Post-Season Thoughts

[WisconsinCard]

Why is a bigger deal not made of Carson's absence from the sideline? Was he there but not shown on TV. Was he shown on TV, but I missed because I was off vomiting over our play calling? Was Carson bed ridden? That kid Lindley needed all the help he could get, and having the veteran QB there to tell him what he was seeing certainly would have helped. Dockett was everywhere supporting all of his teammates.

I read that BA (I think) didn't want him on the sidelines. He didn't to risk someone hitting him on that knee. I am sure he was watching from a suite, and coaching the heck out of RL in practice.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Why is a bigger deal not made of Carson's absence from the sideline? Was he there but not shown on TV. Was he shown on TV, but I missed because I was off vomiting over our play calling? Was Carson bed ridden? That kid Lindley needed all the help he could get, and having the veteran QB there to tell him what he was seeing certainly would have helped. Dockett was everywhere supporting all of his teammates.

I raised this question early in the process, and I got screamed at for the sideline being somehow unsafe for women and the disabled. Apparently, you're not even allowed to bring this up.

Maybe because the answer is ridiculously clear, is it not? Palmer clearly hates this team... Despises BA and his offensive scheme. Can't stand the players he's forced to go to battle with and right now, at this very moment, he must be working feverishly to find the best possible path out of town.
I mean, his performance and his record this season clearly points to the amount of angst between Carson and the team/coaches, does it not? The guy could only put up 6 wins for Gods sake. He was only having his best statistical season of his career... The play that he first was injured (shoulder), he chose not to run out of bounds but sacrifice his body by putting his head down and churn for additional yardage. It's clear guys... you're just not seeing the thorns in the bushes... err, I mean the blooms on the rose....Hmmm, maybe I meant the needle in the barn? No... I dunno... I'm sure there is something there to be seen... I think....

 

[BillsCarnage]

If the above is true, you have to see if any team is willing to trade for him and when no team wants to absorb the cap hit, cut him. I like Fitzgerald a lot but power struggles between a player and the coaching staff are bad for the team.

Don't disagree one bit, but they'd have to find a team able to absorb that contract. There are probably only a handful of teams and they will likely suck, but they could dangle one of those teams to Fitz to gauge his reaction.

Why is a bigger deal not made of Carson's absence from the sideline? Was he there but not shown on TV. Was he shown on TV, but I missed because I was off vomiting over our play calling? Was Carson bed ridden? That kid Lindley needed all the help he could get, and having the veteran QB there to tell him what he was seeing certainly would have helped. Dockett was everywhere supporting all of his teammates.

Palmer was on the sideline for the last home game against the Hawks. Dunno if they showed him on TV or not, but he was there. I think Stanton was there too, but not 100% sure. Palmer was there though.

I doubt he traveled for the road games.

 

[Bodha]

I'm not saying he's the savior.

Exactly, hes not. And thats the point im trying to make. Trading for a QB virtually guarantees you have to sink 2 seasons into him. and if we all agree Glennon is no franchise QB, then why waste the time?

Sure Glennon might be the 19th best QB in the NFL, but 19th doesnt get you rings, and thats the ultimate goal. If youre not helping towards that goal, then you are not on this team.

Btw the reason he probably wasn't playing is because they gave Josh McClown all that $$$$ based off of like 6 games in Chicago.

lemme back that Q up further and ask why did the Bucs pay Mccown $$$$ when they had a Glennon?



Also, earlier you mentioned in order to find franchise QBs you had to be picking in the lottos, so there was no point in drafting one in the 2nd+. I forgot to mention Glennon is himself a 3rd rounder.

I just dont understand this conversation. We're haggling over a 3rd rounder whos underperformed for 2 years and got benched on the worst team in the NFL.

 

[Totally_Red]

Good info Mitch! Outside of somehow retaining and better utilizing Fitzgerald, I think the two biggest needs are strengthening & toughening the offensive line and adding a couple of athletic inside linebackers and a free safety who can run and tackle.

Given the defensive lines in the NFC West, the Cardinals O-line is nowhere near good enough. And given the athleticism and running ability of Colin Kaepernick and Russell Wilson, more team speed is needed up the middle on defense.

GO CARDINALS!!

 

[WisconsinCard]

lemme back that Q up further and ask why did the Bucs pay Mccown $$$$ when they had a Glennon?

First and foremost is that they got a new coach with a new system, A system that JM came from. That is why they paid JM.

 

[don7031]

^ Don't believe that is correct. A year gap between coaching stints for Smith and different offensive coordinators.

 

[kerouac9]

First and foremost is that they got a new coach with a new system, A system that JM came from. That is why they paid JM.

Josh McCown played for Jeff Tedford?

#researchfail

 

[WisconsinCard]

^ Don't believe that is correct. A year gap between coaching stints for Smith and different offensive coordinators.

True maybe sytem was not the correct word. I guess it would have been better stated to say Lovie was comfortable with JM. He also stated he wanted a vet QB to battle with Glennon. But then he paid him 10 Mil for 2 seasons, so that tells me Lovie wanted him pretty bad, although there was some competition for his services.

 

[Austin Zonie]

This may have already been debated, but I don't recall reading it and wasn't able to find it in a thread.

What skill set does Floyd posses at a higher level than Larry to be the outside deep ball receiver in BA's offense?

 

[Austin Zonie]

I raised this question early in the process, and I got screamed at for the sideline being somehow unsafe for women and the disabled. Apparently, you're not even allowed to bring this up.

Been wondering the same thing. Carson says all the right things when interviewed, but I've never read an explanation, outside of immediately after the surgery, to explain his absence.

His absence coupled with his initial comments of if the cardinals want him back... seem odd and somewhat out of place for a starting NFL QB who was finally "getting it" in BA's offense AND just signed an extension (and most likely his last contract).

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Been wondering the same thing. Carson says all the right things when interviewed, but I've never read an explanation, outside of immediately after the surgery, to explain his absence.

His absence coupled with his initial comments of if the cardinals want him back... seem odd and somewhat out of place for a starting NFL QB who was finally "getting it" in BA's offense AND just signed an extension (and most likely his last contract).

I have read and reposted the answer several times, he couldn't after the tear as they needed the swelling to subside for surgery. Then he couldn't after the surgery because of swelling. He made the QB meetings and was ultimately on the sidelines at one home game, couldn't travel though.

Don't understand why this is so difficult for people to grasp. He wasn't going to make Stanton a better QB sitting on his ass before he had to go back to the locker room for more treatment..

 

[kerouac9]

This may have already been debated, but I don't recall reading it and wasn't able to find it in a thread.

What skill set does Floyd posses at a higher level than Larry to be the outside deep ball receiver in BA's offense?

I think that Floyd has superior deep speed.

 

[Austin Zonie]

I think that Floyd has superior deep speed.

That must be it. Does that outweigh Larry's superior jump ball skills? BA must think so.

 

[kerouac9]

That must be it. Does that outweigh Larry's superior jump ball skills? BA must think so.

I think that Floyd has pretty solid jump-ball skills on his own, actually. Where Larry is special is being able to make great cuts. We traditionally don't run the deep-in and deep-out route at that 12-18 yard depth. That's where Larry created a lot of value in Whis's offense as well as Denny's.

I think that Fitz also creates value on his own by drawing the attention of the defense to the short field and the middle of the formation, which IMO is part of the design of the Arians offense in this form--create one-on-one matchups on the outside.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think that Floyd has superior deep speed.

It depends though. It seems if Floyd has to run more than 35 yards in one go, he has a hard time not losing his balance and falling over. But yes for those first 35 yards he's faster than Larry.

I used to think Floyd just needed different shoes I don't know what it is with him he falls down so often on the deep balls.

Great in the air, bad on the ground.

 

[82CardsGrad]

It depends though. It seems if Floyd has to run more than 35 yards in one go, he has a hard time not losing his balance and falling over. But yes for those first 35 yards he's faster than Larry.

I used to think Floyd just needed different shoes I don't know what it is with him he falls down so often on the deep balls.

Great in the air, bad on the ground.

Agree... I would also add Floyd isn't in the same zip code as Larry in terms of hands. But then again, few are...