Playoffs - It ain't over...

[slanidrac16]

Help me out here bud... Are you saying head to head competition isn't the first tie breaker? I understand the 49er deal, because if we beat them in wk 17, we basically tie the season, and other tie breakers will come into play.. But if we beat carolina head to head, and we end up tied in the standings, shouldnt we hold the tie breaker regardless of anything else?

That's what I thought...

 

[Buckybird]

Help me out here bud... Are you saying head to head competition isn't the first tie breaker? I understand the 49er deal, because if we beat them in wk 17, we basically tie the season, and other tie breakers will come into play.. But if we beat carolina head to head, and we end up tied in the standings, shouldnt we hold the tie breaker regardless of anything else?

3 team ties have differant tie breakers

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I agreed with that. Dallas, Denver, NY & Oakland have always been horror shows for the Cards in the past especially in winning.

I believe the cards have beaten the sowgirls 6 in a row.

 

[sundevil04]

That's what I thought...

In a 2 way tie you use head to head as the 1st tie breaker. If there are 3 or more teams tied with the same record, then head to head doesn't matter, you use division record etc

think of it this way in a 3 way tie if you were to use head to head as teh 1st tie breaker. We beat the Panthers, therefore we should go over them...but they beat the niners so the panthers should go over the niners...but the niners beat us so they should go over us....so who goes??

that's why they throw out head to head unless its a 2 way tie

 

[Bert]

We're probably not gonna make it but if we wind up winning even 1 more and finishing this year with a winning record I'm going to be THRILLED. 10-6? That would be freaking awesome.

8-8 is worst case scenario and going into this year looking at our schedule if you told me 8-8 I would have been really excited. Lots of good things to build on I'm really proud of what this team has done this year.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Help me out here bud... Are you saying head to head competition isn't the first tie breaker? I understand the 49er deal, because if we beat them in wk 17, we basically tie the season, and other tie breakers will come into play.. But if we beat carolina head to head, and we end up tied in the standings, shouldnt we hold the tie breaker regardless of anything else?

TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.
Two Clubs

Head-to-head, if applicable.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss.
Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss
When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.

 

[Buckybird]

I believe the cards have beaten the sowgirls 6 in a row.

In AZ

Prolly won 5 times in Dallas in 30 years

 

[gmabel830]

To kind of summarize this (to my understanding)...

If Cards, Niners and Panthers all finish at 11-5...

First step would be breaking tie between Cards and Niners, which the Niners would win due to better division record.

Then the Niners and Panthers were break their tie with Carolina getting the advantage due to head to head.

So Carolina would be #5, San Fran would be #6, and Cards would be #7.

TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.
Two Clubs

Head-to-head, if applicable.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss.
Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss
When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.

 

[Cheesebeef]

man...we really need the Panthers to lose ONE of those uber close games they won coming down to the last minute three weeks in a row v. SF, NE and the Dolphins. we'd be in a solid position right now if that had happened.

 

[gmabel830]

man...we really need the Panthers to lose ONE of those uber close games they won coming down to the last minute three weeks in a row v. SF, NE and the Dolphins. we'd be in a solid position right now if that had happened.

Or we could have beaten St Louis in week one or Philly last week.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Or we could have beaten St Louis in week one or Philly last week.

Agreed. That's better put.

 

[Buckybird]

To kind of summarize this (to my understanding)...

If Cards, Niners and Panthers all finish at 11-5...

First step would be breaking tie between Cards and Niners, which the Niners would win due to better division record.

Then the Niners and Panthers were break their tie with Carolina getting the advantage due to head to head.

So Carolina would be #5, San Fran would be #6, and Cards would be #7.

Which is why I said the Niners beating the Hawks was almost the dagger to our hearts! It missed by a 1/4"

We're on life support unless the Saints can get the Cats twice & the Falcons do it also.

 

[Buckybird]

I believe the cards have beaten the sowgirls 6 in a row.

I figured it up...do you want to know? Sit down & get your difibulator ready
Since 1970: Cowpies 28
Big Red 6

And most have been blowouts

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Or we could have beaten St Louis in week one or Philly last week.

Both looming large right now

 

[Cheesebeef]

Which is why I said the Niners beating the Hawks was almost the dagger to our hearts! It missed by a 1/4"

We're on life support unless the Saints can get the Cats twice & the Falcons do it also.

Yup. The Panthers pretty much have to completely fall apart. And we have to basically win out.

 

[BigRedFan]

To make the playoffs, we have to win out (for all practical purposes).

If SF loses to either Tampa, or Atlanta, assuming the above, we are in.

If SF beats both Tampa and Atlanta, Carolina must lose to either the Jets or the Falcons, as well as the Saints.

So an upset in 1 of the 4 key games, gives us a very good chance assuming we win out.

Not good odds, but not hopeless either. Go Falcons!

 

[CT Card Fan]

If SF beats TB and Atlanta, we can lose one game and be 10-6 and get in as long as Carolina loses 2 of 3. SF would be 11-5 and get the 5 seed. We'd be 10-6 along with Carolina and have the head to head. This assumes none of the East or North teams complicates things by going 10-6 and not winning their division to cause a 3-way tie.

 

[Cardiac]

We have to beat the Titans and 9ers. Panthers need to lose to the Saints again and either the Jets or Falcons. Only loss the 9ers can have is against us. Is this right?

 

[Austin Zonie]

So, we beat SF and TEN and CAR loses again to NO and either the NYJ or ATL? That doesn't sound out of the realm of possibility.

 

[Cardiac]

So, we beat SF and TEN and CAR loses again to NO and either the NYJ or ATL? That doesn't sound out of the realm of possibility.

That's the most realistic scenario that I can see. Now if the Cards win out then this would be the best regular season EVER for the Cards.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

We finally won a division game, so I can lift my self-imposed anti-playoff chat gag order.

Losing Honey Badger will hurt us a lot more down the stretch than some think IMHO. We need both the Niners and the Panthers ti slip up to even consider having a shot at this point.

Everything else seems to be in place for a run. We can beat the Titans, and we can take the Niners here. The Panthers have a favorable schedule over the next three games (NO is very beatable on the road), but Newton has a tendency to disappear in big games.

We can only hope...

 

[CT Card Fan]

I'm thinking (or should I say hoping) it could come down to the final week.

Week 15: Cards over Titans, Panthers over Jets, Niners over Bucs

Week 16: Cards lose in Seattle, Niners over Falcons, Saints over Panthers (Saints road record is better than you think, Seattle disaster aside)

Week 17: 1:00 EDT Do Panthers lose on the road in Atlanta? If yes, then it is all in the Cards hands at home.

That would be all we could ask for.

This again assumes that all non-division winners in the East or North have more than 6 losses.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

OK, been playing around with the playoff scenario generator on Yahoo.

We need to win out, and either the Niners or the Panthers have to lose 2 of their last 3 for us to squeak in.

 

[Buckybird]

I'm thinking (or should I say hoping) it could come down to the final week.

Week 15: Cards over Titans, Panthers over Jets, Niners over Bucs

Week 16: Cards lose in Seattle, Niners over Falcons, Saints over Panthers (Saints road record is better than you think, Seattle disaster aside)

Week 17: 1:00 EDT Do Panthers lose on the road in Atlanta? If yes, then it is all in the Cards hands at home.

That would be all we could ask for.

This again assumes that all non-division winners in the East or North have more than 6 losses.

If all that happens, including the bottom part I might just fall over dead

I love the way everyone assumes were gonna win in Nashville, where we could potentially deal in cold & inclimate weather. Have we ever won there?

1 game at a time baby!!!

 

[Buckybird]

OK, been playing around with the playoff scenario generator on Yahoo.

We need to win out, and either the Niners or the Panthers have to lose 2 of their last 3 for us to squeak in.

Yep which is gonna be a tough, tough mountain to climb. The Cards are behind the 8 ball in all the tiebreakers.