Pitiful: Manning, 49ers "secretly play" rival Cardinals bad.

[BigRedRage]

RISE UP RED SEA~!!!!! blow the doors off the stadium with BOOS!

 

[Crazy Canuck]

i'm normally not an angry person. not a vengeful person. and i have no idea why i'm feeling vengeful right now. but i want our team to put a serious hurting on manning if we play them. and a REALLY serious hurting if he's a niner.

Now, now "bounties" are a no, no...

 

[40yearfan]

Personally i think it's total B.S. the Cards were played. Look, Manning had some interest or he wouldn't have come here. I think the speculation was just way off from day one the Cards were a finalist. I think the second he left here he made up his mind but it's understandable to take the week to think about it.

Someone else posted this in another thread but I think the Cards lack of tradition and decades of bad reputation might have been a factor no matter how things have changed. I think stuff that like that matters for QB's of his caliber. We didn't get JM and now PM. I hate to say it but those types of QB's are out of the Cards league IMO.

Did you forget about Kurt Warner? I don't know if you are old enough to remember but Jim Hart and Neil Lomax were some pretty good QB's also. Maybe not in Manning's league, but certainly only one tier under him.

 

[Covert Rain]

Did you forget about Kurt Warner? I don't know if you are old enough to remember but Jim Hart and Neil Lomax were some pretty good QB's also. Maybe not in Manning's league, but certainly only one tier under him.

I did not forget Kurt Warner. Sorry but at the time the Cards got him it was not the same scenario. Kurt was a QB desperate to prove himself and was considered done by most in the league. Not the same scenario.

Also, I am talking HOF QB's as free agents that teams would die to get their hands on. When is the last time the Cards landed a future HOF who at the time was one of the most sought after FA on the market? How many times have the Cards signed that guy?

 

[40yearfan]

I did not forget Kurt Warner. Sorry but at the time the Cards got him it was not the same scenario. Kurt was a QB desperate to prove himself and was considered done by most in the league. Not the same scenario.

Also, I am talking HOF QB's as free agents that teams would die to get their hands on. When is the last time the Cards landed a future HOF who at the time was one of the most sought after FA on the market? How many times have the Cards signed that guy?

There has only been 2 that I can remember. The Cards didn't have a shot at the first one, but they sure did at the second one. We were one out of 4 or 5 teams who had a legitimate shot at him out of 32. Not bad in my estimation.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Get 'em 9-0.

 

[Lorenzo]

I did not forget Kurt Warner. Sorry but at the time the Cards got him it was not the same scenario. Kurt was a QB desperate to prove himself and was considered done by most in the league. Not the same scenario.

Also, I am talking HOF QB's as free agents that teams would die to get their hands on. When is the last time the Cards landed a future HOF who at the time was one of the most sought after FA on the market? How many times have the Cards signed that guy?

HOF QB's are typically drafted, not signed. so I think it is hard to make a case that the cardinals have a problem there. peyton is a rare situation. even when drew brees signed with the saints, this was not the same thing. he was coming off of a serious injury as well, but in SD he was never considered an elite QB. that's why he signed with the saints right? considering the cardinals hit paydirt with warner(who was thought to be washed up) I could see how the manning situation would seem like a great opportunity to strike gold again, but like i said these things just rarely happen. most teams don't get those opportunities. they have to draft a qb or get lucky in some other way.

 

[LarryStalling]

HOF QB's are typically drafted, not signed. so I think it is hard to make a case that the cardinals have a problem there. peyton is a rare situation. even when drew brees signed with the saints, this was not the same thing. he was coming off of a serious injury as well, but in SD he was never considered an elite QB. that's why he signed with the saints right? considering the cardinals hit paydirt with warner(who was thought to be washed up) I could see how the manning situation would seem like a great opportunity to strike gold again, but like i said these things just rarely happen. most teams don't get those opportunities. they have to draft a qb or get lucky in some other way.

If Manning signs with Denver, I will double hate them for screwing us on another good qb.

 

[Covert Rain]

HOF QB's are typically drafted, not signed. so I think it is hard to make a case that the cardinals have a problem there. peyton is a rare situation. even when drew brees signed with the saints, this was not the same thing. he was coming off of a serious injury as well, but in SD he was never considered an elite QB. that's why he signed with the saints right? considering the cardinals hit paydirt with warner(who was thought to be washed up) I could see how the manning situation would seem like a great opportunity to strike gold again, but like i said these things just rarely happen. most teams don't get those opportunities. they have to draft a qb or get lucky in some other way.

I get what your trying to say but how often do you see the Cards end up with the #1 sought after free agent?

 

[chickenhead]

Whoever gets Manning, there are going to be a number of franchises who wanted him and didn't get him. A few whom he visited and they didn't get him. As soon as he signs elsewhere, the Cards' problem isn't Manning. It's their own QB position, we should just deal with it.

What if 2-3 years from now Manning is retired and in the booth on MNF, and Flynn is a top-tier QB? (Or perish the thought, Kolb?). I want to still be competitive then.

 

[LarryStalling]

The Cardinals realize that their window is rapidly closing to put together a winner. When you look at the veteran leadership on this team you have a a nucleus of core players that have been in the league for approximately 8 years. By the time theire current contract expires most of them will no longer be in their prime. Dockett and Wilson for example. It seems that most of the starters will be over 30 when their contracts are up. It is actually surprising how old the core of this team actually is.

 

[AZCardsWin]

i'm normally not an angry person. not a vengeful person. and i have no idea why i'm feeling vengeful right now. but i want our team to put a serious hurting on manning if we play them. and a REALLY serious hurting if he's a niner.

49ers- whether they get Manning or not- played us.. Period. By them getting "secretly" involved it stalled Peyton's process and forced Peyton's attention away from the Cardinals onto another NFC West team. If SF didnt keep this a secret, the Cardinals might have offered more up front. SF 49ers organization outwitted their arch division rival. Tough night for the Bidwill family.

 

[Paso Fino]

Are you sure the Cardinals didn't take themselves out of the picture because of the Kolb deadline. Isn't it at least possible that Manning wanted more time to make a decision and the Cardinals could have stayed in the picture? It bothers me that the Cardinals apparently didn't go to the trouble of checking Manning's ability to throw like other teams did. Does anyone really believe that the Cardinals front office is capable of dealing with a competitive free agent situation?

 

[azsouthendzone]

I want SF to sign him. I hate his dad, hate his bro, and hate his pumpkin pie haircut. I want two shots per year.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

49ers- whether they get Manning or not- played us.. Period. By them getting "secretly" involved it stalled Peyton's process and forced Peyton's attention away from the Cardinals onto another NFC West team. If SF didnt keep this a secret, the Cardinals might have offered more up front. SF 49ers organization outwitted their arch division rival. Tough night for the Bidwill family.

Yep...I despise that franchise...

 

[52brandon]

let A-Dub show again that he's not getting old by smashing him Edwards style. Going to SF is one of only a handful of things Peyton could do to make me dislike him

 

[JeffGollin]

Are you sure the Cardinals didn't take themselves out of the picture because of the Kolb deadline. Isn't it at least possible that Manning wanted more time to make a decision and the Cardinals could have stayed in the picture? It bothers me that the Cardinals apparently didn't go to the trouble of checking Manning's ability to throw like other teams did. Does anyone really believe that the Cardinals front office is capable of dealing with a competitive free agent situation?

No. The Mannings apparently were playing it cute under a few radar screens.

I think the Cards (like me) thought the Mannings would do things "straight arrow" (with each club given the same shot as the other - to provide the Mannings with an apples to apples comparison) only to discover too late that the Mannings making secret side-arrangements with at least one other team.

If it were me - knowing what we know now - i would have considered the whole mish-mosh as a colossal wheel spin and never gotten involved in the first place.

 

[gamebird98]

Its been said many times, the NFL is a business. This was strictly a business move...a move that would have been praised on this board if the Cardinals had done this. Any person that is looking out for themselves financially will do whatever they have to make a better deal for themselves. He didnt do anything that any of us wouldnt have done for personal gain.

 

[imaCafan]

No. The Mannings apparently were playing it cute under a few radar screens.

I think the Cards (like me) thought the Mannings would do things "straight arrow" (with each club given the same shot as the other - to provide the Mannings with an apples to apples comparison) only to discover too late that the Mannings making secret side-arrangements with at least one other team.

If it were me - knowing what we know now - i would have considered the whole mish-mosh as a colossal wheel spin and never gotten involved in the first place.
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+1 (If that means me too)....

 

[AZCardsWin]

I get what your trying to say but how often do you see the Cards end up with the #1 sought after free agent?

The part that bothers me most is Peyton giving the Cardinals the word they are out of the running for his services and keeping the SF 49ers in his sights. Basically saying the 49ers can win a Super Bowl and the Cardinals can't. Because everything other logical reason (dome, Larry Fitzgerald, small media market, etc.) says Arizona was the perfect fit for Peyton to continue playing in.

 

[JAB]

I get what your trying to say but how often do you see the Cards end up with the #1 sought after free agent?

I for one am proud of them and would focus more on the fact that they tried and made a real effort at not just a show for the fans. You make it sound like they have had the financial opportunity to do that every season since they've been in Arizona. This organization IMO is growing in leaps and bounds with the revenue that's comes with the new stadium. It's definitely disappointing but it's not like they didn't do their best. I will choose to focus on the fact that they went for it the best they could under what they believed was an honest consideration by Peyton Manning. I'm not going to blame them that the NFL is a business and Peyton Manning was having secret meetings at not being honest with the organization or not choosing us. As I said I will focus on the fact that they went for it and they're willing to do what it takes to win. Next time they will be more prepared for this kind of situation and will have a lot better chance of getting it done.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Definitely nightmare scenario unfolding. They took a big time jab at us too with the whole "let the wannabes exhaust themselves" line that came out of 9ers camp.

If he ends up a 9er I hope we break him in half and cripple their cap. Damn I hate 49ers. And Peyton too.

 

[ajcardfan]

Who got it worse? Seattle who badly wanted him but didn't get a visit? Or the Cards?


And, I do believe he threw the day he visited here. That's the only way the bag and Andre freaking Roberts being there made sense.

 

[40yearfan]

Who got it worse? Seattle who badly wanted him but didn't get a visit? Or the Cards?


And, I do believe he threw the day he visited here. That's the only way the bag and Andre freaking Roberts being there made sense.

Agree.

 

[Buckybird]

The part that bothers me most is Peyton giving the Cardinals the word they are out of the running for his services and keeping the SF 49ers in his sights. Basically saying the 49ers can win a Super Bowl and the Cardinals can't. Because everything other logical reason (dome, Larry Fitzgerald, small media market, etc.) says Arizona was the perfect fit for Peyton to continue playing in.

Didn't the Cards take themselves out of the running?