Possible poison pill to put into Q's offer

[NJYAJ09]

Game 7 of the finals and you could either have Nash or Bibby and you take Bibby? What does he have over Nash other then age?

 

[Bada0Bing]

I think there is a 15% increase in odoms contract if he get traded. Thats one of the posion pills Miami put in so Clippers would not match last year.

This is from a post on a board from realgm.com. I wonder if the Suns could add a "poison pill" like this into Q's contract so the Clips are less likely to match. Just curious. Dave

Back to the original question, I heard on the radio that there is a stipulation in Q's contract that says the team must pay him an extra $5mil if they finish in last place. This was done hoping the Clipps would not take the risk of matching, since it would be hard for the Clipps to stay out of last place for 6 straight years.

 

[carey]

Overall I think Nash is a better player than Bibby. However, I'd rather have Bibby just for his performance in the clutch. He is much better than Nash at that, and better than anyone else on the Suns for that matter.

 

[elindholm]

Bibby plays better in control, sees the floor better, is a better defender, and has a lot of experience hitting huge shots. I like Nash as a player, but he isn't really in Bibby's class. If Kidd does not come back strong from his surgery, Bibby could be the best PG in the league.

 

[Chaz]

SlinSlin, what time is in Germany? It is Saturday noon here in Arizona. Just curious

Dave, I think Germany is 8 hours ahead of us.

Right Slin, you are 1 hour ahead of London?





BTW I would take Bibby over Nash but it is real close IMO.

 

[George O'Brien]

Dave, I think Germany is 8 hours ahead of us.

Right Slin, you are 1 hour ahead of London?

BTW I would take Bibby over Nash but it is real close IMO.

Bibby has been inconsistent over his career. In any case, I'm not sure you can compare guys playing in radically different offenses. For example, Nash gets a lot more assists than Bibby since he moved to Sacramento. Nash is a more consistent shooter than Bibby, although the difference is not huge.

In any case, Bibby was not available.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Game 7 of the finals and you could either have Nash or Bibby and you take Bibby? What does he have over Nash other then age?

HE HITS CLUTCH SHOTS - has at every level - High School - NCAA Title run as a frosh and throughout his career with the Kings - most notbaly when he almost single-handedly carried them to defeating the Lakers two years ago. I go with Bibby - the proven winner/champion every time.

 

[Chaz]

Bibby has been inconsistent over his career. In any case, I'm not sure you can compare guys playing in radically different offenses. For example, Nash gets a lot more assists than Bibby since he moved to Sacramento. Nash is a more consistent shooter than Bibby, although the difference is not huge.

In any case, Bibby was not available.

Ohhhhh, we are in the real world? Then I'll take the guy that is available.


They are both in the top 5 to me. Nash, Bibby, Kidd, Marbury, Cassell. Who am I forgetting that might push someone out?

Oh Baron Davis....


What is funny is 4 of those 6 have played or will play for the Suns.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I agree that peja was better than marion last season, however the difference isnt as astounding as the people in this thread are making it seem. Peja is much more of a one dimensional player than shawn, however what he does, he does very well. Shawn on the other hand is very good at a lot of different things, but nothing really stands out about his game.

Plus it's not really fair to say that shawn didnt take HIS team to the playoffs and Peja did. I mean you substitute marion for peja in the the kings and they would still make the playoffs, whereas you bring peja here those years and we still wouldn't have.

you substitute Marion for Peja this last season and I guarantee you the Kings don't have the best record in the league up to the point Webber comes back. Also Peja is a scorer - the guy does actually drive to the hoop and posts because of his size - people thinking he's just a shooter don't watch him very much.

 

[cepstrum]

you substitute Marion for Peja this last season and I guarantee you the Kings don't have the best record in the league up to the point Webber comes back. Also Peja is a scorer - the guy does actually drive to the hoop and posts because of his size - people thinking he's just a shooter don't watch him very much.

I watched peja play both here and in europe and despite the fact that he does drive to the hoop every once in a while, he is still a one dimensional player (that doesnt mean he ONLY likes to shoot). The problem is people value offense more than anything when it comes to a players value (see tmac). Im not saying that's good or bad but that's what happens. And you're right about the best record part, but they still got knocked out. With marion they wouldve probably gotten to the second round only to get knocked out. Who knows they maybe would've beat the wolves considering that peja was nowhere to be found.

 

[NJYAJ09]

Not to mention Stojo has just average defense.

 

[Gee!]

Not to mention Stojo has just average defense.

Name a euro player that plays any defense.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Not to mention Stojo has just average defense.

as does Marion. There is no comparison between the two as far as their impact on the court IMO - Marion a good player - Peja is someone teams have to game plan for - which means he's a game changer - that in of itself is a huge difference.

 

[cepstrum]

Name a euro player that plays any defense.

kirilenko

 

[Gee!]

as does Marion. There is no comparison between the two as far as their impact on the court IMO - Marion a good player - Peja is someone teams have to game plan for - which means he's a game changer - that in of itself is a huge difference.

Matrix plays above average D.

 

[Gee!]

kirilenko

Never seen him play so I cant agree or dipute that.

 

[cepstrum]

as does Marion. There is no comparison between the two as far as their impact on the court IMO - Marion a good player - Peja is someone teams have to game plan for - which means he's a game changer - that in of itself is a huge difference.

No one had to change any game plans for him during the playoffs the last couple of years

 

[Cheesebeef]

No one had to change any game plans for him during the playoffs the last couple of years

at least he got there and wasn't booted out in the first round - plus Peja seems to be getting better azs was the case this season - whereas Shawn has regressed as he has entered his prime - can anyone else remember a very good player regressing as much as Shawn did at any point in their career? That doesn't happen to the best of players - especially at age 25 or 26 - that worries me a lot about Shawn's mental make-up.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Matrix plays above average D.

he's a better defender than Peja no doubt - but above average D - that I don't know about.

 

[Dave64]

Back to the original question, I heard on the radio that there is a stipulation in Q's contract that says the team must pay him an extra $5mil if they finish in last place. This was done hoping the Clipps would not take the risk of matching, since it would be hard for the Clipps to stay out of last place for 6 straight years.


Bad, where did you hear this? Gambo talked about, but did not say that it was in the offer from the Suns. Did you hear this somewhere else?

 

[Dave64]

I find it funny that most of the posts on this thread have absolutely nothing to do with the thread. LOL

 

[cepstrum]

at least he got there and wasn't booted out in the first round - plus Peja seems to be getting better azs was the case this season - whereas Shawn has regressed as he has entered his prime - can anyone else remember a very good player regressing as much as Shawn did at any point in their career? That doesn't happen to the best of players - especially at age 25 or 26 - that worries me a lot about Shawn's mental make-up.

Look at the people playing with peja and look at the people playing with shawn. nuff said about that.

The kings are really good and peja was really good last year. Shawn has not regressed as much as you say (look at his stats), but what happened was kidd was traded away. Shawn excels in the open floor as will be seen this year with nash. His stock will rise again and we wont have to have these rediculous discussions anymore.

 

[Bada0Bing]

I can't remember for sure who I was listening to, but it was the day after he signed the offer sheet. They were talking about how this clause might make the Clipps consider not matching.

 

[elindholm]

Back to the original question, I heard on the radio that there is a stipulation in Q's contract that says the team must pay him an extra $5mil if they finish in last place.

This is almost certainly a joke.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Look at the people playing with peja and look at the people playing with shawn. nuff said about that.

The kings are really good and peja was really good last year. Shawn has not regressed as much as you say (look at his stats), but what happened was kidd was traded away. Shawn excels in the open floor as will be seen this year with nash. His stock will rise again and we wont have to have these rediculous discussions anymore.

why are these discussions "rediculous" - so in other words Shawn can only play well in one type of tempo - running - well that is even more problematic since the opporunity to run in the playoffs is considerably lower than during the regular season - so then are we gonna have an ineffective Shawn Marion again?

And I'm not saying the kid went from all-world to nothing as far as regression goes - but you got to admit - his game to a stpe back last year - from a previous year when he was really good and seemed to be improving - and that was without Kidd - with Marbury running the show. So I'll ask again - does anyone else remember a great player or very good player coming into the prime of his career only to regress for even a single season at that point and then go on to do great things? I've been trying to think of guys - and I think it's an interesting topic - anyone?