Plan for a Three-Peat!

[CaptTurbo]

funny thing is Campbell is twice the QB McNabb is. Its why Washington will continue to stink. They gave Campbell what 5 OC's in 5 years?

 

[JeffGollin]

Let's Make a Deal...

Like all of us (I'm guessing) Mitch likes nothing more than to curl up with a big pad of notepaper and a six-pack and move players around - from position to position and team to team.

Makes for a fun-March and April but most of it isn't likely to happen - major obstacle is that, while it's easy to make lists and move guys around on paper, it's a lot tougher when you're the GM of a team who has to work with real human beings - players, coaches, scouts, other GM's etc. - with real world circumstances that tend to gum up the works and favor the status quo.

Regarding Campbell - I like his potential, but from what I've heard, he and Anderson have issues with lack of accuracy. Campbell seems to be the most athletic of the two though. With BSP said to be returning, I don't think we'd carry 2 more backup vets (who have similar problems to overcome). And it's doubtful we'd drop the guy we just signed for the latest guy to hit the open market.

Regarding Reggie Wells - The whole situation with our O-line is a bit iffy - but the one stabilizing factor is our newfound depth - Bridges is capable of starting at LT without embarrassing us. Hadnot can double as backup center. Johnson and Keith may be finally "ready." To trade Reggie (whom I still feel should be given a shot at LT because of his nimble feet) would be to undermine that depth. (If we were rock solid at each starting position, I could see us making the leap of fate and trading him - but not right now, the way we're set up).

Regarding the Draft - I've been trying to set up a 300 player board based on (a) what I hear and (b) what my eyeballs tell me. What I'm discovering is that my final board is going to look bizarre. This is because there seems to be very little consensus on behalf of the various scouting services when it comes to rating players. It's crazy this year - all over the lot. I've got to assume that we'd find the same thing from team to team. The temptation is to not trust your own instincts and this would be a mistake. But if you stick to your guns, you're board (compared to Mayock, McShay etc. etc.) will look like aliens have taken it over. Nevertheless, hang in there.

There is a divergence in (a) the way you rate guys based their own merits (& your team's needs) and (b) the way they'll actually come off the board (and the way you think they'll come off the board). And this is a good thing - Where the Cardinal scouting dept. makes its money is when guys they rate highly are passed over by the other 31 teams. It happens every year. I suspect it will this year - which is why doing 7 round mocks is really really hard to pull off (because the a higher rated player who falls to us will invariably trump the guy we've jotted down in our mock).

 

[Oly]

funny thing is Campbell is twice the QB McNabb is. Its why Washington will continue to stink. They gave Campbell what 5 OC's in 5 years?

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[dreamcastrocks]

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He has a hate for McNabb that rivals some of the hate we see for Leinart here. Purposely not naming names for the sake of the guilty.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

funny thing is Campbell is twice the QB McNabb is. Its why Washington will continue to stink. They gave Campbell what 5 OC's in 5 years?

Hilarious is how I would describe this assertion.

 

[CardLogic]

Anyways, regardless of the company-speak coming out of Jason Campbell's mouth, I bet he would jump at a change of scenery.

In the just held press conference, in DC, to welcome McNabb, Shanahan stated, he had lunch with Campbell yesterday and have given him the permission to seek a starter's job with another organization. But if that doesn't work out, expects that Campbell will continue to give 110% with the Redskins. (my paraphrase)

FWIW.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Mitch, You know how I'm always telling you I enjoy/appreciate/learn from your posts? Houston, we have an exception. I'm working real hard to love me some Matty. You're not making my quest any easier here.

 

[PoolBoy]

I wish I knew more about the players in the draft so I could judge the second half, but I'm gonna have to assume the players he wants drafted I want nowhere near the state of Arizona.

 

[TJ]

I wish I knew more about the players in the draft so I could judge the second half, but I'm gonna have to assume the players he wants drafted I want nowhere near the state of Arizona.

San Francisco, CA??

 

[Mitch]

Mitch, You know how I'm always telling you I enjoy/appreciate/learn from your posts? Houston, we have an exception. I'm working real hard to love me some Matty. You're not making my quest any easier here.

Dems, I just don't understand what people see in Leinart. The rest of the USA is pretty much feeling the same way. He looks scared in the pocket and his throws are consistently rushed and high. His numbers corroborate this. Ask Anquan Boldin who had to miss the playoffs because of it.

And the thing that mystifies me even more is why so many here actually think Whiz really plans to stick with Leinart this year. Whiz didn't draft him, he's bypassed him before and quite frankly if the Cardinals are inquiring about McNabb and trying to offer a 3rd round draft pick for Charlie Whitehurst and offer Derek Anderson an insanely loaded contract with incentives, how does all of these maneuverings suggest Whiz has confidence in Leinart?

Plus.., the circumstances of Leinart's contract suggest this is his last year in Arizona regadless of what happens.

Do you think Whiz want to experiment with Leinart for a year, knowing that likely the team will lose it's grasp on the NFC West and have to part ways with Leinart anyway?

Whiz is smarter than all of this. He's been talking up Leinart in the hopes that he can either get something out of him this year if need be or he can get someone to trade for him. There is no legitimate trust in Leinart from Whiz. It's all been coach-speak.

 

[green machine]

Dems, I just don't understand what people see in Leinart. The rest of the USA is pretty much feeling the same way. He looks scared in the pocket and his throws are consistently rushed and high. His numbers corroborate this. Ask Anquan Boldin who had to miss the playoffs because of it.

And the thing that mystifies me even more is why so many here actually think Whiz really plans to stick with Leinart this year. Whiz didn't draft him, he's bypassed him before and quite frankly if the Cardinals are inquiring about McNabb and trying to offer a 3rd round draft pick for Charlie Whitehurst and offer Derek Anderson an insanely loaded contract with incentives, how does all of these maneuverings suggest Whiz has confidence in Leinart?

Plus.., the circumstances of Leinart's contract suggest this is his last year in Arizona regadless of what happens.

Do you think Whiz want to experiment with Leinart for a year, knowing that likely the team will lose it's grasp on the NFC West and have to part ways with Leinart anyway?

Whiz is smarter than all of this. He's been talking up Leinart in the hopes that he can either get something out of him this year if need be or he can get someone to trade for him. There is no legitimate trust in Leinart from Whiz. It's all been coach-speak.

Mitch, Boldin missed time in last year's playoffs too without Matt throwing him a single pass. The guy is injury prone, can't blame Leinart for that.

As for saying Whiz's statements are coachspeak, that is purely conjecture on your part, just as the talk about the Cards inquiring about McNabb was - the team, the whole time, said they had no interest.

 

[SuperSpck]

I liked Campbell coming out of school and I don't think we've gotten to see the best of what he's capable of.
He's had more changes in OC's than most players, including in school.
Last year he dealt with a disintagraiting offensive line, a full squad of rotating running backs, and the one-year wonder that is Santana Moss.
If if wasn't for Thomas flashing on the outside later in the season they'd have been one of the ugliest offenses in the NFL.
Yes, part of that is on Campbell, but if he were a FA I'd be higher on him than on Anderson, whom I am not un-pleased with as a signing.
If he becomes available next year and either or the Cardinal QBs shows they don't need to be on the roster, then I've very interested.

 

[SuperSpck]

Also, the jpegs alone on this thread are worth the price of admission.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Mitch, My feelings are very simple: It really looks like Matt is going to be our QB this year. I want to believe in him. I want him to be so terrific that all of the haters are on their knees begging for forgiveness.

I agree he's looked scared in the pocket. And listless. I don't think there is any fire in the guy. A few months ago I posted that I wanted to set off an M-80 under his butt.

If there is nothing but coach-speak coming out of Whiz I've got one question: Does Whiz have an ace up his sleeve? Who is the guy that's going to come out of the tunnel like Shane Falco in "The Replacements" and make all of us stand up and cheer while wiping the flop sweat from our brows?

If we haven't got anyone else I need to believe in my QB. And that's ML.

 

[Oly]

Dems, I just don't understand what people see in Leinart. The rest of the USA is pretty much feeling the same way. He looks scared in the pocket and his throws are consistently rushed and high. His numbers corroborate this. Ask Anquan Boldin who had to miss the playoffs because of it.

Aren't those same people saying the same types of things about Jason Campbell yet, you want to bring him in to be our starter Just maybe they're all wrong.

And the thing that mystifies me even more is why so many here actually think Whiz really plans to stick with Leinart this year. Whiz didn't draft him, he's bypassed him before and quite frankly if the Cardinals are inquiring about McNabb and trying to offer a 3rd round draft pick for Charlie Whitehurst and offer Derek Anderson an insanely loaded contract with incentives, how does all of these maneuverings suggest Whiz has confidence in Leinart?

Instead of reading in between the lines why don't you simply take what Whisenhunt said himself as fact and that's that Matt has earned the right to be the number one guy and is going to be given that opportunity.

Plus.., the circumstances of Leinart's contract suggest this is his last year in Arizona regadless of what happens.

you actually don't see any way of them redoing a contract if he has a successful season?

Do you think Whiz want to experiment with Leinart for a year, knowing that likely the team will lose it's grasp on the NFC West and have to part ways with Leinart anyway?

Whiz is smarter than all of this. He's been talking up Leinart in the hopes that he can either get something out of him this year if need be or he can get someone to trade for him. There is no legitimate trust in Leinart from Whiz. It's all been coach-speak.

If all that was true and all we had to do is trade a second round pick and a third or fourth next year to get McNabb don't you think Whisenhunt in all his wisdom would've done that. And don't you think the Eagles would've much rather he went to us than the Redskins. Just maybe, Whisenhunt has passed on almost all other quarterback options because he actually believes what he's saying and Matt just might be his guy.

 

[BigDavis75]

Aren't those same people saying the same types of things about Jason Campbell. Yet, you want to bring him in to be our starter? Just maybe they're all wrong.



Instead of reading in between the lines why don't you simply take what Whisenhunt said himself as fact. And that's that Matt has earned the right to be the number one guy and is going to be given that opportunity this year.

He is the number one guy by the virtue of Kurt's retirement, he didn't earn the starting spot in any way. He certainly didn't earn it by showing his potential every time he stepped on the field or by working tirelessly every week to get better, this job fell into his lap.

Mitch, I would also challenge your assertion that this is Matt's last year, if he plays very well then he is worth the money on the last year of the deal. If Matt proves to be a successful QB, a figure in excess of 10 million should not scare us away at the highest paid position in the league.

 

[Mitch]

I liked Campbell coming out of school and I don't think we've gotten to see the best of what he's capable of.
He's had more changes in OC's than most players, including in school.
Last year he dealt with a disintagraiting offensive line, a full squad of rotating running backs, and the one-year wonder that is Santana Moss.
If if wasn't for Thomas flashing on the outside later in the season they'd have been one of the ugliest offenses in the NFL.
Yes, part of that is on Campbell, but if he were a FA I'd be higher on him than on Anderson, whom I am not un-pleased with as a signing.
If he becomes available next year and either or the Cardinal QBs shows they don't need to be on the roster, then I've very interested.

I agree with you, Super. But why wait? Get a deal done. This guy is so much more athletic than ML or DA, and he's coming off three straight season as a starter, which neither ML or DA has. This means a lot...as in stepping in right away and putting the experience to use. Imagine how delighted he's be to be playing for Whiz and playing in this offense? Wow.

 

[Mitch]

He is the number one guy by the virtue of Kurt's retirement, he didn't earn the starting spot in any way. He certainly didn't earn it by showing his potential every time he stepped on the field or by working tirelessly every week to get better, this job fell into his lap.

Mitch, I would also challenge your assertion that this is Matt's last year, if he plays very well then he is worth the money on the last year of the deal. If Matt proves to be a successful QB, a figure in excess of 10 million should not scare us away at the highest paid position in the league.

BigDavis: the Cardinals were reluctant to pay KW $12M a year...there is NO way they will pay Leinart $14M to stick around for one more year. NO WAY, my friend. This is why you will see in the weeks ahead there will be some kind of a move at the QB position which will nip this all in the bud...either by a trade or a high draft pick. Whiz is NOT going to sit still on this one...there is not one iota of a chance for that.

 

[Oly]

He is the number one guy by the virtue of Kurt's retirement, he didn't earn the starting spot in any way. He certainly didn't earn it by showing his potential every time he stepped on the field or by working tirelessly every week to get better, this job fell into his lap.

I never said he did Whisenhunt said it.

""Matt has earned the right to be 'The Guy,' "

Mitch, I would also challenge your assertion that this is Matt's last year, if he plays very well then he is worth the money on the last year of the deal. If Matt proves to be a successful QB, a figure in excess of 10 million should not scare us away at the highest paid position in the league.

You're absolutely correct IMO if he has a good year that's not a big concerne.

 

[DoTheDew]

I agree with you, Super. But why wait? Get a deal done. This guy is so much more athletic than ML or DA, and he's coming off three straight season as a starter, which neither ML or DA has. This means a lot...as in stepping in right away and putting the experience to use. Imagine how delighted he's be to be playing for Whiz and playing in this offense? Wow.

I don't think it matters much how athletic he is. Warner wasn't very athletic. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady aren't freakish athletes. I don't care how "athletic" the QB is. Is Campbell better than ML right now? Yes he is I don't think anyone on here would argue that.

Is it worth trading draft picks away to get an above average QB who may not be on the team after this year anyway? No. Campbell isn't good enough to bring us a Superbowl. If he was the Redskins wouldn't have traded for McNabb. I don't want to throw a bunch of picks away for short term improvements at the QB position. Campbell would only be a band-aid for our QB issues not the cure. I'd much rather draft a QB who can be the cure this year or next year than waste time locking ourselves in with a guy who isn't going to take us to Superbowls.

 

[Mitch]

Aren't those same people saying the same types of things about Jason Campbell yet, you want to bring him in to be our starter Just maybe they're all wrong.



Instead of reading in between the lines why don't you simply take what Whisenhunt said himself as fact and that's that Matt has earned the right to be the number one guy and is going to be given that opportunity.



you actually don't see any way of them redoing a contract if he has a successful season?



If all that was true and all we had to do is trade a second round pick and a third or fourth next year to get McNabb don't you think Whisenhunt in all his wisdom would've done that. And don't you think the Eagles would've much rather he went to us than the Redskins. Just maybe, Whisenhunt has passed on almost all other quarterback options because he actually believes what he's saying and Matt just might be his guy.

Oly, take a look at Cambell's stats last year...they are very close to KW's...despite the fact that Campbell was playing behind what was arguably the worst o-line in the NFC. Even the scouts at Scouts, Inc. rave about his skills. Read what they say about Campbel and then read what they say about Leinart. There is no comparison...it ends right away with "Campbell can make all the throws." Plus he has the feet, Oly, I'm just saying...the feet, my man!

 

[jefftheshark]

Let's now go and THREE-PEAT!

I must have missed the first two peats.

JTS

 

[earthsci]

ABM, right?

 

[Stout]

BigDavis: the Cardinals were reluctant to pay KW $12M a year...there is NO way they will pay Leinart $14M to stick around for one more year. NO WAY, my friend. This is why you will see in the weeks ahead there will be some kind of a move at the QB position which will nip this all in the bud...either by a trade or a high draft pick. Whiz is NOT going to sit still on this one...there is not one iota of a chance for that.

And when that doesn't happen, will you come on here and admit you were just off-the-wall wrong about it? I mean, you get mad when people call you on your crazy predictions, but you never seem to own up to it when they don't come true. I'm wondering if you'll man up on this one.

 

[Stout]

Dems, I just don't understand what people see in Leinart. The rest of the USA is pretty much feeling the same way. He looks scared in the pocket and his throws are consistently rushed and high. His numbers corroborate this. Ask Anquan Boldin who had to miss the playoffs because of it.

And the thing that mystifies me even more is why so many here actually think Whiz really plans to stick with Leinart this year. Whiz didn't draft him, he's bypassed him before and quite frankly if the Cardinals are inquiring about McNabb and trying to offer a 3rd round draft pick for Charlie Whitehurst and offer Derek Anderson an insanely loaded contract with incentives, how does all of these maneuverings suggest Whiz has confidence in Leinart?

Plus.., the circumstances of Leinart's contract suggest this is his last year in Arizona regadless of what happens.

Do you think Whiz want to experiment with Leinart for a year, knowing that likely the team will lose it's grasp on the NFC West and have to part ways with Leinart anyway?

Whiz is smarter than all of this. He's been talking up Leinart in the hopes that he can either get something out of him this year if need be or he can get someone to trade for him. There is no legitimate trust in Leinart from Whiz. It's all been coach-speak.

Okay, that's a false, a false, and a possible misinterpretation of a contract. We didn't inquire about McNabb. Unless you've seen it reported from a credible source within the team. You and a few others have been slinging this made-up garbage around. It didn't happen, but because the fabrication fits your agenda, you run with it. It just undermines your argument, you know.

Also, we have no idea what was actually being offered for Whitehurst. It could have been a 3rd rounder, or it could have been a 6th rounder. They could have settled for less than the tender round pick.

Finally, yeah, DA signed an incentive-laden deal. That means he isn't getting paid a mountain of guaranteed money. That could very easily mean that he's meant to be the backup.

Mitch, you're really going off the wall with some of your stuff lately, man. You've reverted to just making things up now, or at the least running with others' fabrications, to make your points.