Possible poison pill to put into Q's offer

[Dave64]

I think there is a 15% increase in odoms contract if he get traded. Thats one of the posion pills Miami put in so Clippers would not match last year.

This is from a post on a board from realgm.com. I wonder if the Suns could add a "poison pill" like this into Q's contract so the Clips are less likely to match. Just curious. Dave

 

[Ryanwb]

He's already agreed to the current deal, they just can't go in and change anything.....

 

[elindholm]

I wonder how serious the Suns are about wanting Richardson after all. We've already had a lot of discussion about how the signing doesn't make much sense without a major trade for a center. It's possible that the Suns were just taking this as an opportunity to set Richardson's value, perhaps prevent him from leaving the Clippers for a different (stronger) rival. They may be genuinely ambivalent about the prospect of the Clippers retaining him -- as, let's face it, most of us are.

 

[Dave64]

I agree that the Suns may have been making a defensive move so the Nuggets did not sign Q. The Suns have already messed up the Mareicks and the Lakers plans with the signing of Nash. Our off season grade needs to factor those things in as well. More difficult to measure, but true nonetheless. Peace! Dave

 

[slinslin]

Conspiracy...

The Suns have the possibly best 1,2,3 rotation in the league now to put around Amare.
Why doesn't Richardson make sense? He can play. The Suns got almost no bench production last year and now they got either Richardson or Johnson who should be 6th man of the year candidates depending on who starts.

The centers that were available aren't much of an improvement of what Jake is and we hope Lampe will at least be.

And except for Shaq I wouldn't worry about any center killing us. Yao can almost be shut down by the likes of Vitali Potapenko. And if we run like we should with this roster opponents might have to adjust to us.

 

[cepstrum]

I wonder how serious the Suns are about wanting Richardson after all. We've already had a lot of discussion about how the signing doesn't make much sense without a major trade for a center. It's possible that the Suns were just taking this as an opportunity to set Richardson's value, perhaps prevent him from leaving the Clippers for a different (stronger) rival. They may be genuinely ambivalent about the prospect of the Clippers retaining him -- as, let's face it, most of us are.

It's a valid question, but It is a bit risky of them to do that unless they decide that they dont want to sign anyone else outside of nash and possibly q. They have effectively tied down all their money until at least the end of the month. They could have used that time to sign other free agents if they felt that q was going to be matched for sure.

I would think that they genuinly feel that q can be had otherwise they wouldnt have tied their money down, but with this organization you never know. Everyone is so quiet about everything, it's kinda creepy. No one has any idea of whats going on. This can definetly be a good thing though. Sometimes I wish bc was like bernie bickerstaff. That guy lets it all out to the media. But of course you can get screwed that way.

 

[Dave64]

And except for Shaq I wouldn't worry about any center killing us.


And if the trade with the Heat happens, then not having a center in the West will not be a big deal. Yao is not that great, and Shaq would be the Beast from the East.

 

[elindholm]

The Suns have the possibly best 1,2,3 rotation in the league now to put around Amare.

Better than Sacramento's?

 

[Dave64]

I would take Nash, JJ/Q, and Marion over Bibby, Christie, and Peja. Pretty close. The weakest player in the bunch is Christie, who does a lot of things well, but excells at nothing.

 

[slinslin]

The Suns have the possibly best 1,2,3 rotation in the league now to put around Amare.

Better than Sacramento's?

Yes.
Nash > Bibby. JJ > Christie, Marion = Peja and I think Q is better than Jackson too.

 

[Dave64]

SlinSlin, what time is in Germany? It is Saturday noon here in Arizona. Just curious

 

[F-Dog]

I wonder how serious the Suns are about wanting Richardson after all. We've already had a lot of discussion about how the signing doesn't make much sense without a major trade for a center. It's possible that the Suns were just taking this as an opportunity to set Richardson's value, perhaps prevent him from leaving the Clippers for a different (stronger) rival. They may be genuinely ambivalent about the prospect of the Clippers retaining him -- as, let's face it, most of us are.

I agree with this. It's also most likely that the Clippers will match the Suns' offer.


Of course, the flip side of 'ambivalent' is that the Suns really wouldn't mind having Q-Rich for this price, either.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yes.
Nash > Bibby. JJ > Christie, Marion = Peja and I think Q is better than Jackson too.

Slin - I don't know a whole lot of people that would agree with you on any of the above except for JJ being better than Christie - Bibby runs the second best offense in the league, shoots the ball extremely well and hits HUGE shots - plus he's much younger than Nash - I'd rather have Bibby - and as far as Marion vs. Peja - you got to be kidding me - we're talking about a guy who was being seriously discussed as an MVP candidate versus Marion who is a one time All-Star - Peja dwarfs his ass - and as far as Bobby Jackson - the guy is the best player off the bench in the league - he creates offense, can shoot the rock, plays tough D and hits big shots.

I just don't see where we'd have a better 1,2,3 rotation than the Kings - although with anyone else - we'd be tough to match.

 

[devilalum]

Slin - I don't know a whole lot of people that would agree with you on any of the above except for JJ being better than Christie - Bibby runs the second best offense in the league, shoots the ball extremely well and hits HUGE shots - plus he's much younger than Nash - I'd rather have Bibby - and as far as Marion vs. Peja - you got to be kidding me - we're talking about a guy who was being seriously discussed as an MVP candidate versus Marion who is a one time All-Star - Peja dwarfs his ass - and as far as Bobby Jackson - the guy is the best player off the bench in the league - he creates offense, can shoot the rock, plays tough D and hits big shots.

I just don't see where we'd have a better 1,2,3 rotation than the Kings - although with anyone else - we'd be tough to match.

Your assessment may be accurate but Amare will be MUCH better that anything the Kings have up front.

I hate Webber and he's not that good anymore.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Your assessment may be accurate but Amare will be MUCH better that anything the Kings have up front.

I hate Webber and he's not that good anymore.

oh I agree about that in the future - but that's not what we were talking about here - also this is team is so young - the Kings will still beat us this year and likely next based on experience and their talent alone - but heavily weighing on experience - that is if we get Q - if not - I still see us as early round playoff fodder.

 

[sunsfn]

Peja is one of the very best shooters in the league without a doubt.

However, when they got in the playoffs and someone put some defense on him he did not do anything to talk about.
Because of the terrible playoffs he had their were complaints from his teammates.

His defense does not compare to Marions! Next time the Kings are on watch and see if he plays any defense.

 

[devilalum]

oh I agree about that in the future - but that's not what we were talking about here - also this is team is so young - the Kings will still beat us this year and likely next based on experience and their talent alone - but heavily weighing on experience - that is if we get Q - if not - I still see us as early round playoff fodder.

Reardless I think early round playoff fodder is a good first step.

If they get Q I don't think its inconceivable that the Suns could win 50 games this year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Peja is one of the very best shooters in the league without a doubt.

However, when they got in the playoffs and someone put some defense on him he did not do anything to talk about.
Because of the terrible playoffs he had their were complaints from his teammates.

His defense does not compare to Marions! Next time the Kings are on watch and see if he plays any defense.

and what about those years that Shawn didn't even get his team to the playoffs or when they did he disappeared? Is his D better - yes - but that's not syaing much and I still don't see Shawn as anything but an average defender.

Do you really think there is one GM in the entire league that would take Marion over Peja?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Peja is one of the very best shooters in the league without a doubt.

However, when they got in the playoffs and someone put some defense on him he did not do anything to talk about.
Because of the terrible playoffs he had their were complaints from his teammates.

His defense does not compare to Marions! Next time the Kings are on watch and see if he plays any defense.

oh and you forgot to mention the complaints came from the biggest bitch on the team - Chris Webber - the man who single-handedly sent that team to the canvas - didn't they have the best record in the league while he was out and the offense ran through Peja - shocker that Peja struggled when a broken down PF started taking 23 shots a game and made the offense come to a screeching halt every time he touched the ball.

 

[George O'Brien]

oh and you forgot to mention the complaints came from the biggest bitch on the team - Chris Webber - the man who single-handedly sent that team to the canvas - didn't they have the best record in the league while he was out and the offense ran through Peja - shocker that Peja struggled when a broken down PF started taking 23 shots a game and made the offense come to a screeching halt every time he touched the ball.

This is not the Webber of old who was a great runner. His presence slowed down the offense and took away Peja's open early looks.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This is not the Webber of old who was a great runner. His presence slowed down the offense and took away Peja's open early looks.

huh- George - that's exactly my point. And then Webber bitched about his teamate even though he got thrashed throughout that series by Garnett.

 

[Gee!]

Yes.
Nash > Bibby. JJ > Christie, Marion = Peja and I think Q is better than Jackson too.

Nash better than Bibby? You been smoking with Jackson??

 

[cepstrum]

and what about those years that Shawn didn't even get his team to the playoffs or when they did he disappeared? Is his D better - yes - but that's not syaing much and I still don't see Shawn as anything but an average defender.

Do you really think there is one GM in the entire league that would take Marion over Peja?

I agree that peja was better than marion last season, however the difference isnt as astounding as the people in this thread are making it seem. Peja is much more of a one dimensional player than shawn, however what he does, he does very well. Shawn on the other hand is very good at a lot of different things, but nothing really stands out about his game.

Plus it's not really fair to say that shawn didnt take HIS team to the playoffs and Peja did. I mean you substitute marion for peja in the the kings and they would still make the playoffs, whereas you bring peja here those years and we still wouldn't have.

 

[NJYAJ09]

at this point in their careers I would say that Nash is better. You definitly want Bibby rather then Nash beacause of their age, but nash is a very smart player who knows how to distribute the ball well, and can hit down a mean jumper. Nash probably runs the floor a little faster then Bibby too.

 

[Gee!]

at this point in their careers I would say that Nash is better. You definitly want Bibby rather then Nash beacause of their age, but nash is a very smart player who knows how to distribute the ball well, and can hit down a mean jumper. Nash probably runs the floor a little faster then Bibby too.

Id take Bibby over Nash anyday.