years, because too often cameras are focused on him after plays in which he dogs it. He was the #8 CB in Pro Bowl votes this year---why? By talent he should be in the top 3...but he's not. To make it to the HOF he will need the votes and right now his star appeal is diminishing.

 

[Buckybird]

Nope. No I cannot. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.

Can you honestly say you know what his limitations are as an athlete? He is a cornerback, not a god. To be fair, if Peterson played up to the expectations that are made on this board, we would be arguing if Peterson was the best football player of all time.

Maybe this is the maximum effort he can give, year in, year out, game in, game out. Maybe he makes "business decisions" and shies away from some situations. Maybe the coaches are the ones telling him not to put himself in jeopardy unless it is worth the risk (just like you see Fitzgerald do at times).

I do not know. It would be just as much speculation if I say he does, as if I said he didn't.

People & fans can not like Peterson, that is their opinion, and right. No doubt.

Beyond personal preference, it seems like the argument is if Peterson is even a top 5 cornerback in the league as of right now. That is a hard argument, at least to me, to say he is not.

As for the Hall of Fame talk, that really doesn't matter much. This board has no say in that, and Peterson going to the HOF will be out of the hands of this board. Deion Sanders got in, and he didn't tackle a blade of grass while he played, so I think Peterson will get in.

There’s no doubt in his abilities especially in coverage. I think you’re right his making “business decisions” & trying not to get hurt. In turn he’s cheating his team, the fans & his coaches.

I’m sorry but I can’t even compare Fitz & PP as far as heart, desire & giving it his all. Fitz has put this team on his back many times & willed them to victory with his play on the field. Sure there’s more opportunities, but rarely have I ever seen #11 give less than 100% effort, especially on a play that mattered. I’d be willing to say in SB 43 on the INT before the half if that was PP trying race down Harrison instead of Larry, we would’ve never seen that effort to tackle him. I know pure speculation.

Again I don’t question the talent, I question his heart! Good convo though brotha. Some people like vanilla some like chocolate lol

 

[DVontel]

Nothing has changed from his rookie year? How about 4 TDs in punt returns? How about at least making an effort to tackle in run support? It's his total avoidance of contact while playing a contact sport...and the embarrassing lack of effort he puts on tape game after game that are tarnishing his image. Teams game plan to run at Peterson and to throw screens to his side. This is a team captain we are talking about. When other players on the team see him dogging it out there and running away from plays, what message does that send to his teammates?

This a game that requires maximum effort. It's not a game of two hand touch.

Peterson's image has taken a hit the past couple of years, because too often cameras are focused on him after plays in which he dogs it. He was the #8 CB in Pro Bowl votes this year---why? By talent he should be in the top 3...but he's not. To make it to the HOF he will need the votes and right now his star appeal is diminishing.

I’m not talking about what he does on STs, I’m talking about not being the best tackler. Nothing has changed about the way he tackles or his “lack” of tackling. Nothing. You slandering him daily this past season for that reason out of no where is just odd.

He should be top 3? It would be a hard case to make to say Jalen Ramsey, Marshon Lattimore, & Darius Slay weren't top 3 CBs this year. None of it having to do with tackling.

Peterson’s image has only taken a hit by YOU, Mitch. You over-exaggerate just like how you over-exaggerated about how Fitz obviously sarcastically tweeting about not practicing was an “embarrassment” to the NFL. Peterson is still recognized as one of the top CBs in the NFL. By casuals & football nerds.

 

[Mitch]

I’m not talking about what he does on STs, I’m talking about not being the best tackler. Nothing has changed about the way he tackles or his “lack” of tackling. Nothing. You slandering him daily this past season for that reason out of no where is just odd.

He should be top 3? It would be a hard case to make to say Jalen Ramsey, Marshon Lattimore, & Darius Slay weren't top 3 CBs this year. None of it having to do with tackling.

Peterson’s image has only taken a hit by YOU, Mitch. You over-exaggerate just like how you over-exaggerated about how Fitz obviously sarcastically tweeting about not practicing was an “embarrassment” to the NFL. Peterson is still recognized as one of the top CBs in the NFL. By casuals & football nerds.

If you think I am the only one who has this concern about Peterson, go to the ROTB and the azcardinals' websites---fans there are equally concerned by the lack of effort.

Jalen Ramsey: 63 tackles, 4 ints.
Marshon Lattimore: 52 tackles, 5 ints.
Darius Slay: 60 tackles, 8 ints.
Patrick Peterson: 34 tackles, 1 int.

None of it has to do with tackling? As they say on ESPN, "C'mon man!"

 

[wa52lz]

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Peterson's image has taken a hit the past couple of years, because too often cameras are focused on him after plays in which he dogs it. He was the #8 CB in Pro Bowl votes this year---why? By talent he should be in the top 3...but he's not. To make it to the HOF he will need the votes and right now his star appeal is diminishing.[/QUOTE]

Maybe his image with fans has taken a hit, but if we are looking at how he is "voted on" lets look at his results from the NFL Top 100 as voted by his peers.

2017 #19 best player #1 CB

2016 #18 #2 CB to Norman, who was unrated the year before and fell to the 6th rated CB in 2017

2015 #19 #3 CB behind Sherman and Revis

2014 #22 #2 CB behind Sherman

2013 #33 #1 CB

2012 #55 #4 CB behind Baily, Woodson and Revis

2011 Unrated

For Comparison here are Sherman's rankings, a player that puts up the numbers and has received a lot more publicity over the years then PP, while being asked to do a lot less then PP.
2011 Unrated
2012 Unrated
2013 #3
2014 #1
2015 #1
2016 #3
2017 #2

Peterson has been ranked top 3 by his peers for the last 5yrs. I'm willing to bet any amount that his peers will rate him higher then the #8 CB, and most likely top 3, after this season.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

There’s no doubt in his abilities especially in coverage. I think you’re right his making “business decisions” & trying not to get hurt. In turn he’s cheating his team, the fans & his coaches.

I’m sorry but I can’t even compare Fitz & PP as far as heart, desire & giving it his all. Fitz has put this team on his back many times & willed them to victory with his play on the field. Sure there’s more opportunities, but rarely have I ever seen #11 give less than 100% effort, especially on a play that mattered. I’d be willing to say in SB 43 on the INT before the half if that was PP trying race down Harrison instead of Larry, we would’ve never seen that effort to tackle him. I know pure speculation.

Again I don’t question the talent, I question his heart! Good convo though brotha. Some people like vanilla some like chocolate lol

So when Fitzgerald takes a dive to avoid contact, its heart. When Peterson does it, he is selfish ?

Would Peterson being cheating his team, the fans and the coaches when injured on the sideline ?

I have seen Fitzgerald break tackles before and make a play, every dive he is cheating his team of that extra effort, using this type of logic.


I see two elite players in Fitzgerald, and Peterson doing what they need to, to stay on the field. There is a difference between amateur and professional sports. As little as 5 years ago, I would agree with the 100% or nothing type thinking. But, the Cardinals have had two seasons where the team and the goals were de-railed by injuries. We have seen Mathieu's entire career derailed by injuries that occurred during the most meaningless of times in the game, making an effort that would have resulted in 5 extra yard max.

And yes, a very good conversation. The point you have above is valid, no doubt, just not one I personally believe in anymore in the NFL. And the subject of an athlete's "heart" or "drive" is in the eye of the beholder, and relative to the discussion. So, as you said chocolate and vanilla.

 

[Mitch]

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Peterson's image has taken a hit the past couple of years, because too often cameras are focused on him after plays in which he dogs it. He was the #8 CB in Pro Bowl votes this year---why? By talent he should be in the top 3...but he's not. To make it to the HOF he will need the votes and right now his star appeal is diminishing.

Maybe his image with fans has taken a hit, but if we are looking at how he is "voted on" lets look at his results from the NFL Top 100 as voted by his peers.

2017 #19 best player #1 CB

2016 #18 #2 CB to Norman, who was unrated the year before and fell to the 6th rated CB in 2017

2015 #19 #3 CB behind Sherman and Revis

2014 #22 #2 CB behind Sherman

2013 #33 #1 CB

2012 #55 #4 CB behind Baily, Woodson and Revis

2011 Unrated

For Comparison here are Sherman's rankings, a player that puts up the numbers and has received a lot more publicity over the years then PP, while being asked to do a lot less then PP.
2011 Unrated
2012 Unrated
2013 #3
2014 #1
2015 #1
2016 #3
2017 #2

Peterson has been ranked top 3 by his peers for the last 5yrs. I'm willing to bet any amount that his peers will rate him higher then the #8 CB, and most likely top 3, after this season.[/QUOTE]
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100% correct and well documented, wa52! Opposing WRs often claim Peterson is the best cover CB they've faced.

 

[Mitch]

Fitz is the toughest player on the team. Peterson is the softest.

 

[TRW]

Peterson's problems are at the crux of the team's problems. This is a talented roster that has underachieved through inconsistent effort and maddeningly poor STs play.

I don't see the roster as talented as you appear to. Even if healthy they were probably 9-7 and either out of the playoffs or a one and done in them. It is roster that got old, injured and had gaping holes on the offensive line and receiving corps. The Not So Special Teams poor play was not solely because of PP.

I can agree with part of your criticism of PP but don't see HIM as the crux of the team's problems. We can agree to disagree on that I think

I'd still rather have PP, warts and all, than just about any other CB in the league.

 

[DVontel]

If you think I am the only one who has this concern about Peterson, go to the ROTB and the azcardinals' websites---fans there are equally concerned by the lack of effort.

Jalen Ramsey: 63 tackles, 4 ints.
Marshon Lattimore: 52 tackles, 5 ints.
Darius Slay: 60 tackles, 8 ints.
Patrick Peterson: 34 tackles, 1 int.

None of it has to do with tackling? As they say on ESPN, "C'mon man!"

I visit both frequently.

If it had to do with tackling, Talib nor Hayward wouldn’t have made the Pro Bowl, either.

 

[Mitch]

I don't see the roster as talented as you appear to. Even if healthy they were probably 9-7 and either out of the playoffs or a one and done in them. It is roster that got old, injured and had gaping holes on the offensive line and receiving corps. The Not So Special Teams poor play was not solely because of PP.

I can agree with part of your criticism of PP but don't see HIM as the crux of the team's problems. We can agree to disagree on that I think

I'd still rather have PP, warts and all, than just about any other CB in the league.

I still want PP too, only with a coach who will help improve his warts. Fundamental tackling for an athlete like Peterson is not hard and it's not risky of you do it correctly.

No---STs was not solely PP's fault---but this is my concern, team-wise. When a captain dogs it on STs, what does that tell the rest of the team about STs and what kind of a priority it is?

BTW---I said PP is "at the crux"...I did not say he "is the crux"...not at all. He gives his all in man coverage and he's great at it. But, every team needs to play zone for time to time and every defender has to play run support.

TRW---I think we will see just how talented this roster is next year. I think it might surprise people. But, you might be right.

 

[TRW]

I still want PP too, only with a coach who will help improve his warts. Fundamental tackling for an athlete like Peterson is not hard and it's not risky of you do it correctly.

No---STs was not solely PP's fault---but this is my concern, team-wise. When a captain dogs it on STs, what does that tell the rest of the team about STs and what kind of a priority it is?

BTW---I said PP is "at the crux"...I did not say he "is the crux"...not at all. He gives his all in man coverage and he's great at it. But, every team needs to play zone for time to time and every defender has to play run support.

TRW---I think we will see just how talented this roster is next year. I think it might surprise people. But, you might be right.

Yeah, after I posted I realized that I didn't couch my response properly on that, I think the "crux" was the coaching schemes at times that caused that issue.

I hope they can upgrade with some young players and stay away from the AARP members they have brought in. Gotta get some youth and SPEED in there.

 

[Mitch]

I visit both frequently. No they’re not, Mitch. Please stop lying.

If it had to do with tackling, Talib nor Hayward wouldn’t have made the Pro Bowl, either.

By mitchaz on Dec 17, 2017 | Reply

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   Patrick Peterson:
   
   * Very poor efforts on both TDs—(1) when playing a WR like Crowder in the slot on the goal-line, the first thing a CB cannot do is lose leverage and let the WR cross his face—PP gave it up badly and way too easily—then, as PP tends to do when he gets beat, he slips—even worse, he didn’t even try to get up quickly—he basically quit on the play, as he did last week when he complained to the refs while his man was running with the ball. (2) with the Cardinals playing zone, the Redskins called a screen to PP’s side where he has the flat (been saying for a long time that teams know to run screens to PP’s side, because they know he will panic and take himself out of the play—which is exactly what he did—when a CB is playing the flat in zone coverage—and no WR or TE is in his zone, he has the luxury of being able to read the screen and bust it before the RB can get any speed going—the play is coming right at PP—but he inexplicably backpedals with no receiver to cover, then, when he sees the screen coming his way and sees the tackle coming for him, instead of juking and out-quicking the tackle or at least breaking down to then make a move to get to the RB, he does what he always does in that situation, he panics and runs away from the play (almost out of bounds), not toward it.
   
   
   
   
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[RugbyMuffin]

I’m not talking about what he does on STs, I’m talking about not being the best tackler. Nothing has changed about the way he tackles or his “lack” of tackling. Nothing. You slandering him daily this past season for that reason out of no where is just odd.

He should be top 3? It would be a hard case to make to say Jalen Ramsey, Marshon Lattimore, & Darius Slay weren't top 3 CBs this year. None of it having to do with tackling.

Peterson’s image has only taken a hit by YOU, Mitch. You over-exaggerate just like how you over-exaggerated about how Fitz obviously sarcastically tweeting about not practicing was an “embarrassment” to the NFL. Peterson is still recognized as one of the top CBs in the NFL. By casuals & football nerds.

Don't use the tackle stats on NFL.com. They are just an inflated stat. Nothing to see there.

At least that is what I was told last year when Peterson's tackles were on par with the rest of the top cornerbacks in the league......or has that now changed since Peterson's tackles are down this year ?

 

[Chopper0080]

I would rather have Patrick Peterson be a poor tackler and play 16 games per season than be a great tackler and risk a concussion or shoulder injury.

It is the same with Fitz. I trust Fitz to determine when he needs to put his body on the line and when he needs to protect himself, and he sure as hell makes those decisions on a play by play basis.

Mitch could make the same argument against Russell Wilson as he makes with Patrick Peterson. Wilson consistently makes decisions and gives up yards to protect himself. Where I differ is that I am willing to trust Peterson/Wilson to make that decision in the moment.

In regards to Peterson being one of the best CBs in the game today...he is, and has been for years now. PFF shows him being the 49 best CB which is laughable, but if you want to go that route, their manufactured rankings are your best argument.

 

[DVontel]

By mitchaz on Dec 17, 2017 | Reply

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   Patrick Peterson:
   
   * Very poor efforts on both TDs—(1) when playing a WR like Crowder in the slot on the goal-line, the first thing a CB cannot do is lose leverage and let the WR cross his face—PP gave it up badly and way too easily—then, as PP tends to do when he gets beat, he slips—even worse, he didn’t even try to get up quickly—he basically quit on the play, as he did last week when he complained to the refs while his man was running with the ball. (2) with the Cardinals playing zone, the Redskins called a screen to PP’s side where he has the flat (been saying for a long time that teams know to run screens to PP’s side, because they know he will panic and take himself out of the play—which is exactly what he did—when a CB is playing the flat in zone coverage—and no WR or TE is in his zone, he has the luxury of being able to read the screen and bust it before the RB can get any speed going—the play is coming right at PP—but he inexplicably backpedals with no receiver to cover, then, when he sees the screen coming his way and sees the tackle coming for him, instead of juking and out-quicking the tackle or at least breaking down to then make a move to get to the RB, he does what he always does in that situation, he panics and runs away from the play (almost out of bounds), not toward it.
   
   
   
   
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3. Because you just resorted to calling me a liar, i am going to put you on ignore like i do to all the trollers on this board who resort to ad hominems and name calling. Don't worry you have plenty of company and we both know who they are. Too bad I thought you were a poster worth discussing concerns with.

I’m going to call you out on what you did, Mitch. Don’t undermine my intelligence. Maybe you’ll stop over-exaggerating pointless stuff in life, too.

 

[Chopper0080]

What I want is the Deion Sander is a big puss thread to start...and then have people in it talk about how it isn't being overly critical of one of the best of all time.

 

[Buckybird]

I’m not talking about what he does on STs.

Why take that out of the equation? Isn’t it a 1/3 of the game according to coaches & others in the NFL? He’s dogging it on returns & kick returns big time. That 1 single return can win a team a game!

Deion Sanders never dogged it returning kicks did he? Sure he tried to avoid the big hits, but he put great effort into trying to take a kick to the house. That’s really what made him “prime time” imo.

Why is PP even out there returning punts? We as fans know he can be a weapon & a weapon that can win a game with that 1 big return. People who say he’s out there because he’s got the best hands I call BS on. Do guys really believe BA or Amos tells him “just catch the ball then take a dive or run out of bounds”? If so (which I don’t believe) then shame on those coaches. I still say it’s hogwash.

All I know is most on this board bitch every game about PO returning kicks on game day! The guy is dogging it on STs, so get him the hell off of them! Like I said he’s cheating his team, coaches & fans with 75% effort each time our STs take the field imo.

 

[Buckybird]

What I want is the Deion Sander is a big puss thread to start...and then have people in it talk about how it isn't being overly critical of one of the best of all time.

He didn’t dog it returning kicks did he?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I would rather have Patrick Peterson be a poor tackler and play 16 games per season than be a great tackler and risk a concussion or shoulder injury.

It is the same with Fitz. I trust Fitz to determine when he needs to put his body on the line and when he needs to protect himself, and he sure as hell makes those decisions on a play by play basis.

Mitch could make the same argument against Russell Wilson as he makes with Patrick Peterson. Wilson consistently makes decisions and gives up yards to protect himself. Where I differ is that I am willing to trust Peterson/Wilson to make that decision in the moment.

In regards to Peterson being one of the best CBs in the game today...he is, and has been for years now. PFF shows him being the 49 best CB which is laughable, but if you want to go that route, their manufactured rankings are your best argument.

Nope. That is not how it works, at least based on what I am reading on this post.

It is clear as day that Fitzgerald will hit the dirt the moment he feels it is a lost cause. There are so many examples of Fitzgerald doing this in games this year that you would have to be purposefully looking the other way not to notice.

The difference is one player is beloved, and another scorned. That is it. If you look hard enough at Fitzgerald's game, you could easily pick out flaws with what he does on the field, but that has not been done, because its Fitzgerald, his overall play makes up for those negatives. Peterson just doesn't get the same respect for what he brings to the team outside of the negatives.

Why ? Have no idea, other than to say personal preference. Which is fine, but I call that out as such. The only argument so far between the two is "well, Fitzgerald has more heart." That is fine too. An opinion based on speculation but an opinion none the less.




BTW, The way Fitzgerald decides when and when not to put that extra effort in is, in my humble opinion, the smart way to play football in the NFL.

Why risk injury and a possible fumble/turnover fighting for two more inches ?

Who cares about two inches on a football field if you fumble the ball ?

Who cars about two inches if Fitzgerald gets hurt on that play ? Heck, he can go down, live for another day, and catch a pass for 15 yards on the next play, which is a hell of a lot more productive then two inches.

Same goes for Peterson, you live to fight another day, and possibly get a INT on the next one.

Football is a fame of effort, but in the pros, you have to be smart about it. It is a long season, and you need your best players to make plays all season long, not just for one play.

Where does the line between effort and smart lie ? I have no idea. I am not a professional athlete. Personally, I think Fitzgerald has mastered the art of when to take chances and when not to.

I think that long run he made against the Packers happens because NO ONE expected him to cut back when he went towards the sidelines. It is like an Ace-in-the-whole, or like a good fastball pitcher that understands if you throw about 90% for most the game, if you choose your spots to throw 100% they will not be expecting it, and you save your arm.

Again, its professional sports, not highschool.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

He didn’t dog it returning kicks did he?

Actually he did. You can see it on the other hundreds of returns that didn't make highlight reels. Sanders was not a physical player, and to be fair, if we are talking about "heart", I think Sanders made it clear that his motivation was money. He is the player the coined the phrase, "business decision".

It is easy to say he didn't when watching highlights of his punt returns, but he certainly didn't take on tacklers, and bust through guys to make his plays.

He was a RIDICULOUS athlete, with amazing speed, and quickness. And no, Peterson is not the athlete Sanders was. Sanders was a freak.

 

[Chopper0080]

Nope. That is not how it works, at least based on what I am reading on this post.

It is clear as day that Fitzgerald will hit the dirt the moment he feels it is a lost cause. There are so many examples of Fitzgerald doing this in games this year that you would have to be purposefully looking the other way not to notice.

The difference is one player is beloved, and another scorned. That is it. If you look hard enough at Fitzgerald's game, you could easily pick out flaws with what he does on the field, but that has not been done, because its Fitzgerald, his overall play makes up for those negatives. Peterson just doesn't get the same respect for what he brings to the team outside of the negatives.

Why ? Have no idea, other than to say personal preference. Which is fine, but I call that out as such. The only argument so far between the two is "well, Fitzgerald has more heart." That is fine too. An opinion based on speculation but an opinion none the less.




BTW, The way Fitzgerald decides when and when not to put that extra effort in is, in my humble opinion, the smart way to play football in the NFL.

Why risk injury and a possible fumble/turnover fighting for two more inches ?

Who cares about two inches on a football field if you fumble the ball ?

Who cars about two inches if Fitzgerald gets hurt on that play ? Heck, he can go down, live for another day, and catch a pass for 15 yards on the next play, which is a hell of a lot more productive then two inches.

Same goes for Peterson, you live to fight another day, and possibly get a INT on the next one.

Football is a fame of effort, but in the pros, you have to be smart about it. It is a long season, and you need your best players to make plays all season long, not just for one play.

Where does the line between effort and smart lie ? I have no idea. I am not a professional athlete. Personally, I think Fitzgerald has mastered the art of when to take chances and when not to.

I think that long run he made against the Packers happens because NO ONE expected him to cut back when he went towards the sidelines. It is like an Ace-in-the-whole, or like a good fastball pitcher that understands if you throw about 90% for most the game, if you choose your spots to throw 100% they will not be expecting it, and you save your arm.

Again, its professional sports, not highschool.

I was trying to make the same point you did here, but didn't put the effort in that you did. I "Patrick Peterson'd" my post.

 

[TJ]

Peterson's image has taken a hit the past couple of years, because too often cameras are focused on him after plays in which he dogs it. He was the #8 CB in Pro Bowl votes this year---why? By talent he should be in the top 3...but he's not. To make it to the HOF he will need the votes and right now his star appeal is diminishing.

Peterson was voted into the Pro Bowl as a starter, which means those who actually understand football understand his value. You're referencing Pro Bowl fan voting, which is the most flawed way of awarding players a spot on an all-star roster in all of professional sports. Yao Ming was an oft-injured, good-but-not-great NBA player, but was always voted as a starter in the West over guys like Shaq because China would stay up all hours of the night submitting online votes, even during seasons in which he didn't play. All-Star/Pro Bowl fan voting are glorified popular contests.

Plus, sports fans are biased and ignorant. Many Steeler fans vote for their back-up QBs over Tom Brady. Dallas Cowboy fans would vote for Dak Prescott over Drew Brees. Take Pro Bowl voting by fans with a grain of salt.

Some quick facts about his Pro Bowl accolades:

• Peterson is one of three players, along with Jim Brown and Barry Sanders, to have seven pro-bowl selections before the age of 28
• He is tied for the franchise record for consecutive Pro Bowl appearances (Fitzgerald)
• Peterson has the second most Pro Bowl appearances by a defensive player in franchise history, only behind Larry Wilson's eight appearances
• Peterson has the second most Pro Bowl selections by an active defensive player, only behind Julius Peppers.

Every player I listed in those bullet points are either in the Hall of Fame, or are certain to be enshrined in the Hall of Fame. If you still think Peterson has a ways to go before getting into the Hall of Fame, then I'm not sure what else to say to you.