Poll: who do you want in the first round

[Pariah]

You guys are talking about drafting a #3 WR at the 5th spot in the draft. To me, that's crazy talk...unless you're going to trade Q or Fitz for another first-round selection.

 

[Stout]

I think all 5 guys are going to be stars in the league and all worthy of the 5th pick. If you look at Frank Coyle's latest reports he ahs Ginn as the 7th ranked prospect.He's already creeping up the boards and he hasn't run yet. You just don't come across that kind of flatout speed in a football player very often. Anthony Gonzales is not a better prospect than Ginn. Teams don't go into games trying to stop him like they do with Ginn. He's very good and is a better "pure" WR but Ginn brings more to the table in explosiveness and big play ability. The reason i didn't put Reggie Nelson on the list is because there's no way in the world he's a top 5 pick. I like him, he's a good player but he'll be lucky to go top 10. I'm kind of surprised Jamaal Anderson isn't getting talked about more. That's who i voted for. I think he has Julius Peppers type potential. If i had to list my choices in order i would go Anderson/Thomas, Ginn, Peterson, Branch.

Well, if Ginn turns out to be another speed guy who just isn't a good receiver, then Gonzales will likely be better than him. I and some others think that's what Ginn is. He'd be a horrific pick in the top five. I'd take a flyer on him in the 2nd hoping he'd have Hester-like impact, but no way in the early first.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Al Davis would be horny for Ginn in the second round.

 

[az jam]

I'm kind of surprised Jamaal Anderson isn't getting talked about more. That's who i voted for. I think he has Julius Peppers type potential. If i had to list my choices in order i would go Anderson/Thomas, Ginn, Peterson, Branch.

The question on the poll is "Who do you want in the first round." I picked Thomas but don't think he will be there. If you has asked the question "Who do you think the Cards will take in the first round", I would have said Jamal Anderson because Thomas will be gone. Hope that makes sense.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

My board looks like this

Joe Thomas
Jamal Anderson
Gaines Adams
Branch

 

[red desert]

Adrian Peterson. No ifs ands or buts.

 

[Mitch]

I say...trade down three -four spots to add another 3rd rounder...and here goes:

1. Reggie Nelson, FS, Florida.

2. Quentin Moses, DE, Georgia

3A. Josh Wilson, CB, Maryland

3B. John Abbate, LB, Wake Forest

4. James Marten, T, Boston College

5. Leron McClain, FB, Alabama

6. Mike Otto, T, Purdue

Free agents:

CB Assante Samuel (NE...5 yr. $38M...$8M signing bonus)

LB Lance Briggs (CHI...4 yr. $34M...$7M signing bonus)

WR/PR Shaun McDonald (STL...3 yr. $6M...$1M signing bonus)

G Eric Stenbach (CIN...5 yr. $35M...$7M signing bonus)

T Mike Gandy (BUF...4 yr. $14.5M...$2.5M signing bonus)

 

[joeshmo]

Free agents:

CB Assante Samuel (NE...5 yr. $38M...$8M signing bonus)

LB Lance Briggs (CHI...4 yr. $34M...$7M signing bonus)

WR/PR Shaun McDonald (STL...3 yr. $6M...$1M signing bonus)

G Eric Stenbach (CIN...5 yr. $35M...$7M signing bonus)

T Mike Gandy (BUF...4 yr. $14.5M...$2.5M signing bonus)

Wow, Is that what you really think it will take to sign those guys?

You couldnt even sign those guys for that amount 3 years ago, maybe further, and before the new CBA.

Samuel and Briggs will both easily get 12Mill bonus, and thats a conservative projection. Both have already turned down offers that were 10-15 mill more total price already. Briggs turned down an offer taht was comparable to Urlachers and Samuels just got a tatoo thats says "get paid".

And besides the prices being out of whack do you really think we can sign the #1 CB, #1 LB, and #1 OL in free agency, or is this just a dream scenerio for you?

 

[Mitch]

Wow, Is that what you really think it will take to sign those guys?

You couldnt even sign those guys for that amount 3 years ago, maybe further, and before the new CBA.

Samuel and Briggs will both easily get 12Mill bonus, and thats a conservative projection. Both have already turned down offers that were 15 mill more total price already.

And besides the prices being out of whack do you really think we can sign the #1 CB, #1 LB, and #1 OL in free agency, or is this just a dream scenerio for you?

Thanks for the info on the signing bonuses...I need you as my my chief negotiator and capologist!

I think that we have a very good chance of signing Samuels and Steinbach. Briggs may be tough...I think he will re-sign with Chicago. And I think Adalius Thomas will re-sign with Baltimore. If that's the case...the Cardinals may have to look elsewhere for a WLB.

I am not high on re-signing Leonard Davis...I don't think he's a franchise player, nor does he deserve to be paid like one.

I am slo not convinced that the interior of our offensive line is set, which is why I want Steinbach and have Milford Brown battle Deuce Lutui for the other guard spot.

 

[Pariah]

I am slo not convinced that the interior of our offensive line is set, which is why I want Steinbach and have Milford Brown battle Deuce Lutui for the other guard spot.

If we can do this AND nab Gandy in FA, then I'm okay with letting Big walk. Gandy could be a decent stop-gap at LT for a year or two while they develop a young kid from the draft this year.

But, if we can't get Gandy in FA then I think we have to bite the bullet and franchise Big. The alternative is to leave a gaping hole on the most important position on the line (yes, I think it's STILL the most important position despite ML being a lefty).

 

[Brewster10]

Ginn is a game changer at WR... any Buckeye fan who tells you Gonzalez is the better WR is clueless... Gonzalez was only effective because Ted Ginn was drawing safety help on every single play leaving the other WRs matched up man to man or against LBs (when lined up in the slot)...

Without Ginn.. Gonzalez wouldnt even be in this draft, let alone being discussed as a 2nd round pick...

OSU's nightmarish offensive game vs Florida was in large part due to not having Ginn... the WRs couldnt get open at all because Teddy wasnt there to draw the attention of the DBs...

That being said I dont think we should draft him at #5... No Branch either... Somebody said the idea of Watson and Branch for an interior defense makes them happy... Well I've seen those two play DT together at Michigan and it's nothing special...

We need to focus on Joe Thomas, Adrian Peterson, and Jamaal Anderson... Those are the 3 best players who also fill needs

 

[Duckjake]

But, if we can't get Gandy in FA then I think we have to bite the bullet and franchise Big. The alternative is to leave a gaping hole on the most important position on the line (yes, I think it's STILL the most important position despite ML being a lefty).

I couldn't agree more. The 2003 season, and to some extent '04 and '05, is evidence enough of what happens when you leave gaping holes at key positions and then try to fill them via FA and the draft in one offseason.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

If we can do this AND nab Gandy in FA, then I'm okay with letting Big walk. Gandy could be a decent stop-gap at LT for a year or two while they develop a young kid from the draft this year.

But, if we can't get Gandy in FA then I think we have to bite the bullet and franchise Big. The alternative is to leave a gaping hole on the most important position on the line (yes, I think it's STILL the most important position despite ML being a lefty).

Gandy is a pretty awful LT, in fact the Bills moved him to guard for most of the season and Terrance Pennington (I believe a sixth or seventh round draft choice, not sure) outplayed him. If we can't get Joe Thomas, we could always get Joe Staley or Tony Ugoh in the second.

Oh, and something we should look into as far as KR go is BJ Sams from Baltimore. He's a fantastic pure kick returner and is a free agent this year. Or if we want to get it in the draft, look for Ryne Robinson in the fourth.

 

[SightsSoundsBach13]

I'm not judging him based on what school he goes to. The Michael Jenkins jab was a joke, dude. And the fact that the main reason you want him at #5 is to shore up our special teams speaks volumes. You don't draft special teams aces early in the first round, especially in the top ten. It's so unsound a draft policy it's incredible. Pacman Jones wasn't drafted because he was a great returner; he was drafted because he was considered a top corner, and he was ALSO a top returner. The rest of those guys weren't taken anywhere near the #5 pick. Since I wholeheartedly believe Ginn will be a terrible WR, I don't want any part of him at #5.

Kick returns are not the main reason I want him, look at my previous posts, as I was just trying to provide a different perspective.

The Detroit Lions are a perfect example of a WR corps that lacked speed. Martz had them sign then cut so many players to play at the 3WR spot, but none of them had the explosion he wanted. Not even Az Hakim, a previous stud at stuntin' in the Martz system. Because of this, safeties could corrall their receivers and eliminate the big plays. I think Furrey's longest catch was under 30 yards.

You may think it's ridiculous to take him this early, but will there really be that much seperation between him and Calvin Johnson in April? The games I saw of Ginn, the Penn St. game, the Michigan game, the Indiana game, the Northern Illinois game, he looked very impressive.

You are convinced he will be a terrible wide receiver, I take no issue with that, that's your opinion. However, the notion that we would take him as a KR or as a traditional 3WR are pretty goofy. However, it would create a difficult situation years down the road if he were to play his way into a starting role. I'm sure Boldin or Fitz would be convinced they should still be a starter and they'd try to take the next bus out of Arizona.

 

[Stout]

Kick returns are not the main reason I want him, look at my previous posts, as I was just trying to provide a different perspective.

The Detroit Lions are a perfect example of a WR corps that lacked speed. Martz had them sign then cut so many players to play at the 3WR spot, but none of them had the explosion he wanted. Not even Az Hakim, a previous stud at stuntin' in the Martz system. Because of this, safeties could corrall their receivers and eliminate the big plays. I think Furrey's longest catch was under 30 yards.

You may think it's ridiculous to take him this early, but will there really be that much seperation between him and Calvin Johnson in April? The games I saw of Ginn, the Penn St. game, the Michigan game, the Indiana game, the Northern Illinois game, he looked very impressive.

You are convinced he will be a terrible wide receiver, I take no issue with that, that's your opinion. However, the notion that we would take him as a KR or as a traditional 3WR are pretty goofy. However, it would create a difficult situation years down the road if he were to play his way into a starting role. I'm sure Boldin or Fitz would be convinced they should still be a starter and they'd try to take the next bus out of Arizona.

Agree to disagree. No worries. Since we're not going to take him anyway, I don't think we'll have to worry about it. Have a pint on me

 

[Brian]

Adrian Peterson. No ifs ands or buts.

Yep.

 

[Bobcat]

Hard to do this poll. I pick Joe Thomas, but he won't be there. It would be Ginn though, if Thomas isn't there.

Ginn won't suck in the NFL...healthy servings of crow will be served by my hand soon enough. You all can lap it up.[/QUOTE

I agree with you. Ted Ginn is like solving two (2) of our needs One (1) Speed Receiver, Two (2) A true Punt an Kick-off Returner. Heck that is like having Two (2) First Run Draft Choices in One (1).


BOBCAT

 

[Assface]

Right now I'm leaning towards Jamaal Anderson.

 

[Evil Ash]

Hard to do this poll. I pick Joe Thomas, but he won't be there. It would be Ginn though, if Thomas isn't there.

Ginn won't suck in the NFL...healthy servings of crow will be served by my hand soon enough. You all can lap it up.[/QUOTE

I agree with you. Ted Ginn is like solving two (2) of our needs One (1) Speed Receiver, Two (2) A true Punt an Kick-off Returner. Heck that is like having Two (2) First Run Draft Choices in One (1).


BOBCAT

A kick returner is only good if the people in front of him BLOCK. Our returners haven't been the problem (although it could be improved), the ST blocking has been downright embarassing.

We aren't taking Ginn period. He's fast but he has questionable hands and is considered a poor route-runner.

 

[PACardsFan]

Ginn is a game changer at WR... any Buckeye fan who tells you Gonzalez is the better WR is clueless... Gonzalez was only effective because Ted Ginn was drawing safety help on every single play leaving the other WRs matched up man to man or against LBs (when lined up in the slot)...

Without Ginn.. Gonzalez wouldnt even be in this draft, let alone being discussed as a 2nd round pick...

OSU's nightmarish offensive game vs Florida was in large part due to not having Ginn... the WRs couldnt get open at all because Teddy wasnt there to draw the attention of the DBs...

That being said I dont think we should draft him at #5... No Branch either... Somebody said the idea of Watson and Branch for an interior defense makes them happy... Well I've seen those two play DT together at Michigan and it's nothing special...

We need to focus on Joe Thomas, Adrian Peterson, and Jamaal Anderson... Those are the 3 best players who also fill needs[/QUOTE

I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment. My pecking order would be: 1. Thomas, 2. Peterson, 3. Anderson. That pecking order is becoming more & more clear. I really don't think Thomas will be there, so I'm all for drafting Peterson. If neither are there, then go DE with the 1st pick.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Mitch, I like your line of thinking.

Here's my trade idea/thought..

If Peterson is there at 5, which is a good possibility, see how serious Houston is about taking him, try to get them to bite the bullet and give up their first and third to move up three spots.

At 8, take Landry or Nelson and stockpile picks.

It's not the sexy pick, and a lot seem to be on the "Pick Peterson" bandwagon, but honestly with the contract James has and the season he had (inspite of a growing o-line), picking another HB would be a luxury that the Cardinals aren't in the position to make.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Mitch, I like your line of thinking.

Here's my trade idea/thought..

If Peterson is there at 5, which is a good possibility, see how serious Houston is about taking him, try to get them to bite the bullet and give up their first and third to move up three spots.

At 8, take Landry or Nelson and stockpile picks.

It's not the sexy pick, and a lot seem to be on the "Pick Peterson" bandwagon, but honestly with the contract James has and the season he had (inspite of a growing o-line), picking another HB would be a luxury that the Cardinals aren't in the position to make.

I love the idea (that is if Joe Thomas is gone at number five, otherwise draft him), but I doubt that Houston trades up. The didn't want Reggie Bush last year and they didn't have to give anything up, I'm not sure if they'll be willing to sacrifice extra picks for AD. That said, a team like Green Bay would probably want to, seeing as how Marshawn Lynch might be gone. If we move down to sixteen, then we could take Levi Brown with our first, and Brandon Merriweather and Ryan Kalil with our two seconds. That sounds good to me.

As you said Peterson is definitely the sexy pick, but I feel that our lack of success this year should've taught us that it's useless to stock up on skill positions if you don't have the force up front to protect them. Edge is a great running back and a future HOFer, it isn't as if somehow on the plane from Indy to AZ he lost all of his talent. Give him a good line to run behind and he'll be great for us.

 

[lobo]

can lightning strike twice...see last year!!! there is better than a fifty fifty chance thomas is around...i am more afraid of cleveland taking thomas than detroit...detroit needs a future qb and quinn might fit the bill..cleveland is brutal up front....so we have russell, johnson quinn, anderson? and then thomas....don't dismiss it too quickly as we have a shot...if he is not there look for a trade down and a selection of levi brown...f/a might upset the applecart as well (duh)

 

[earthsci]

BPA with need in consideration. Joe Thomas if he's there. Anyone else other than a QB if he's gone.

 

[Zeno]

Like every year with all the talk of trading down what team realistically wants to trade up and is willing and able to give up what it takes to move up to the top 5?

I see talk of Houston trading up but they can stay where they are and select Peterson if we do not draft him, I don't see Washington or Minnesota taking him and unless Houston fears another team is going to trade ahead of them there probably isn't a lot of motivation. If Peterson isn't there I don't think Lynch is exactly chopped liver.

My top 5 for us at #5 and at least 3 of them will be there, probably 4...

1...Thomas
2...Anderson
3...Peterson
4...Nelson
5...Ginn