Peterson - a big puss

[RugbyMuffin]

Even if healthy they were probably 9-7 and either out of the playoffs or a one and done in them. It is roster that got old, injured and had gaping holes on the offensive line and receiving corps.

I agree.

Yet, with the injuries I was very surprised the team finished 8-8, so without the injuries this team maybe finishes 10-6 or 11-5 ?

Crazy to think that way, but parity in the league is driving this type of play. I have flipped flopped on what was going on in the NFL this year. Was it that the talent was poor, was it lack of practice, or is there just not enough talent to go around, and the parity has reduced all football in the NFL to be "average at best".

The 2018 Cardinals did not look like a playoff team to me, not at any point in the season, yet, if Carson Palmer and David Johnson are healthy I think it would be hard to say they do not make it into the playoffs.

But, I agree with the "talent on the team" remark. I personally do not see a roster full of talent, but then again, I saw a 8-8 team this season, when 100% healthy, so that shows my accuracy at the moment. LOL.

As for next year? WHO KNOWS! The talent on defense is setup for a 3-4 defense, and the offense is setup for a vertical passing game. Will that talent translate to the new scheme ?

We will know by September 15th 2018. Till then, I will continue to talk out my butt about what I think it going to happen, but that amounts to a hill of beans until the action starts.

 

[TJ]

I was trying to make the same point you did here, but didn't put the effort in that you did. I "Patrick Peterson'd" my post.

Or you can say, "he covered my point really well; almost like Peterson does wide receivers."

 

[TJ]

What I don’t get is why are you guys going after PP21 this season? I mean, nothing has really changed from his rookie year except being elite in coverage. This all-of-a-sudden bashing from some is just odd.

^^^^^^And this guy used to be his biggest critic. One of the best voices of reason on the topic.

 

[Chopper0080]

Or you can say, "he covered my point really well; almost like Peterson does wide receivers."

We are establishing that I am not going to be a First Ballot ASFN HOF because my game is way too one dimensional and my lack of effort is glaring on a weekly basis.

 

[daves]

I don’t argue that Aeneas Williams was better, but those who base Peterson’s game on interceptions as a reliable measurement of his career are misguided.

Not to mention, when comparing interception numbers, the game has evolved over the decades to favor WRs to the detriment of CBs. QBs throw a LOT fewer interceptions in the 2010's than they did in the 1980's and 1990's. Jim Hart had WAY more interceptions than TDs.

...dbs

 

[cardncubfan]

I’m going to call you out on what you did, Mitch. Don’t undermine my intelligence. Maybe you’ll stop over-exaggerating pointless stuff in life, too.

I think he was referring to the 19 thumbs up & only 2 thumbs down.

 

[Buckybird]

Anyone still don’t believe tackling matters in the NFL? Regardless of whom it is, many of the Redbirds don’t tackle well & haven’t in a few years now.

The Falcons laid the wood to one of the supposed best NFL offenses!!!

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[AZ Native]

Yep! I’d take Aeneas over PP any day

Not even close. That being said I really respect PP for his one on one coverage of great WR's.

 

[Finito]

Anyone still don’t believe tackling matters in the NFL? Regardless of whom it is, many of the Redbirds don’t tackle well & haven’t in a few years now.

The Falcons laid the wood to one of the supposed best NFL offenses!!!

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Didn't the Cardinals finish in the top 5 again on the defensive side? Sorry but your post is just way off. We have had a top 5 defense for a few years now dude. From Horton to Bowels and now to Betcher our Defense has been strong for years defense ain't our problem dude

 

[Buckybird]

Didn't the Cardinals finish in the top 5 again on the defensive side? Sorry but your post is just way off. We have had a top 5 defense for a few years now dude. From Horton to Bowels and now to Betcher our Defense has been strong for years defense ain't our problem dude

I think it’s a good defense but not great! Regardless of how statistically it finish do you really feel what you’ve watched on the field is a top 5 defense the last 2 years? Maybe I’m way off base, but imo they don’t seem like a great defense each week I watch them. The Cards can’t defend a screen, let numerous 3rd & long situations turn into 1st downs, blow lots of coverages & have blown numerous big leads as well.

Btw we played mostly poor offensive teams this year imo. When we did play some of the top offenses we were smoked!

Am I wrong?

 

[Finito]

I think it’s a good defense but not great! Regardless of how statistically it finish do you really feel what you’ve watched on the field is a top 5 defense the last 2 years? Maybe I’m way off base, but imo they don’t seem like a great defense each week I watch them. The Cards can’t defend a screen, let numerous 3rd & long situations turn into 1st downs, blow lots of coverages & have blown numerous big leads as well.

Btw we played mostly poor offensive teams this year imo. When we did play some of the top offenses we were smoked!

Am I wrong?

Yeah I do feel like I watched a top 5 defense do you know why? Because it is. Like I said from Horton to Bowels to Betcher our defense has been good for years. Defense ain't our problem could it get better yes everything can always get better, but to say oh the D is soft and we can't tackle this and that is just wrong

 

[Russ Smith]

The difference is one player is beloved, and another scorned. That is it. If you look hard enough at Fitzgerald's game, you could easily pick out flaws with what he does on the field, but that has not been done, because its Fitzgerald, his overall play makes up for those negatives. Peterson just doesn't get the same respect for what he brings to the team outside of the negatives.

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Really good point there and I think it's really because of the lack of INT's with PP. People are thinking if he's THAT good, how come he has so few INT's? My answer is simple, his 2nd year in the league he was an elite CB and teams were challenging him and he had 7 INT's, 16 passed defended and NFL teams learned their lesson. Since then he hasn't had more than 3 INT's or more than 8 PD's. It's because teams do NOT throw at him, and when they do they're safe throws, where if the WR doesn't get it PP won't either.

If you read the stuff the NFL puts out every week it's amazing week after week hearing that opponents QB say we're not going to be afraid of throwing his way, you can't concede to him, you have to go at him. Why do they say that? they say that because when they watch game film they realize most teams that play us do exactly that, they concede to PP. Atlanta with Julio, the Lions when they had Megatron, there are very few teams who when they play us they don't alter their offensive gameplan and just continue to make their best WR the focus of their offense. Most teams make someone else the focus so they don't have to throw at PP.

And as a result he doesn't get a ton of INT's and people think ok if we're going to allow him to be a mediocre tackler, and he is, he at least needs to be getting 5 picks a season and he doesn't.

Most outfielders with lots of assists don't have great arms, they have assists because everyone challenges their arm. The reason the guy opposite PP seems to get lots of picks some years is they throw at him to avoid throwing at PP.

 

[Jetstream Green]

There are certain words on this forum which resonate, such as Wednesday. Big Puss now represents a stud, one tough son of a bitch (yeah, those who think Peterson is not physical, and he is not, but I still think the world of him and his coverage skills, coverage qualifies him for a 'big puss'). Dawson was a big puss in the final stretch. Olsen Pierre became a big puss for the Cards. Chandler Jones, might be the biggest puss we have. Stanton acted like a big puss playing with his knee. Branch was a big puss till the injury... now, how many forums can make that observation in that way lol

 

[Jetstream Green]

There are certain words on this forum which resonate, such as Wednesday. Big Puss now represents a stud, one tough son of a bitch (yeah, those who think Peterson is not physical, and he is not, but I still think the world of him and his coverage skills, coverage qualifies him for a 'big puss'). Dawson was a big puss in the final stretch. Olsen Pierre became a big puss for the Cards. Chandler Jones, might be the biggest puss we have. Stanton acted like a big puss playing with his knee. Branch was a big puss till the injury... now, how many forums can make that observation in that way lol

Why merge my thread to only Peterson. Maybe, I think Fitzgerald is a big puss and why I own his jersey... btw, I think David Johnson is the ultimate puss, and I hope our new QB is too

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You can only merge into one thread... The better question is why you need a new post to talk about your opinion on other threads.

 

[Jetstream Green]

You can only merge into one thread... The better question is why you need a new post to talk about your opinion on other threads.

I will not question your question, you are a mod and your decision is law

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I will not question your question, you are a mod and your decision is law

lol

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I will not question your question, you are a mod and your decision is law

+1 billion.

There has to be some law and order out here.

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and it all seriousness, thanks to all mods for keeping the animals under control. - signed, big hairy animal

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yeah I do feel like I watched a top 5 defense do you know why? Because it is. Like I said from Horton to Bowels to Betcher our defense has been good for years. Defense ain't our problem could it get better yes everything can always get better, but to say oh the D is soft and we can't tackle this and that is just wrong

Top 5 in yards. 19th in scoring.

You watched an defense that was middle of the road.

 

[Cheesebeef]

For those who think this D is a great D, and has been for three years, answer me this question:

Why is a Bettcher not even mentioned, much less considered for any of the top HC openings?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

For those who think this D is a great D, and has been for three years, answer me this question:

Why is a Bettcher not even mentioned, much less considered for any of the top HC openings?

The D was definitely much better the 2nd half of the season. With that said, I don't think is anywhere near good enough to be considered a HC. You can be good at a DC and never be a good HC. There are plenty of examples out there.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

For those who think this D is a great D, and has been for three years, answer me this question:

Why is a Bettcher not even mentioned, much less considered for any of the top HC openings?

Because he ain't no Todd Bowles. Ray Horton ain't no Todd Bowles either. Hell, Bruce Arians ain't no Todd Bowles

I have been telling Jets fans to be patient, because he is going to turn things around.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Because he ain't no Todd Bowles. Ray Horton ain't no Todd Bowles either. Hell, Bruce Arians ain't no Todd Bowles

I have been telling Jets fans to be patient, because he is going to turn things around.

Same Todd Bowles that was run out of Philly right? That guy?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Same Todd Bowles that was run out of Philly right? That guy?

Run out of Philly or was the interm defensive coordinator, after Castillo was fired and was let go when the new head coach got there, how ever you want to revise the history of it.

http://www.nbcsports.com/philadelph...wles-couldnt-save-2012-eagles-left-impression

Great coach, I wish he was our head coach, and stand by that statement 100%.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Yes this thread is closed.