PHO-SAC trade proposal

[JCSunsfan]

Scoring down low is overrated and besides that we are pretty good at that.

Show me the low post presence on the Warriors, Clippers, Thunder etc they don't have it. You don't need it.

Winning strongly corrolates with three point shooting, we need to be much better still at shooting the ball.

Totally disagree. There is more than one way to win a championship. The Warriors won without a low post scorer because they have the best shooters in the world in their back court. No other team is going to be able to duplicate that. But even then, Bogut can score in the low post pretty effectively.

Clippers have Blake, Spurs have Duncan, Cavs have LeBron (who can score from anywhere).

If this Suns team is going to build toward a championship caliber team FROM WHERE THEY PRESENTLY ARE, the next step would be a reliable low-post offensive presence. The player doesn't have to be dominant, just reliable (like where Duncan is right now).

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Bledsoe and Cousins would be an intriguing duo but I really am not a big fan of Cousins and his attitude and effort.

Although he is an idiot, people felt similarly about Barkley before he was traded. Cousins is not without warts, but if we can get him for a package centered around Warren and picks, I don't see how you pass on him. He's a legitimate star, and young enough to continue to improve.

As the last couple offseasons have proven, it's really hard to get a star to come here, whether by trade or FA. I'd roll the dice on a Cousins trade.

 

[Mainstreet]

Although he is an idiot, people felt similarly about Barkley before he was traded. Cousins is not without warts, but if we can get him for a package centered around Warren and picks, I don't see how you pass on him. He's a legitimate star, and young enough to continue to improve.

As the last couple offseasons have proven, it's really hard to get a star to come here, whether by trade or FA. I'd roll the dice on a Cousins trade.

The Kings would want a boatload for Cousins, enough where the teams wanting him may waffle. Still some team will offer the farm for him. Can Cousins take a team to the next level or will he be like Kevin Love? This is the gamble.

 

[Phrazbit]

I actually agree with slin. In today's NBA 3pt shooting is waaaaay more important than low post play. Yes, the Spurs won the title and they had Duncan... but they were the top 3pt shooting team in the league that year. That is what carried their offense. The slashing of their guards and the catch and shoot ability from the outside.

Of late the contenders all are really good at shooting from the outside, while low post players are nice to have, but not at all a necessity.

I also thing that unless whatever low post player we were to get was either also able to shoot from the outside or supplanted Chandler in most lineups then the result would be a zero sum game offensively. You put some guy who clogs the lane in there along side Chandler and you can bet your butt that Bledsoe and Knight will both suffer tremendously as their space for penetration is chopped in half.

 

[slinslin]

Griffin.

They do.

I would hardly call Griffin a lowpost player.

 

[Mainstreet]

I remember a Suns coach who always wanted shooters on the floor.

 

[Phrazbit]

I remember a Suns coach who always wanted shooters on the floor.

uuuuuunnnnngggggggg.

Can we not do another rehashing of that debate? I don't think its been a week since people argued in circles about him.

 

[elindholm]

uuuuuunnnnngggggggg.

Can we not do another rehashing of that debate? I don't think its been a week since people argued in circles about him.

Yeah, it's pretty much trolling by this point. I just have to force myself to ignore it.

 

[Mainstreet]

uuuuuunnnnngggggggg.

Can we not do another rehashing of that debate? I don't think its been a week since people argued in circles about him.

I'm done with that. Let's leave it in the past. However, if it wasn't relevant to your post I wouldn't have hinted about it.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'm done with that. Let's leave it in the past. However, if it wasn't relevant to your post I wouldn't have hinted about it.

I just feel like its inane. There are tons of coaches who like spreading the floor. Its like if someone on the Cardinals board said we need better defense and someone else hinted that Buddy Ryan would have felt the same way. It does not raise the discourse and at this point peoples thoughts are what they are on the guy.

 

[Mainstreet]

I just feel like its inane. There are tons of coaches who like spreading the floor. Its like if someone on the Cardinals board said we need better defense and someone else hinted that Buddy Ryan would have felt the same way. It does not raise the discourse and at this point peoples thoughts are what they are on the guy.

I agree. Been there, done that.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I actually agree with slin. In today's NBA 3pt shooting is waaaaay more important than low post play. Yes, the Spurs won the title and they had Duncan... but they were the top 3pt shooting team in the league that year. That is what carried their offense. The slashing of their guards and the catch and shoot ability from the outside.

Of late the contenders all are really good at shooting from the outside, while low post players are nice to have, but not at all a necessity.

I also thing that unless whatever low post player we were to get was either also able to shoot from the outside or supplanted Chandler in most lineups then the result would be a zero sum game offensively. You put some guy who clogs the lane in there along side Chandler and you can bet your butt that Bledsoe and Knight will both suffer tremendously as their space for penetration is chopped in half.

I would agree that 3 point shooting is more important, but that does not make low post play unimportant. Its like the passing and running game in football, each makes the other more effective.

 

[hcsilla]

I would hardly call Griffin a lowpost player.

You would or wouldn't, Griffin is an excellent and very dangerous lowpost player.

 

[hcsilla]

BTW, Cousins is an excellent shooter, he can score from both inside and outside.

 

[sunsfan88]

Grffin's just an all around great player. He can score inside and his mid range game is basically automatic now when he's left open.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The Kings would want a boatload for Cousins, enough where the teams wanting him may waffle. Still some team will offer the farm for him. Can Cousins take a team to the next level or will he be like Kevin Love? This is the gamble.

Of course it's a risk, but what's our alternative? Cousins is also better than Love.

 

[Mainstreet]

Of course it's a risk, but what's our alternative? Cousins is also better than Love.

If Cousins could be had in a James Harden like trade it would be a lock but I'm not sure if it is worth the risk. If Cousins didn't work out, the Suns might find themselves in sort of like a Rondo situation and need to start rebuilding again.

 

[Catlover]

The Kings would want a boatload for Cousins, enough where the teams wanting him may waffle. Still some team will offer the farm for him. Can Cousins take a team to the next level or will he be like Kevin Love? This is the gamble.

We don't even know if Cousins can take his team out of the cellar let alone make the playoffs. Five seasons under his belt and a .354 winning percentage was the best the Kings could achieve. That's 11 fewer wins than the Wolves had in Love's last season there.

 

[Mainstreet]

We don't even know if Cousins can take his team out of the cellar let alone make the playoffs. Five seasons under his belt and a .354 winning percentage was the best the Kings could achieve. That's 11 fewer wins than the Wolves had in Love's last season there.

This is all true. One current young player that I thought could carry a team to a championship is Anthony Davis. Maybe it still happens. However, a good young big man is not always a guarantee.

 

[JCSunsfan]

No one thought Curry could carry a team to a championship two years ago. Those that you think can will be unattainable.

 

[sunsfan88]

No one thought Curry could carry a team to a championship two years ago. Those that you think can will be unattainable.

Exactly. Cousins has had the worst ownership, front office, coaches and teammates around him since being drafted by the Kings.

To put them being bad on him is inane.

 

[sunsfan88]

And Rajon Rondo has looked like the player he was early in his Boston career. Cousins has played well but Rondo has been the catalyst IMO.

Not really, they didn't win one game when Cousins was injured and missed games.

The main reason for Rondo's revival is Cousins. Cousins makes Rondo look good, it's not the other way around.

 

[Mainstreet]

No one thought Curry could carry a team to a championship two years ago. Those that you think can will be unattainable.

Have to give the Suns credit for trying to trade for the Curry pick.

 

[JCSunsfan]

This guy could help. Doesn't hurt that he shoots the three too. I wouldn't be going to him every play, but it would be nice to have this low post option, epecially in the playoffs.

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[elindholm]

Except that he has an injury that he's proving mysteriously unable to recover from.