Post Draft: Good, Bad & Ugly

[Bodha]

Its asinine to say there was anything 'Bad' or 'Ugly' about this draft.


That draft was good, great and outstanding.


The good:

DC Jefferson
Tyrann
Stepfan Taylor
Alex Okafor

The Great:

Ryan Swope
Andre Eillington
Earl Watford

The outstanding:

Cooper
Minter


Everyone they drafted has a shot at being a real impact player. Everyone. They went BPA all the way, as evident by the selection of 2 RBs. But I respect them even moreso for that.

You cant fix every single problem. Did we get an elite pass rusher? No. But sorry, they dont grow on trees in the 2nd round+. Did we take a LT? No. And im thrilled that we didnt reach for one whod bust anyways. The only ones worth taking went 1,2,3. Instead, we took 2 possible pro bowl Guards.

Did we take a safety? No. But Rashad Johnson is by no means terrible to start with, and neither is Yeremiah Bell. Furthermore, we were able to sign Tony Jefferson, who may be our Hyphen of this draft. He is very talented and can absoultely emrge as a future starting safety for us.


theres not 1 damn viable thing I can see to complain about.

 

[Chopper0080]

Its asinine to say there was anything 'Bad' or 'Ugly' about this draft.


That draft was good, great and outstanding.


The good:

DC Jefferson
Tyrann
Stepfan Taylor
Alex Okafor

The Great:

Ryan Swope
Andre Eillington
Earl Watford

The outstanding:

Cooper
Minter


Everyone they drafted has a shot at being a real impact player. Everyone. They went BPA all the way, as evident by the selection of 2 RBs. But I respect them even moreso for that.

You cant fix every single problem. Did we get an elite pass rusher? No. But sorry, they dont grow on trees in the 2nd round+. Did we take a LT? No. And im thrilled that we didnt reach for one whod bust anyways. The only ones worth taking went 1,2,3. Instead, we took 2 possible pro bowl Guards.

Did we take a safety? No. But Rashad Johnson is by no means terrible to start with, and neither is Yeremiah Bell. Furthermore, we were able to sign Tony Jefferson, who may be our Hyphen of this draft. He is very talented and can absoultely emrge as a future starting safety for us.


theres not 1 damn viable thing I can see to complain about.

This thread is not about the draft class, it is about the current state of our roster post-draft. Our personnel at OLB and S is a legitimate concern.

 

[Totally_Red]

Its asinine to say there was anything 'Bad' or 'Ugly' about this draft.


That draft was good, great and outstanding.


The good:

DC Jefferson
Tyrann
Stepfan Taylor
Alex Okafor

The Great:

Ryan Swope
Andre Eillington
Earl Watford

The outstanding:

Cooper
Minter


Everyone they drafted has a shot at being a real impact player. Everyone. They went BPA all the way, as evident by the selection of 2 RBs. But I respect them even moreso for that.

You cant fix every single problem. Did we get an elite pass rusher? No. But sorry, they dont grow on trees in the 2nd round+. Did we take a LT? No. And im thrilled that we didnt reach for one whod bust anyways. The only ones worth taking went 1,2,3. Instead, we took 2 possible pro bowl Guards.

Did we take a safety? No. But Rashad Johnson is by no means terrible to start with, and neither is Yeremiah Bell. Furthermore, we were able to sign Tony Jefferson, who may be our Hyphen of this draft. He is very talented and can absoultely emrge as a future starting safety for us.


theres not 1 damn viable thing I can see to complain about.

I think safety is very questionable. Rashad Johnson is an unproven commodity as an every down safety. And Yeremiah Bell, while a solid veteran safety, is near the end of his career. The lack of depth [beyond a couple of camp bodies and Tony Jefferson] at the position is THE most serious roster concern IMO.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I think safety is very questionable. Rashad Johnson is an unproven commodity as an every down safety. And Yeremiah Bell, while a solid veteran safety, is near the end of his career. The lack of depth [beyond a couple of camp bodies and Tony Jefferson] at the position is THE most serious roster concern IMO.

That other udfa safety that we got from OU looks really good in highlights. Albeit its a highlight video so take it for what it is, but he looked like a very solid playmaker at the SS position. Javon Harris SS OU is the guy I'm talking about. He's a ballhawk and a pretty hard hitter. Might need to add a few pounds.

 

[Duckjake]

That other udfa safety that we got from OU looks really good in highlights. Albeit its a highlight video so take it for what it is, but he looked like a very solid playmaker at the SS position. Javon Harris SS OU is the guy I'm talking about. He's a ballhawk and a pretty hard hitter. Might need to add a few pounds.

The problem is that no UDFA has become a starter for Arizona since Lyle Sendlein in 2007. There's a reason these guys weren't drafted. Safety is a huge concern.

The sad thing is that they couldn't have picked up Carson Palmer sooner. Adding him to the team negated the need for all the roster turnover. With Carson at QB and adding our #1 this year in Cooper we had the potential to be a 10-11 win team with that defense.

11-2 with Kolb and Skelton at QB. So they could easily have continued to win without the ensuing horrendous QB play. Heck they could have contended last year if Kolb didn't regress every game like he always had and get sacked all the time. I think he holds the franchise record for highest sack % over a two year period.

Now we have a bunch of new guys who are going to have to learn to play together and since half of them are on one year contracts just as they do we'll have to go get a bunch more new guys and by the time they have been together long enough to contend Arians will be fired and a new HC brought in.

And so the Cardinal Carousel continues.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

The problem is that no UDFA has become a starter for Arizona since Lyle Sendlein in 2007. There's a reason these guys weren't drafted. Safety is a huge concern.

The sad thing is that they couldn't have picked up Carson Palmer sooner. Adding him to the team negated the need for all the roster turnover. With Carson at QB and adding our #1 this year in Cooper we had the potential to be a 10-11 win team with that defense.

11-2 with Kolb and Skelton at QB. So they could easily have continued to win without the ensuing horrendous QB play. Heck they could have contended last year if Kolb didn't regress every game like he always had and get sacked all the time. I think he holds the franchise record for highest sack % over a two year period.

Now we have a bunch of new guys who are going to have to learn to play together and since half of them are on one year contracts just as they do we'll have to go get a bunch more new guys and by the time they have been together long enough to contend Arians will be fired and a new HC brought in.

And so the Cardinal Carousel continues.

Tony Jefferson is the one more likely to make the team and maybe he can play some SS. Otherwise I suppose we will likely just have to go into the season will only Bell as a SS. Just pointing out that with the praise that ajefferson is getting not to overlook Harris either because he seems like he could be decent.

 

[bankybruce]

The problem is that no UDFA has become a starter for Arizona since Max Hall in 2010 and A.J. Jefferson in 2011. There's a reason these guys weren't drafted. Safety is a huge concern.

The sad thing is that they couldn't have picked up Carson Palmer sooner. Adding him to the team negated the need for all the roster turnover. With Carson at QB and adding our #1 this year in Cooper we had the potential to be a 10-11 win team with that defense.

11-2 with Kolb and Skelton at QB. So they could easily have continued to win without the ensuing horrendous QB play. Heck they could have contended last year if Kolb didn't regress every game like he always had and get sacked all the time. I think he holds the franchise record for highest sack % over a two year period.

Now we have a bunch of new guys who are going to have to learn to play together and since half of them are on one year contracts just as they do we'll have to go get a bunch more new guys and by the time they have been together long enough to contend Arians will be fired and a new HC brought in.

And so the Cardinal Carousel continues.

FTFY

 

[Duckjake]

FTFY

I'm talking about real starters. 16 games. Not guys who got thrown out there for a few games because somebody got hurt. They got Jefferson off the field as soon as they remembered they had Richard Marshall. At least they got something for Jefferson which is more than you can say about most UDFA's.

Max Hall? Somebody was on mushrooms when they decided to start him in a game.

 

[bankybruce]

I'm talking about real starters. 16 games. Not guys who got thrown out there for a few games because somebody got hurt. They got Jefferson off the field as soon as they remembered they had Richard Marshall. At least they got something for Jefferson which is more than you can say about most UDFA's.

Max Hall? Somebody was on mushrooms when they decided to start him in a game.

I know, I just wanted to bring up Max Hall.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I'm talking about real starters. 16 games. Not guys who got thrown out there for a few games because somebody got hurt. They got Jefferson off the field as soon as they remembered they had Richard Marshall. At least they got something for Jefferson which is more than you can say about most UDFA's.

Max Hall? Somebody was on mushrooms when they decided to start him in a game.

I just think this year could be different at least at OL and DB positions because of the depth of those positions in this draft. Jefferson from OU was expected by some to be a 5th rounder and he went undrafted. Factor in our current safety situation and it doesn't seem to crazy to think that we might have an udfa starting at safety this year or next year.

 

[Duckjake]

I just think this year could be different at least at OL and DB positions because of the depth of those positions in this draft. Jefferson from OU was expected by some to be a 5th rounder and he went undrafted. Factor in our current safety situation and it doesn't seem to crazy to think that we might have an udfa starting at safety this year or next year.

This very well could be true. We were talking just last week about how the spread offenses would affect players available to the NFL. Mostly we were discussing how college teams could be recruiting and playing more safety type athletes as opposed to Linebackers to defend the spread. Lining up 3 or 4 Safeties and maybe only one LB with the bigger Safeties manning the OLB positions normally played by guys 235-255.

This of course would lead to much greater depth at the Safety position each April.

Just something to think about.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

With the pass rush, we will just have to see. If you do not have a stud pass rusher, you can make it up using scheme. We were tied for 11th in sack totals, without a stud pass rusher.

Hopefully Bowles is as good or better than Horton.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Of course I'm still trying to figure out why they took Michael Floyd instead of my boy Whitney Mercilus last year.

Cause they were stupid, that is all there is to it. With all the upcoming needs last year and this, they think reaching for a #2 WR would fix our offense. It was ugly and took us back to the good old days of Cardinal head scratching. What was just as surprising to me, is how many people on here supported the pick.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Cause they were stupid, that is all there is to it. With all the upcoming needs last year and this, they think reaching for a #2 WR would fix our offense. It was ugly and took us back to the good old days of Cardinal head scratching. What was just as surprising to me, is how many people on here supported the pick.

I still maintain that MF wasn't a reach, but he just didn't meet the need+bpa balance that we should have been trying to fill. I feel like this years front office would have gone a different direction. Might have even traded back and taken Decastro.

 

[kerouac9]

Wanna know who loved our draft? Former FootballOutsiders writer and now sportsonearth columnist Mike Tanier:

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/46341626/

Final Assessment: Advanced. This is exactly the kind of draft a new regime needs. Someone needs to write a song called "Kulabafi and the Honey Badger" immediately.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Wanna know who loved our draft? Former FootballOutsiders writer and now sportsonearth columnist Mike Tanier:

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/46341626/

Nice Find!

What pisses me off is that the Niners continue to load up on young talent and future draft picks. This year they filled their few needs and had the luxury to add a couple of players who are coming off injury but could be great in a year or two. Plus they already have 5 picks in the first three rounds of next years draft.

The Niners are setting themselves up to be SB contenders for the next several years which will make it very difficult for the Cardinals to win the division anytime soon. I think the Cardinals are making the right moves as well but they are still two steps behind the Niners at this point.

 

[Southpaw]

I must assume Arians and Keim don't have a problem with the TE depth. That one escaped me given the abundance of TE talent in this draft.

Overall they seemed to have plugged some gaping holes.

 

[Duckjake]

I must assume Arians and Keim don't have a problem with the TE depth. That one escaped me given the abundance of TE talent in this draft.

Overall they seemed to have plugged some gaping holes.

Other than Guard what gaping holes did they fill?

There was one other weak spot and they filled that with the trade for Carson Palmer. They created another gaping hole at Safety and didn't address that at all in the draft. That's why this wad a good draft for us. They could actually take solid football players instead of having to upgrade from guys like Fred Wakefield and Joel Mackosucka.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Other than Guard what gaping holes did they fill?

There was one other weak spot and the filled that with the trade for Carson Palmer. They created another gaping hole at Safety and didn't address that at all in the draft. That's why this wad a good draft for us. They could actually take solid football players instead of having to upgrade from guys like Fred Wakefield and Joel Mackosucka.

It could be argued that RB was a gaping hole over the last few years. Also though some may be skeptical about this but they did draft TM to play safety.

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[Duckjake]

It could be argued that RB was a gaping hole over the last few years. Also though some may be skeptical about this but they did draft TM to play safety.

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RB wasn't a gaping hole. The #1 RB ran for over 1000 yards and 10 TDs just a year ago and was over 4.0 ypc his entire career. The hole at RB was filled when the coaches that had the team dead last in rushing attempts were fired.

As for mini Badger to think that he fills the holes left by Wilson and Rhodes departure is laudable but wrong.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

RB wasn't a gaping hole. The #1 RB ran for over 1000 yards and 10 TDs just a year ago and was over 4.0 ypc his entire career. The hole at RB was filled when the coaches that had the team dead last in rushing attempts were fired.

As for mini Badger to think that he fills the holes left by Wilson and Rhodes departure is laudable but wrong.

Regardless Beanie has a very hard time consistently staying on the field. Not to mention he was the only decent back on the team. Now they have 4 backs that could all pan out for us. Yes TM doesnt fill both holes at safety, but he could at least fill one of them.

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[Southpaw]

Other than Guard what gaping holes did they fill?

There was one other weak spot and they filled that with the trade for Carson Palmer. They created another gaping hole at Safety and didn't address that at all in the draft. That's why this wad a good draft for us. They could actually take solid football players instead of having to upgrade from guys like Fred Wakefield and Joel Mackosucka.

I exaggerated purposely. Didn't want to come off negative. The 2 & 3 picks were not what I wanted, but I don't give a rat's ass about defense with the rules in the NFL today. Gotta score big to win.

 

[kerouac9]

I exaggerated purposely. Didn't want to come off negative. The 2 & 3 picks were not what I wanted, but I don't give a rat's ass about defense with the rules in the NFL today. Gotta score big to win.

The Super Bowl participants were 10th and 11th in scoring in the regular season.

The difference between them and the median scoring offense in the NFL was 1.5 ppg.

The difference between them and the Arizona Cardinals scoring offense was nearly 10 points per game.

Our offense sucked.

 

[Southpaw]

The Super Bowl participants were 10th and 11th in scoring in the regular season.

The difference between them and the median scoring offense in the NFL was 1.5 ppg.

The difference between them and the Arizona Cardinals scoring offense was nearly 10 points per game.

Our offense sucked.

Thought I was alone on the offense anemia. 3 RB additions - 2 deleted RBs. 1 WR pick up. 0 TE pickup. So, essentially, a slight boost. QB situation, arguably, upgraded. Long slow process.

 

[kerouac9]

Thought I was alone on the offense anemia. 3 RB additions - 2 deleted RBs. 1 WR pick up. 0 TE pickup. So, essentially, a slight boost. QB situation, arguably, upgraded. Long slow process.

I don't know. I think that we added the best player to our OL, which will make everyone else better and improve the offense marginally on every down.

I don't know how you could characterize Palmer as only "arguably" an upgrade. Maybe it's not a clear upgrade over Kolb (and I'm guessing this is where the argument comes from), but Kolb can't play a half-dozen games in a row. He's a clear, massive upgrade over Lindley and Skelton.

I'm not sure the Cards added 10 ppg to the offense, but I think we managed 5 or 6, at least.

IMO, it's really, really difficult to evaluate the offensive skill position players when the QBs were so utterly dreadful for the entire year. I watched the film, and defenses were playing us with one-high safety and everyone else within seven yards of the LOS, and the offense couldn't do anything to capitalize on that. Our quarterbacks were so terrible.