Poor coaching or dumb players?

[52brandon]

I was skimmin' over the obvious bits. I could point out the Cards dont have access to the Mud Dogs 'tacklin fuel' either.

There is a ridiculously long list of problems with this team. We cant name them all.

true, but I think by the end of the season our D will have GREATLY improved. We see flashes, but it's about getting it memorized as well as learning how to play to your teammates newfound strengths and weaknesses in this new scheme. Our special teams are already great (thanks for our only win PP). We have a legit runner, with another recovering from surgery for next year. We have what everybody evaluated as a great QB trying to settle in with a new scheme, no line, a constantly double covered all-pro #1 WR, and NO other threats. Our biggest TD play was Jeff King I believe, a run-blocking TE. Hopefully with Heap back it takes some/any level of pressure off Fitz and Kolb. If we pick up Kalil and a good young safety in this draft and acquire a real #2 WR in the offseason, I actually think we could be a very good team next year. We need to replace the OC though, I've seen some terrible play calls.

I know I'm in the minority, but I'm optimistic about this team. I still believe we have a lot of pieces and are short very few, chemistry being the most important. Chemistry cannot be forced, these players/coaches need to learn eachother which is where we were hurt the most by the lockout. Especially at the QB position. With Warner, he'd still get Fitz for 150+ a game. But he was damn near telepathic with his WRs. Kolb needs to develop that, or anything close to it. Everything with him looks so forced, out of sync, and just plain awkward. But the biggest question is how long to develop that? If ever? Pretty sure Desean Jackson will bail on Philly next year after they refused to extend him. If we can afford it, having him with Fitz would be a devastating combo, not to mention that him and Kolb have history. Hopefully our front office learned after letting Q, and then Breaston go, that we NEED to pony up on a number 2. We wont win without one. I may be (99% chance lol) dreaming with Desean, but we need somebody, there are plenty of good complimenting WRs out there. If we HAVE to be a passing team as the coaching seems to insist, do we deal Beanie for one and hope Williams can be our guy next year? There's a lot of questions, but if the Tackle positions are not addressed in the offseason, save a space for me in the Graves/Whiz lynch-mob, at this point it's inexcusable

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Really? So you're saying that Bellicheat, Reid, Tomlin or McCarthy would have this team winning 5 or 6 games by now? I respect your opinion Jetstream but here's why I disagree.

Give me Bilichick and we win against Seattle, Washington, New York, and Baltimore, nursing a 21 point lead.

So yes, we would have 5 wins.

 

[conraddobler]

Give me Bilichick and we win against Seattle, Washington, New York, and Baltimore, nursing a 21 point lead.

So yes, we would have 5 wins.

I never thought of that but yeah if we had the entire staff of coaches from there would we really be that good?

That's a really interesting question.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Really? So you're saying that Bellicheat, Reid, Tomlin or McCarthy would have this team winning 5 or 6 games by now? I respect your opinion Jetstream but here's why I disagree.

1)Did Coaching make Kolb throw a pick on a potential GW drive in Seattle?

2)Did coaching lead to the defense suddenly falling asleep in the last 2 mins against NY?

3)Did coaching lead to another 4th Qtr 2min defensive meltdown in Washington? I guess coaching made Stucky fumble too

4)Did coaching forget to play defense in the 2nd 1/2 of the Ravens game?

5)Has Coaching has made Levi & Keith suck as OT's?

6)How about all the blown coverages in our secondaty this year? Coaching?

7)Is coaching making Kolb bail in the pocket at the first sign of pressure? I'm sure that coaches haven't tried to teach Kolb not to do it.

8)How about all the dropped passes?

Trust me I'm not saying Wiz & his staff don't share some blame, but IMO everyone involved in football operations on Hardy Dr. has some blame. Players, coaching, etc. If Kolb or someone on D makes a few plays here & there this team would probably have won 3-4 games already & all this talk would be moot...but I also understand its not.

IMO this team isn't as talented as we all think that it is. Bad QB play, bad OT's & below average pass rushers lead to bad football. This team has more issues than just coaching.

In all respects you asked did coaching cause these problems. My answer is no and that is the problem, there seems to be no coaching involved...if so one would not see these problems. To me Bucky the rash of mistakes points towards these problems. An example is as simple as Grimm got by in his own career on pyhsical play at the guard position and it is obvious he does not know anything on how to teach a tackle to block with some skill on pass rushers. Does the staff under Whis protect his plans for winning by making sure the players perform without going careless into a game? Does our DB coach do his job properly with so many blown coverages? Does Kolb show any progress at all that a QB coach has mentored him when he seems to be getting worse. Sloppy play has nothing to do with talent as much as a mode of approaching a game which is formed by a coaching staff by the actions they enact on their players from day one.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I never thought of that but yeah if we had the entire staff of coaches from there would we really be that good?

That's a really interesting question.

I think so. How many times can you remember NE blowing late leads? It is very rare there. He has their players prepared and they execute in crunch time.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I think Whis does his job well enough, my problem with Whis is the staff which he has surrounded himself with

 

[52brandon]

I think so. How many times can you remember NE blowing late leads? It is very rare there. He has their players prepared and they execute in crunch time.

I think that's more of a reflection of how long his system has been in place in NE and how well they all know it, not how great he would be with a whole new team in his system

 

[Duckjake]

I think that's more of a reflection of how long his system has been in place in NE and how well they all know it, not how great he would be with a whole new team in his system

And yet some claim CKW is a great coach because he took a whole new team to the SB in only his second season. Billicheat would have this years team at 5-2.

Whisenhunt and Graves and Michael B are idiots for trying to do what they've done with the prep time shortened by the lockout.

Oh well rebuilding year #103.

 

[52brandon]

And yet some claim CKW is a great coach because he took a whole new team to the SB in only his second season. Billicheat would have this years team at 5-2.

Whisenhunt and Graves and Michael B are idiots for trying to do what they've done with the prep time shortened by the lockout.

Oh well rebuilding year #103.

Agreed. But it was a plan put in motion before the lockout. And to have not gotten Kolb would have been the biggest mistake the FO could have made. Seriously. Fitz wouldn't be signed right now and the fans would be ****ing losing it over the possibility of him walking. And with how sad the fans at games have been, the look on his face at the end of games, etc. He likely would have. Letting Fitz walk would destroy this franchise faster than ANYTHING.

I think the D is starting to stick. We see the glimmers of hope. They put together a phenomenal first half against B-more. They couldn't adjust due to lack of understanding the system deep enough. Plus Flacco, even after taking some good hits all day, a couple FF, was ****ing unbelievable in the 2nd half. His passing was so precise for a guy that got rocked for a full half

 

[kerouac9]

Agreed. But it was a plan put in motion before the lockout. And to have not gotten Kolb would have been the biggest mistake the FO could have made. Seriously. Fitz wouldn't be signed right now and the fans would be ****ing losing it over the possibility of him walking. And with how sad the fans at games have been, the look on his face at the end of games, etc. He likely would have. Letting Fitz walk would destroy this franchise faster than ANYTHING.

I think the D is starting to stick. We see the glimmers of hope. They put together a phenomenal first half against B-more. They couldn't adjust due to lack of understanding the system deep enough. Plus Flacco, even after taking some good hits all day, a couple FF, was ****ing unbelievable in the 2nd half. His passing was so precise for a guy that got rocked for a full half

You don't think that Fitz would've been happy if Andy Dalton were throwing to him right now? A.J. Green seems to be pretty happy with him.

The D was facing an inept offense lead by an inept quarterback. Ds that are starting to stick don't get completely dismantled after halftime when the game plan was to throw it to one guy.

 

[52brandon]

You don't think that Fitz would've been happy if Andy Dalton were throwing to him right now? A.J. Green seems to be pretty happy with him.

The D was facing an inept offense lead by an inept quarterback. Ds that are starting to stick don't get completely dismantled after halftime when the game plan was to throw it to one guy.

but some of those throws were unguardable. They were perfect. And nope, don't think Dalton would survive behind this garbage we call a line. He would look like a bust much the same as Kolb right now and Fitz wouldn't wait for the "fix", he'd be out

(and I'm not meaning the C/G positions on the line. We get beat on the outside constantly while Kolb fails to take advantage of the C/G provided room)