Polarising situation for Kiem

[slanidrac16]

like him or not the guy really can’t win . At least until the season is almost over. No matter what he does, the free agents he sign and the players he drafts he is going to be wrong with 50% of us. It will not be until we see how to everything unfolds before he gets a fair assessment. Hide the key to the liquor cabinet. :-(

 

[kerouac9]

That's usually how it is. The good news is that his job performance is measured by wins and losses. I think everyone basically ends up falling in line because it's more fun to be excited in the preseason than in despair.

Go Keim! Go Kliff! Go Josh!

 

[JeffGollin]

I'm beginning to feel that human frailties can play a part in the rise or fall of a football exec or owner.

Case in Point - After turning around a chronically sad roster with spotty talent, S Keim finally brought us to a point where we had Arians outscoring everybody and a defense that actually could locate and punish the opposing QB.

We had a perfectly good football team - then everything collapsed into a pile of hot mess. What happened? My take: The three Amiigos (BA, Sk and MB) became legends in their own minds. They couldn't live with success. BA left. Our defense went south. Our GM offended the DUA gods. We're on our way thru Rebuild 2.0. Why is that? Hubris, Overconfidence, Spending too much time in the fast lane.

In short: good folks who went astray. I think they can get back to basics and put the franchise back on the right track, but it's not a sure thing. Success - can be a blessing or a great big hurdle.

 

[slanidrac16]

I'm beginning to feel that human frailties can play a part in the rise or fall of a football exec or owner.

Case in Point - After turning around a chronically sad roster with spotty talent, S Keim finally brought us to a point where we had Arians outscoring everybody and a defense that actually could locate and punish the opposing QB.

We had a perfectly good football team - then everything collapsed into a pile of hot mess. What happened? My take: The three Amiigos (BA, Sk and MB) became legends in their own minds. They couldn't live with success. BA left. Our defense went south. Our GM offended the DUA gods. We're on our way thru Rebuild 2.0. Why is that? Hubris, Overconfidence, Spending too much time in the fast lane.

In short: good folks who went astray. I think they can get back to basics and put the franchise back on the right track, but it's not a sure thing. Success - can be a blessing or a great big hurdle.

Biggest failure was not addressing the qb situation 5 years ago. Instead we paid Palmer a ton rather than having a rookie contract to be able to shore up other parts of the team thus trying to sign 1 year prove it guys. Paying Palmer was fine. Not finding his successor was not . Could we have spent 25 mil last year better than paying Bradford and Glennon?

 

[kerouac9]

Biggest failure was not addressing the qb situation 5 years ago. Instead we paid Palmer a ton rather than having a rookie contract to be able to shore up other parts of the team thus trying to sign 1 year prove it guys paying Palmer was fine. Not finding his successor was not . Could we have spent 25 mil last year better than paying Bradford and Glennon?

Meh. Hindsight is 2020. The first QB taken in the 2013 NFL draft was E.J. Manuel. The second was Geno Smith. In 2014 we could've had Teddy Bridgewater or David Carr, but I don't know if we're that better off. In 2015 the first QB we had a chance on was Garrett Grayson.

I think that the Cards would've pulled the trigger on someone who was reasonably available, but I think the bigger mistake was extending Palmer in August of 2016. I think the Cards would've moved more aggressively to get a rookie QB, and that could've inspired Arians to stick around.

 

[slanidrac16]

Meh. Hindsight is 2020. The first QB taken in the 2013 NFL draft was E.J. Manuel. The second was Geno Smith. In 2014 we could've had Teddy Bridgewater or David Carr, but I don't know if we're that better off. In 2015 the first QB we had a chance on was Garrett Grayson.

I think that the Cards would've pulled the trigger on someone who was reasonably available, but I think the bigger mistake was extending Palmer in August of 2016. I think the Cards would've moved more aggressively to get a rookie QB, and that could've inspired Arians to stick around.

Could have tried a little harder for Watson or Mahomes. Even it meant future picks.

 

[NJCardFan]

Could have tried a little harder for Watson or Mahomes. Even it meant future picks.

Bingo. They watched KC and Houston trade in front of us to draft these 2 guys. BASK drafted one QB in their 5 seasons and that guy was such a great QB that he's a TE now. Hell, Whiz wasn't any better drafting Lindley, Skelton, and bringing in Max Hall.

 

[sdscard4]

None of those dudes could even hold Carson's jock. I for one am glad that I got to see every moment with him as our Q.

 

[slanidrac16]

Bringing it back to today. This is not about the past. If we draft Murray, Plenty will roast keim. If he doesn’t draft Murray , plenty will roast him. The same will go with Bosa ( maybe to a lesser degree). If we trade out of the first pick he’ll get roasted for not taking Bosa. There are so many pieces to this off season that anything he does will be dividing.of course if it’s the middle of October and we’re 5-2 he’ll be a hero.

 

[Matt L]

I won't roast him if he doesn't pick Murray and I won't roast him if he does. He does deserve to be roasted for the previous drafts and last year's opening day roster.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

like him or not the guy really can’t win . At least until the season is almost over. No matter what he does, the free agents he sign and the players he drafts he is going to be wrong with 50% of us. It will not be until we see how to everything unfolds before he gets a fair assessment. Hide the key to the liquor cabinet. :-(

It's a crap shoot, roll of the dice on signings & players drafted but I'm excited as hell about it all. At least now they have a chance to get talent & have an uptempo offensive minded coach & a attacking defensive 3/4 coordinator. Much better excitement than last season, I knew after game 1 they weren't going very far, maybe by the 3rd quarter lol?

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Bringing it back to today. This is not about the past. If we draft Murray, Plenty will roast keim. If he doesn’t draft Murray , plenty will roast him. The same will go with Bosa ( maybe to a lesser degree). If we trade out of the first pick he’ll get roasted for not taking Bosa. There are so many pieces to this off season that anything he does will be dividing.of course if it’s the middle of October and we’re 5-2 he’ll be a hero.

I will be on cloud 9 if by October we're 5-2, that feeling would be in another galaxy compared to how I felt this past october. Sad thing is week after week they showed no improvements whatsoever & SW had a deer in the headlights look every time he was on camera. The rest of the season I was like "we're gonna have this guy as head coach for how long"? Breath of fresh air "right now" can't be any worse than last yr. Keim won't make everyone happy & has his work cut out for him but I'll be following every pick & signing like no tomorrow.

 

[Veer]

The longer I think about it, the Kyler Murray speculation seems to be a well played smokescreen by Keim. Talk him up, make another team bite. Bosa is a great player worthy of the 1st overall pick in this draft, and Keim knows this. But he also knows that there are so many defensive difference makers available in the top 10 and that teams desperate for a QB like to overpay. If we get a nice haul of picks in return and still a top notch defender defender in the top 10, I'm fine considering how many holes we have.

Drafting Kyler Murray 1st overall would only work if we get at least a mid 1st for Rosen and KK deems Murray the much better fit. Both things are questionable, but certainly possible. I still believe though it's Bosa or trading down for some valuable compensation.

 

[Finito]

Could have tried a little harder for Watson or Mahomes. Even it meant future picks.

This type of stuff kills me. It’s an imaginary argument

 

[RON_IN_OC]

This type of stuff kills me. It’s an imaginary argument

[emoji817]

Takes 2 to tango.

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