The Refs sucked, but Sheed did swat Amare probably the most keyv play of the game. Shaq and Nash get zero calls
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The Refs sucked, but Sheed did swat Amare probably the most keyv play of the game. Shaq and Nash get zero calls
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He hit 4 3's in the first quarter, and played well on both sides of the court at crunch time.
Sheed played a good game.
Andrew
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I whole heartedly agree. What one man in sports is consistently fouled everytime he practically is in a play?
That man would be Shaquille O'Neal. He gets fouled and the refs shallow their whistles. He does the same thing and it's a foul.
Bias at its finest.
Or, Nash having his feet set outside of the paint and the ref scared to call the charge on the home team because he MIGHT get booed.
That man would be Shaquille O'Neal. He gets fouled and the refs shallow their whistles. He does the same thing and it's a foul.
Bias at its finest.
Or, Nash having his feet set outside of the paint and the ref scared to call the charge on the home team because he MIGHT get booed.
That is my take away from last night's game as well. They should learn from it. It was a dress rehearsal for the finals (if the Suns make it that far). Also, it helps the Suns practice for playing against the Jazz or Spurs in the West playoffs.
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Personal fouls : Pistons 23 Suns 19
Doesnt seem so out of wack to me. Of course calls made down the stretch are magnified.... but that is why you dont let yourself get into a situation down the stretch where one call can make or break you.
Doesnt seem so out of wack to me. Of course calls made down the stretch are magnified.... but that is why you dont let yourself get into a situation down the stretch where one call can make or break you.
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You can't judge by just that, because that doesn't count fouls that weren't called.
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Of course you cannot judge solely on the numbers, but at least its not a huge discrepency. Besides the suns got more calls on the pistons home court. Im not addressing the validity of the calls, just that it wasnt a huge difference in the amount per squad. Time to move on and worry about what you can change... and that's the next game.
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Wow, that's some pretty strong anti-Stoudemire bias. It would appear that his recent play has gotten the attention of Laker fans.
First of all, you need to get your time frame straight. Yes, Wallace scored five points toward the end of regulation, but if I'm the Suns, I let him shoot contested three-pointers whenever he wants. He's a 34% shooter from long range for his career and only a couple of points higher than that this year. In other words, he's no better a three-point shooter than Shawn Marion. Do you think any Marion defender would hang his head after "giving up" a Marion three late in the game? But in any case, Stoudemire matched Wallace in regulation -- the blocked shot was toward the end of overtime, after Wallace had stopped scoring.
Who cares about Wallace's taunt? Stoudemire certainly didn't. All night long he let his game do the talking. If anyone had the right to say "You can't stop me," it was Stoudemire. There's no shame in getting your shot blocked once in a while by an inspired defender.
The player who killed the Suns was Billups, as was obvious to anyone who watched the game. He scored pretty much at will in the overtime period, and any time he let one of his teammates take the shot instead -- including Wallace -- I was relieved. I suppose you could say that Stoudemire's help defense needed to be better, but the main reason Billups went off was because Bell was hobbling on a bad wheel and had gotten too fatigued to keep up.
It's very telling that now that Stoudemire has raised his game to an MVP-caliber level, Laker fans are falling all over themselves trying to construct ways to bring him down. That speaks volumes.
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Laker fans are NOT at all worried about Amare or any one player or team. In case you havent realized it yet, fans writing in a blog cannot bring a player down in anyway shape or form.
Soooo at least while complaining about the refs, and now bells foot, you at least acknowledged that an opposing player (billups) and something other than a league wide conspiricy actually had something to do with a suns loss!!! Kudos to you.
Chaplin
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ANOTHER Laker fan? Where do you all come from? And why do you spend all your time on a Suns message board??
its because we have the most exciting team in the league..
if i wasn't a suns fan i'd def want to be one..
elindholm
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If you're going to troll, at least have the courtesy to pay attention to who you're responding to. I never complained about the officiating in this thread. The Billups/Nash block was probably a bad call, but the home team will get those toward the end of a close game. As for Bell's ankle, I certainly wasn't "complaining" about it, but it's obvious to those of us who follow the team that he's a lot more effective on both ends of the floor when his mobility isn't compromised.
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Ya it was Stuckey sorry, I expected most of you to jump on a typo anyway. Typo or not it seems like your just avoiding the fact that Stuckey went off on us. Seemed like he was always unguarded. And if I recall the pwnage I'm talking about is the 4th quarter turnaround jumper down low on Amare and the straight up in your face J right on his face late in the game. Or could it be the rejection that could be considered as pwnage? Amare's still the man but he couldn't handle Sheed late in that game and that was pretty obvious.
I know most of you just wanna blame the refs for a loss but we lost because the Pistons are good. I don't know if they are better than us but I'd say its pretty even.
elindholm
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I guess if you're going to look at only half the plays, you can consider anything you want as pwnage. I doubt you have any interest in facts, but here they are anyway (from http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=280324008):
With 2:40 to go, the Suns led 94-89. During the next 1:40, the Pistons went on a 7-0 run to take a 96-94 lead. During that run, Wallace made his two shots (a three and a two) and Stoudemire missed one. So, yes, Wallace won those 100 seconds.
In the final minute of regulation, Stoudemire drew a foul -- on Wallace -- and made both free throws to tie the game. The Pistons then had several more opportunities to score but blew them all, including two misses by Wallace, one from only eight feet. So that minute has to go to Stoudemire. He not only made the clutch free throws but also shut down Wallace when the game was on the line.
In overtime, Stoudemire made his first two shots, then got no attempts until the one blocked by Wallace. He also missed a meaningless three-pointer in the last few seconds. So he was 2-3 on shots that mattered. Wallace, on the other hand, missed his first two shots -- when Billups was scoring at will, mind you -- then finally made the one that gave Detroit the lead for good. So he was 1-3, with the block. I'd call overtime a draw as far as those two players were concerned.
If you'd like to explain how you interpret that as "pwnage," be my guest, but it looks to me like you're just making things up to try to stir the pot.
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don't even bother listening to his trolling.
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That was a game where DJ could have given Billups some hard bumps relieving Raja. Raja, LB, Giri, Hill, they all couldn't slow down Billups at all. In hindsight, it'd have been better to play the lineup Shaq/Amare/Hill/DJ/Nash in the OT. Only offense coach wanted was Amare/Nash anyway with only them scoring there. Then why not do something dedicated to stopping Billups? Not to mention we could have used Skinner earlier to follow Rasheed on the 3pt line when he was hot.
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Not to mention we could have used Skinner earlier to follow Rasheed on the 3pt line when he was hot.
I thought it was fine to leave Wallace alone. He's not a good enough shooter to make those consistently. Yes, he made his first four, but as far as I was concerned, any possession ending in a Wallace three was a good defensive possession for the Suns. Sure enough, he made only one of his last six attempts. I was glad that the Suns didn't change their defensive strategy just because he happened to make a few.
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Do i really have to answer this again? If making me a fan of basketball and going to some of the rivals teams boards to talk ball, bantar with their fans, get opposing views from fans other than my own teams (lakers) fans makes me, ohhhh im trembling here, a troll... then i guess im a, not sure my psyche can take it..... a troll!
Geeeeeeeez! So you just all want to be suns fans here and not allow anyone else to converse? All pats on the back and no opposing opinions? Are you are so sensitive you cannot listen to opposing opinions or even take an occasional complement without resentment?
I am also the member on several laker boards and we welcome all other teams posters. I guess maybe here your a little self conscious with all the whining and conspiricy theories. Who knows.
on a curious note.... if you are so bothered by other teams fans offering up some conversation.... then why do you respond to the posts? Just ignore them and move on.
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cry me a river.. the wambulance is on its way to pick you up..
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When Al says, "shazam", I assume a 3 point shot was made. Don't really need to see it to understand what happened. When Al says a call is BS I'll take his word for it. Like I said, don't really need to see it to know what's happening.
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cobbler
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Im not the one crying about how the league is personally screwing my team. You might want to send that wambulance to another poster. *grin*
Treesquid PhD
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Here is my opinion about last night, The Suns should have gotten critical rebounds, they didn't and they lost, I am not going lose sight of that. The refs in the NBA suck, but that's the NBA we all know they suck. and the refs will always suck in the NBA, for every team, we need to just deal with it.
If you cannot deal with that basic premise, then you shouldn't watch the NBA, it won't be fun.
If you cannot deal with that basic premise, then you shouldn't watch the NBA, it won't be fun.
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I think it was pretty obvious the plays by Sheed shifted the momentum in that game. I'm not trying to argue here, its just one loss out of the last 8 so its no big deal for me. I like Amare and I love the Suns! I just don't like blaming refs for games and I think if you look at it in the big picture the calls do even out.
Go Suns!!
