Poll: Robert Nkemdiche or Ryan Kelly if both are available

[ARZCardinals]

If both are there at pick 29?

 

[juza76]

Wow a Poll not made by SissyBoyFloyd
Ndemiche im pretty sure is not in Keim draft board
Center at 29 is a reach
At 29 we need a player who can give a important contribution in the superbowl run(an impact position)
U Can find efficient centers later in the draft
So u should put an option 3
Neither of them

 

[Finito]

The upside is just to much with Nkemdiche. He really does have special talent. I don't pass on that guy at the end of the first round.

Were in a position where we can take a flyer on a guy like this

 

[Zeno]

Wow a Poll not made by SissyBoyFloyd
Ndemiche im pretty sure is not in Keim draft board
Center at 29 is a reach
At 29 we need a player who can give a important contribution in the superbowl run(an impact position)
U Can find efficient centers later in the draft
So u should put an option 3
Neither of them

If anything we have learned from last year, this staff does not care if their first round pick doesn't make an impact in year one. For all we know there is some project sitting on their board that has loads of upside and potential that they plan to "red shirt" and be inactive for the entire season. Or at least that's what we've been told.

 

[Mitch]

While there are other players I would possibly consider ahead of C Ryan Kelly, if it came down to him and DT Robert Nkemdiche, the Cardinals would go with Kelly because of his leadership, his work ethic and his consistent production. Building the culture is very important to MB&BA&SK.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Not enough production from Nkemdiche and injury history with Kelly. I'd be surprised if we took either at 29.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

neither

 

[Buckybird]

neither

Amen John!

Adding Kelly isn't gonna be the reason or difference maker in propelling the Cards to a Super in the next 2 years & NBD has been a very overhyped & underperforming player throughout college. I'll pass on both all day & everyday!!!

 

[Bodha]

and death is not an option?



im kidding. Kelly.

Although Nkemdiche is the higher valued position, he is overrated. So says draft analysts themselves. He has all the talent in the world, but rarely consistently performs as such.


Kelly in round 1 would be a need reach, but he is a good player whos dependable and will probably be a cornerstone for the next 8 years.

 

[CFLredzoned]

http://walterfootball.com/draft2016positionreviewDT.php

From Walterfootball. Ouch:

"Nkemdiche has been ridiculously overhyped. On the field, he lacks awareness, consistency and rarely ever finishes a play. Hence, he has a total of seven sacks from three years as a starter. Off the field, Nkemdiche is a mess and his older brother is said to be a bad influence who will follow him to be part of his entourage in his NFL city.

Some sources have said that Nkemdiche isn't serious about football and wants to be a movie star rather than being possessed to be the best player he can possibly be. In the combine interviews, other sources said Nkemdiche came off as a stoner who was too good for everyone."

 

[Chainthroer]

I'd go for a center in rounds 3 or 4 - should be quality still available. Ndemiche has the prototype physique and lots of untapped potential. Cards should interview him and look at his tapes. It depends on the others available (my hope for a quality CB) at #29. If Ndemiche is the BPA, then he should be the pick. So, in answering the question, I'd go Ndemiche over Kelly.
Need the 3rd rounder for a Center. So, a trade up very far may not be much of a possibility if we're using the 29th and the 4th rounder as bait. Also, trading #29 would give us an extra pick. And, Ndemiche could fall to the upper part of the 2nd round.

 

[Jetstream Green]

While there are other players I would possibly consider ahead of C Ryan Kelly, if it came down to him and DT Robert Nkemdiche, the Cardinals would go with Kelly because of his leadership, his work ethic and his consistent production. Building the culture is very important to MB&BA&SK.

What if BASK feels that after 3 more than ten wins, the culture has been built and can afford a chance

 

[oaken1]

I would bet money nkemdiche is not anywhere on the Cardinals board.... they might pick him if he fell to the mid rounds..... but 29 is out of the question.

 

[pinetopred]

I would bet money nkemdiche is not anywhere on the Cardinals board.... they might pick him if he fell to the mid rounds..... but 29 is out of the question.

That's what I see to maybe in play on their board 3/4 round. Not much production from a headache it would be a different thing if he was highly productive, but hes not worth the risk IMO. So by default I voted Kelly but wouldn't be thrilled with that either

 

[ajcardfan]

They said similar things about Dansby and Dockett when they were in the draft. Honey Badger was far more tainted than Nkemdiche is now. They worked out ok.

You have to do serious homework on Nkemdiche. Some of the flak around him is probably real, and some is smoke.

 

[pinetopred]

They said similar things about Dansby and Dockett when they were in the draft. Honey Badger was far more tainted than Nkemdiche is now. They worked out ok.

You have to do serious homework on Nkemdiche. Some of the flak around him is probably real, and some is smoke.

Lack of production never heard that about any of the guys you listed., and none were 1st round picks. He may turn out to be a good player I'm not drafting him in the 1st round

 

[Buckybird]

Lack of production never heard that about any of the guys you listed., and none were 1st round picks. He may turn out to be a good player I'm not drafting him in the 1st round

Yessir

 

[Veer]

Kelly isn't a special talent, just a good prospect with a solid floor. I don't think he's worth a 1st rounder. That said, if Keim goes that route I would fully understand investing a late 1st rounder for being settled at the pivot for many years.

If Nkemdiche by some miracle is still on the board he would be my easy choice. He won't be there though. Talent is too huge to fall out of the top 20, even in a loaded DL class. Watching his tape, he was triple teamed more often than any prospect I've watched thus far. The plays he reportedly took off seem to be more frustration of being double and triple teamed all game long, including cheap shots, rather than lack of desire. His motor may not be the very best each and every down, but when big plays had to be made in big games he has always stepped up. I think we have the locker room to make him reach his potential which is a Suh type of player.

Nkemdiche is a guy that would immediately cause havoc inside on passing downs, and could play Mauro's left end role in our run stopping front. You can't block him with one guy, it's impossible. He not only beat single blockers in college, he absolutely wrecked them, especially Kelly in the Bama game. Against one of the best fronts he played like the 1st overall selection. Character and effort in garbage time against weaker teams are an issue, but he seems like a much more talented Dockett to me who could blossom into a leader down the road.

If we would pick top 20 I'd go for a safer prospect in terms of character. But if someone like Nkemdiche is there at #29 we can't let him slip away! The same can be said about Noah Spence who would easily be a top 10 pick if not for his issues. Nkemdiche though would be in the running for 1st overall. I'd much rather take that gamble on a dominant front seven than drafting an average C or DB.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

I could see the Seahawks or Broncos taking Robert in the first. If Elway

doesnt trade up for Lynch he could grab him to replace Jackson. Jerry

Jones could add Bosa or Jack in the first and this beast in the second

round. Teams are going to try and copy the Broncos. I would be thrilled

with the selection myself. Peters worked out last year for the Chiefs and

I would of loved him to the Cards as well. I wouldnt take him in the top

fifteen but at 29 I run up with the Card and do a dance before security

tackled me.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Lack of production never heard that about any of the guys you listed., and none were 1st round picks. He may turn out to be a good player I'm not drafting him in the 1st round

This is some of the Dockett evaluation:

On field production: Junior year: 2 sacks and 7 tackles for loss.

Character: Dockett pleaded guilty to petty theft, suspended for Sugar Bowl.

On field character: average worker, takes plays off, disappears at times.