Possible poison pill to put into Q's offer

[Evil Ash]

He's already agreed to the current deal, they just can't go in and change anything.....

Technically they can since he hasn't signed the deal yet. He can't sign until July 14th, so it is possible for them to add more "poison pill" clauses.

However in saying that I believe that they are done adding those types of clauses to his contract. I'm sure that there are enough already.

 

[cepstrum]

why are these discussions "rediculous" - so in other words Shawn can only play well in one type of tempo - running - well that is even more problematic since the opporunity to run in the playoffs is considerably lower than during the regular season - so then are we gonna have an ineffective Shawn Marion again?

And I'm not saying the kid went from all-world to nothing as far as regression goes - but you got to admit - his game to a stpe back last year - from a previous year when he was really good and seemed to be improving - and that was without Kidd - with Marbury running the show. So I'll ask again - does anyone else remember a great player or very good player coming into the prime of his career only to regress for even a single season at that point and then go on to do great things? I've been trying to think of guys - and I think it's an interesting topic - anyone?

We're gonna have to agree to disagree. I think we're both saying essentially the same thing. I think that peja was better than shawn was last year and I think peja is a better offensive player than shawn. Defensively it isnt even a question.

The reason I termed the discussion [font=&quot]ridiculous [/font]was because you were making it seem as though shawn had seen a significant dip in his numbers. I dont see it the way you do. What bothers me is that he hasnt gotten better, but he's still the same 20/10 guy he was two seasons ago. As far as your first statement goes, I didnt say that shawn was ONLY effective in the running game. The suns didnt run last year and he was still pretty damn effective.

 

[Bada0Bing]

Back to the original question, I heard on the radio that there is a stipulation in Q's contract that says the team must pay him an extra $5mil if they finish in last place.

This is almost certainly a joke.

Do you think the guys on the radio were playing a joke or these types of stipulations are a joke?

 

[cepstrum]

Do you think the guys on the radio were playing a joke or these types of stipulations are a joke?

I think they were just joking around when they mentioned it and I think the stipulations are a joke. I dont know for sure though, they just seem fishy.

 

[Evil Ash]

I think they were just joking around when they mentioned it and I think the stipulations are a joke. I dont know for sure though, they just seem fishy.

Exactly. I was listening to Gambo and Ash when this topic came up and all they did was speculate on what they could do to make it as difficult as possible for the Clips to re-sign him.

For example they brought up having them pay $5 million if they finished in 2nd place in their city last year, $5 million if they share their facility with another NBA team, etc.

The details of the clauses in Q's deal will come out once he officially signs his deal on July 14th.

 

[Bada0Bing]

Well if they were joking then they got me. They didn't act like it was a joke though.

Why are these stipulations a joke. What better way to guarantee Q that he is coming to a winning situation. If they're wrong, Q gets $5mil. What's wrong with that?

 

[Cheesebeef]

The suns didnt run last year and he was still pretty damn effective.

you think Shawn was pretty damn effective last year - at what? Because his effectiveness sure as hell didn't translate to wins.

But agree to disagree - I just want the kid to get his head out of ass and get over the fact that people get hit when they go to the basket - that was the Shawn Marion I liked - the one who actually wasn't afraid to go inside - this one spends way too much time jacking threes and avoiding contact and that is what dissapints me the most - he's wasting the game he has and has been doing so for the last three years IMO.

 

[cepstrum]

Well if they were joking then they got me. They didn't act like it was a joke though.

Why are these stipulations a joke. What better way to guarantee Q that he is coming to a winning situation. If they're wrong, Q gets $5mil. What's wrong with that?

I dont know if they are a joke or not. I just haven't heard anyone do this before.

 

[Bada0Bing]

Exactly. I was listening to Gambo and Ash when this topic came up and all they did was speculate on what they could do to make it as difficult as possible for the Clips to re-sign him.

For example they brought up having them pay $5 million if they finished in 2nd place in their city last year, $5 million if they share their facility with another NBA team, etc.

The details of the clauses in Q's deal will come out once he officially signs his deal on July 14th.

I think I heard that. What I remember is Asher trying to take the context of what was reported and try to make jokes. They weren't funny so he kept trying and trying. It started to get really stupid.

 

[cepstrum]

you think Shawn was pretty damn effective last year - at what? Because his effectiveness sure as hell didn't translate to wins.

The clips were worse than we were, but brand averaged a 20/10. Does that make him ineffective? Of course not. The fact that the suns didnt have a winning season shouldnt fall on shawn marion's shoulder. He was playing with a bunch of guys that should've been playing in college and not in the nba if you judge them by their ages. The guy did a good job last year and yes it would be great if he would drive to the hoop more often, but if he doesnt I still dont think he's ineffective.

 

[Evil Ash]

Well if they were joking then they got me. They didn't act like it was a joke though.

Why are these stipulations a joke. What better way to guarantee Q that he is coming to a winning situation. If they're wrong, Q gets $5mil. What's wrong with that?

There's nothing wrong with that. Its just that Gambo was told by his sources that the Suns were going to put things into his contract to make it as difficult as possible for the Clips to match the offer.

They were just joking/speculating what they could put into his contract to make it that way. There might actually be some truth about the clauses they were speculating about but at this point we don't know yet

 

[cepstrum]

Why are these stipulations a joke. What better way to guarantee Q that he is coming to a winning situation. If they're wrong, Q gets $5mil. What's wrong with that?

Also that kind of clause gives a player an incentive to throw games.

 

[elindholm]

If sure the guys on the ESPN board thought they were serious, but the vast majority of the posters there can't tell dung from Dungola, if you get my drift.

 

[Dave64]

The new boards at espn really suck, so some of that "dung" may be visiting soon. LOL

 

[Bada0Bing]

Also that kind of clause gives a player an incentive to throw games.

Throw games? I think you are taking it the wrong way. This type of clause is put into the contract only for the reason to stop the Clippers from matching. The suns don't believe they will be anywhere close to last and the Clippers always are. This make the Clippers thing twice about matching.

 

[elindholm]

This type of clause is put into the contract only for the reason to stop the Clippers from matching.

If the Clippers match the contract, they match every part of it. As a Clipper, Richardson would have a financial incentive to throw games.

It's a joke. Laugh and move on.

 

[Bada0Bing]

Okay pal, I'll let it go since I don't really have any legitimate sources. However, I still think it's a great idea.

elindholm, I don't want you forgetting about this idea if I'm proven right!

 

[elindholm]

elindholm, I don't want you forgetting about this idea if I'm proven right!

Trust me.

 

[slinslin]

If Q tells them not to match I think it is unlikely they will match an offer as big as this.

If they match they couln't even trade Q for month. They are probably trying to sign Fisher or Hudson and replace Q with Jaric at the SG spot. Or sign Sura cheap.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If Q tells them not to match I think it is unlikely they will match an offer as big as this.

If they match they couln't even trade Q for month. They are probably trying to sign Fisher or Hudson and replace Q with Jaric at the SG spot. Or sign Sura cheap.

no way Slin - if Kobe signs with the Lakers - they match Q in a heartbeat - they'd still have a truckload of money under the cap - Q's deal ain't that big.

 

[Bada0Bing]

elindholm, I don't want you forgetting about this idea if I'm proven right!

Trust me.

If you are wrong I'm going to create that quote as my signature.

 

[Evil Ash]

no way Slin - if Kobe signs with the Lakers - they match Q in a heartbeat - they'd still have a truckload of money under the cap - Q's deal ain't that big.

That depends on the clauses in his offer sheet. If rumors are true that the Suns put in all of these clauses, it may turn Q's deal from a relatively reasonable deal to an extremely expensive one for the Clippers.

For example, if they put 2 of the clauses I mentioned earlier ($5 million for finishing in 2nd place in a city last year, $5 million if he plays for a team that share a facility with another NBA franchise) that deal suddenly goes from starting at approx $6.5 million if he signed with the Suns to $16.5 million starting if he signed with the Clippers.

 

[Bada0Bing]

You're pretty funny Evil Ash.

 

[Evil Ash]

You're pretty funny Evil Ash.

I was exaggerating but my point is still valid.

Anything that makes Q's deal more expensive to the Clippers, may cause Sterling (the cheap SOB that he is) to not match the offer.

 

[cly2tw]

That depends on the clauses in his offer sheet. If rumors are true that the Suns put in all of these clauses, it may turn Q's deal from a relatively reasonable deal to an extremely expensive one for the Clippers.

For example, if they put 2 of the clauses I mentioned earlier ($5 million for finishing in 2nd place in a city last year, $5 million if he plays for a team that share a facility with another NBA franchise) that deal suddenly goes from starting at approx $6.5 million if he signed with the Suns to $16.5 million starting if he signed with the Clippers.

Evil Ash,

your proposed clauses explicitly discriminate one particular NBA franchise, the Clipps, and thus won't get approved by the NBA.

I was thinking that I would have inserted the following clause into the contract with Q: he gets 3 mil in addition to his salary each season when the average team salary over the season is more than 3 mil below the cap, and Q gets 80% of his salary for the next season upfront on 7/1 following that event. This ought to increase Q's salary to 9 mil the first year with the cheap Clippers instead of the 6 mil with the Suns committed to winning. I don't see the Clippers match!

Mind you the clause here is nondiscriminational at all. This just reflects the fact that the team promises to give Q more money when it has them under the cap.