Pictures of the catch.

[desertdawg]

Only 2 different kinds of folks are calling that a TD, the folks that bet money on the Seahawks and the folks that love the Seahawks...it's pretty cut and dry IMO. If that happened to the Cards, and we walked away with a victory via the scaboneros...I would probably celebrate the "win" even harder.

 

[Mulli]

Ya, Silver is a dope. Thanks MO.

 

[Phrazbit]

Lynch didn't say that .... and there was nothing specific to the catch

I think cardinals fans should know about the journalism of michael silver

and this is really my last post and I only put it up because I just saw it and it pretty much is my vantage point in action

everyone is free to take from it what they will

but I see his left hand in there and as they go to the ground his right hand shifting over the arm and grabbing at the ball ...... it's definitely close - but the play was called a TD, was upheld by the normal replay officials (and yes possession is reviewable on simultaneous calls as long as it's in the end zone) and the hyperbole of this being the most egregious call ever is hyperbole based on 2 months of bad officiating

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and Mulli - if you ever hit town there's a beer in it from me - glad to have you back

That picture clearly shows that Tate NEVER had the ball! He has Jennings around the helmet with no contact on the ball as they decent towards the ground and Jennings has the ball in a bear hug.

... Seriously, how you can defend the call from that angle is insane. The pic you used to show "both hands in there" is before the ball is touched by either, and this clip definitively shows that after that point Jennings gets both hands on the ball while Tate is merely slapping at Jennings arms and hugging him around the head and body.

 

[Russ Smith]

not on that i'm not

it doesn't matter if the DB has and doesn't lose control of the ball as long as the WR is able to also gain control - the DB is irrelevant

there is no "i had it first" or "i had it more" .... you either have it all to yourself or you don't and if you don't you really have nothing

That contradicts the rule

"It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control."

It does matter if one gains control first. The only way it's a simultaneous catch is if Tate gained control simultaneously, you sort of just said he didn't.

 

[Phrazbit]

Disgusting, just saw the official league statement. They even said the simultaneous catch was reviewable because it was in the endzone. Also they admit it should have been a game ending offensive PI call. But still refuse to overturn the ruling.

The arrogance of this league is sickening.

Golden Taint's reaction has instantly made him one of my most despised players in the league. I hope Seattle's season completely unravels.

 

[Russ Smith]

Disgusting, just saw the official league statement. They even said the simultaneous catch was reviewable because it was in the endzone. Also they admit it should have been a game ending offensive PI call. But still refuse to overturn the ruling.

The arrogance of this league is sickening.

Golden Taint's reaction has instantly made him one of my most despised players in the league. I hope Seattle's season completely unravels.

See now there I completely disagree. I can't fault Seattle at all. I hate Pete Carroll but even I get why he did what he did with the TD signal and then calling it a good call after the game. What else can he do he gets fined if he says bad call. If he does he embarasses the refs.

With Tate I give him credit for fighting for the ball. yes it was PI, no I don't think he caught the ball but he did his job trying. If he were to now say I didn't really catch it what is gained, they're not going to overturn it.

I don't fault the team or the players in any way. I barely even fault the refs it's the NFL greed that put them in this position.

I expect we'll see a makeup call with both teams in games later in the year one to benefit GB, one to harm Seattle.

now if Pete Carroll complains then, I'm going to be mad.

 

[CardsFan88]

You do realize there is nothing in the rule book about "majority possession" or percentages right?

Who controls it most is irrelevant

That doesn't matter. I used the percentages for your sake, to simplify it from another angle.

He didn't have it from the start, nor at the end, or anywhere in between. He merely was touching the ball and had it wedged not against his own body. It was wedged against the Packers body, and the packers guy had two hand around it and tight.

It wasn't even close to a catch from the seahawks.

not on that i'm not

the WR is able to also gain control - the DB is irrelevant

The WR NEVER HAD CONTROL. It's not 'also'. He never had it.

 

[crisper57]

Marshawn Lynch thinks they didn't win that game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--s...of-controversial-final-play-monday-night.html

 

[Red Dawn]

This gambling site didn't think so either:

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[conraddobler]

This call was just as bad and occurred in the Super Bowl. But now one cared

No they cared.. about getting it wrong.

See everyone on here is seemingly forgetting that with these horrible refs we somehow have managed to be 3-0 for the first time in forever.

Why ANY Cardinal fan would want the old ones back is BEYOND ME.

BTW, that SB was filmed by dozens of HD cameras and yet the stills they showed were blurry.

That's freaking impossible!

It's also no where near as bad as the Cardinals Royals World Series call, it's not even close to as bad as that.

That was done by a full time guy who was wrong by a full yard on a first base call in the biggest game of that year in baseball, stuff happens.

 

[conraddobler]

It was a horrible call, but it wasn't as bad as the 5th down call that eventually led to Colorado sharing a national title.

I've seen bad calls in my life, this was a terrible call but I can name two worse calls instantly in other sports just off the top of my head that were done by legit refs put there with no lockout, no strike.

Stuff happens.

 

[cardncubfan]

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[Buckybird]

doesn't matter as long as tate had his hands on the ball as well as the play was coming to completion - it sure looks like he did

not on that i'm not

it doesn't matter if the DB has and doesn't lose control of the ball as long as the WR is able to also gain control - the DB is irrelevant

there is no "i had it first" or "i had it more" .... you either have it all to yourself or you don't and if you don't you really have nothing

and get the other one on there too and go to the ground with your hands on the ball ... it become a reception, just like every other time you go to the ground with two hands on the ball without the ball hitting the ground

and with that I'm done ..... really nothing left to go through and no ones opinion is going to change

onto rams week and back into the shadows ...... best of luck against the 'phins

Dude, lay off the crack pipe! You really believe that ball wasn't picked off & that Tate had simultaneous possession? Lol You're being more of a homer than Blowhard the Niners fan who posts here! I'm quite sure you would be saying the same, if the exact same thing happened to your Hawks.

Congratulations you're now a scab NFL ref.

 

[52brandon]

It was a horrible call, but it wasn't as bad as the 5th down call that eventually led to Colorado sharing a national title.

I've seen bad calls in my life, this was a terrible call but I can name two worse calls instantly in other sports just off the top of my head that were done by legit refs put there with no lockout, no strike.

Stuff happens.

sure. But when you're looking at a 30 year sample of games as opposed to a 3 week sample and can pick out as many BLOWN calls, there's an issue with the 3 week team

 

[conraddobler]

sure. But when you're looking at a 30 year sample of games as opposed to a 3 week sample and can pick out as many BLOWN calls, there's an issue with the 3 week team

The issue is they suck, however the alternative is to give into the Refs demands.

We're at least playing football, it's not the end of the world and our team is 3 and 0, I fail to see the bad here.

 

[Buckybird]

The issue is they suck, however the alternative is to give into the Refs demands.

We're at least playing football, it's not the end of the world and our team is 3 and 0, I fail to see the bad here.

Plus teams like the Cowpies, Stealers,Pats & Pack, etc aren't getting the homer calls...the refs are equally bad to all 32 teams. IMO that's the only positive from all this.

 

[conraddobler]

Plus teams like the Cowpies, Stealers,Pats & Pack, etc aren't getting the homer calls...the refs are equally bad to all 32 teams. IMO that's the only positive from all this.

Yep and they're really taking it well aren't they....

I think it's hilarious really, it's so much fun to watch them implode i hope this goes on all season.

This is the year we'll win the SB, and all those teams you listed will just point to it and say, replacement refs did this, when in reality it was the team getting better. It's a perfect script, I'm just happy we're going to win it all.

JK... sort of.

 

[Duckjake]

What I want to know, and this may have been brought up in one of the other threads on last night, was where was all this righteous indignation last year when the refs screwed up the call on the Victor Cruz fumble? A blown call that eventually allowed the Giants to win the Super Bowl. To me unless Seattle wins the West by one game and goes on to win the SB was far worse than the one yesterday.

But since it was the huge market Giants the networks gave it little if any play and the message boards other than ASFN were surprisingly quiet.

 

[52brandon]

What I want to know, and this may have been brought up in one of the other threads on last night, was where was all this righteous indignation last year when the refs screwed up the call on the Victor Cruz fumble? A blown call that eventually allowed the Giants to win the Super Bowl. To me unless Seattle wins the West by one game and goes on to win the SB was far worse than the one yesterday.

But since it was the huge market Giants the networks gave it little if any play and the message boards other than ASFN were surprisingly quiet.

it was brought up. But there's no real answer...

 

[Russ Smith]

What I want to know, and this may have been brought up in one of the other threads on last night, was where was all this righteous indignation last year when the refs screwed up the call on the Victor Cruz fumble? A blown call that eventually allowed the Giants to win the Super Bowl. To me unless Seattle wins the West by one game and goes on to win the SB was far worse than the one yesterday.

But since it was the huge market Giants the networks gave it little if any play and the message boards other than ASFN were surprisingly quiet.

It wasn't a Monday Night where the whole country was watching but I do agree.

ESPN even talked to Cruz this morning after Fitz about the play and they asked him if he got a play like that would he admit whether he caught it or not. And he didn't say well last year I got a free fumble against Arizona and then told everyone I was giving myself up when I really wasn't. He did sort of say if he were Tate he'd admit it wasn't a catch so kind of hypocritical.

There was controversy over that call but nothing like this because it wasn't a Monday night and it wasn't replacement refs.

I would add there was an element there of nobody really knew the rule, where most of us are pretty confident we can tell if it's an INT or a simultaneous catch.

 

[Cards_Campos]

game had horrible officiating - that is a good view though and is right on .... the missed PI was the bigger issue on that play

tate had his left arm between the ball and the body and secured his right arm to it when both were falling to the ground ....as we all know with the archaic NFL rules you don't have a reception (offensive or defensive) until the receiving motion is completed ... you don't complete the motion with 1 foot on the ground

simultaneous possession - seahawks TD

refs really screwed what should have been a great game though - was rough to watch all night

Completely wrong!!! A simulaneous catch is when both players catch the ball at the exact time. Not when one player catches it and you then grab the ball as they are falling. The Simulataneous catch rule was explained on ESPN NFL Live and the rules states...it is only simulatneous if they both grab at the same time. It doesn't matter if the defender has no feet on the ground. Tate basically put 1 hand on it as he was falling, not 1 time did he have CONTROL of the ball. Jennings NEVER lossed control. Just because Tate may have placed his hands on the ball...Not 1 time would you consider him having control. Yes he had a hand on it but that doesn't follow the rule they explained on NFL Live.

 

[Cards_Campos]

"there is no weight to possession .... there is no 70%/30% ... there is no weight to if you pull it to your body or if you get your hands on it first ..... it's who has their hands on secured on the ball as they are ruled down through the act of completing a catch ..... that's it" Someone stated this


That is wrong the rule states..the first player to catch and control the ball is the player who will get credit for the catch as long he never loses control!!! Tate may have had 2 hands when they landed...but the rule states who ever catches the ball first...in fact they use the exact wordage..that the other player just can't come in and grab the ball to get simulataneous credit. I would agree with you if Jennings lost control at some point. But not once did Jennings lose control....He was the one actually who had both hands the ENTIRE time throughout the catch. Tate may have had 1...but that was after Jennings caught it first. Jennings clearly jumped HIGHER than Tate because Tate didn't jump until after he pushed the GB guy about 12 feet.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Really?.... Seriously? Delusional. As is every other Seahawk lover this morning.

yep...

 

[NJCardFan]

and get the other one on there too and go to the ground with your hands on the ball ... it become a reception, just like every other time you go to the ground with two hands on the ball without the ball hitting the ground

and with that I'm done ..... really nothing left to go through and no ones opinion is going to change

onto rams week and back into the shadows ...... best of luck against the 'phins

Let me get this straight so we're clear: If a defender has both hands on the ball and is clutching the ball to his chest, however the offensive player had 2 hands on the ball only this constitutes a reception by the offensive player? Um, if you say so...

 

[NJCardFan]

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and Mulli - if you ever hit town there's a beer in it from me - glad to have you back

Wow, son, really? That blatantly shows Tate had no sort of possession of the ball whatsoever. Having 1 hand on the ball and the other trying to cradle Jennings. Wow guy, I know you're a Seahag homer but this is ridiculous.