Predicting the final 53 man roster

[Cbus cardsfan]

Offense:

QB-Leinart,Warner,Boyd (3)
RB-James, Shipp, Arrington(3)
FB-Smith,Femi (2)
WR-Fitz, Boldin, Johnson,McCoy, Morey, Breaston (6)
TE-Pope, Patrick,Bieneman(3)
OT-Brown,L., Gandy, Ross,Gorin(4)
OG-Lutui, Brown,M.,Wells,Brown,E (4)
C-Johnson, Leckey (2)
PK-Rackers(1)
total: 28

Bubble guys on offense: Bronson,Schable,Mitchell,Watkins, Spurlock

Defense:
DE-Berry, Okeafor,Pace, Smith(4)
DT-Branch,Watson,Dockett,Clancy(4)
OLB: Dansby,Blackstock, Davis,Johnson (4)
MLB-Hayes, Biesel (2)
CB-Rolle,Green,Hood,Brown,R.,Hunter (5)
SS:Wilson, Milligan(2)
FS:Holt,Francisco(2)
P-Player(1)
LS-Hodel(1)
total-25

bubble guys:Lewis,Cooper, Bailey,Tafoya,Bain

 

[joko4]

NO way Micheal Spurlock does not make it as a WR.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

E. Brown needs to get it together or he's bubble material.

 

[Capital Card]

Pretty good.

The only thing I would tweak would be at MLB. If we really are going to a 3-4, we'll need at least 3, possibly 4.

Since we'll be running the ball so much, there is no way that we'll keep 6 WR's. Breaston will probably stick as our PR, so it looks like a tough camp battle between McCoy and Morey. My guess....McCoy.

I suspect we'll only keep 4 CB's, which leaves Hunter out.

I don't ever remember heading into training camp with a roster as filled out as it currently is.

Go Cards!!!

 

[ajcardfan]

NO way Micheal Spurlock does not make it as a WR.

He doesn't have much of a chance. They won't keep him over Morey or Breaston. The Trib today said Morey was a "virtual lock" to make the final roster. They said the last slot would come down to Breaston and McCoy, but that was if we kept only 5. I think it's more likely we keep 6 WRs.

 

[CardLogic]

Since we'll be running the ball so much, there is no way that we'll keep 6 WR's. Breaston will probably stick as our PR, so it looks like a tough camp battle between McCoy and Morey. My guess....McCoy.

Morey was brought in as a FA from Pittsburgh, where he was special teams captain. Morey is a lock to be on the 53 man roster.

If the Cardinal's go with only 5 WR, McCoy could be the one left out. I am a "homer" for McCoy, so I hope he makes the squad, but the hand injuries the past two years have hindered his chances...

Then again if McCoy develops strongly and keeps the injury bug in check, it might be time to consider Bryant Johnson for a trade. You have to figure that this is Johnson's last season as a Cardinal...

Of course it would be just like the Cardinals to let Johnson play out this season, then sign elsewhere next year as a FA; getting nothing in return for his departure.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Morey was brought in as a FA from Pittsburgh, where he was special teams captain. Morey is a lock to be on the 53 man roster.

If the Cardinal's go with only 5 WR, McCoy could be the one left out. I am a "homer" for McCoy, so I hope he makes the squad, but the hand injuries the past two years have hindered his chances...

Then again if McCoy develops strongly and keeps the injury bug in check, it might be time to consider Bryant Johnson for a trade. You have to figure that this is Johnson's last season as a Cardinal...

Of course it would be just like the Cardinals to let Johnson play out this season, then sign elsewhere next year as a FA; getting nothing in return for his departure.

Well, I'd prefer your B. Johnson end of season scenario then trusting McCoy with the responsibility of stepping in as the no. 2 receiver if Fitz or Q go down.

It's about, to my mind, winning games in the upcoming season... not about next years draft or free agency period. We'll deal with that then.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

He doesn't have much of a chance. They won't keep him over Morey or Breaston. The Trib today said Morey was a "virtual lock" to make the final roster. They said the last slot would come down to Breaston and McCoy, but that was if we kept only 5. I think it's more likely we keep 6 WRs.

Spurlock is still eligible for the practice squad.

 

[joko4]

Spurlock is still eligible for the practice squad.

He might be eligible, but he's going to be real good this year and I do not see anybody in his way besides the 1 and 2.

 

[CardLogic]

He might be eligible, but he's going to be real good this year and I do not see anybody in his way besides the 1 and 2.

Either you mightily overestimate Spurlock, underestimate the other Cardinal WR's or what seems likely, both!

 

[CardLogic]

Well, I'd prefer your B. Johnson end of season scenario then trusting McCoy with the responsibility of stepping in as the no. 2 receiver if Fitz or Q go down.

I guess that I should have made the IF larger...

 

[ajcardfan]

He might be eligible, but he's going to be real good this year and I do not see anybody in his way besides the 1 and 2.

Hi Mrs. Spurlock! I hope your son does really well too!

 

[spanky1]

Offense:

QB-Leinart,Warner,Boyd (3)
RB-James, Shipp, Arrington(3)
FB-Smith,Femi (2)
WR-Fitz, Boldin, Johnson,McCoy, Morey, Breaston (6)
TE-Pope, Patrick,Bieneman(3)
OT-Brown,L., Gandy, Ross,Gorin(4)
OG-Lutui, Brown,M.,Wells,Brown,E (4)
C-Johnson, Leckey (2)
PK-Rackers(1)
total: 28

Bubble guys on offense: Bronson,Schable,Mitchell,Watkins, Spurlock

Defense:
DE-Berry, Okeafor,Pace, Smith(4)
DT-Branch,Watson,Dockett,Clancy(4)
OLB: Dansby,Blackstock, Davis,Johnson (4)
MLB-Hayes, Biesel (2)
CB-Rolle,Green,Hood,Brown,R.,Hunter (5)
SS:Wilson, Milligan(2)
FS:Holt,Francisco(2)
P-Player(1)
LS-Hodel(1)
total-25

bubble guys:Lewis,Cooper, Bailey,Tafoya,Bain

Actually, the roster is now 55....the league approved the addition of two more.

 

[Duckjake]

The only thing I would tweak would be at MLB. If we really are going to a 3-4, we'll need at least 3, possibly 4.

I like the thought of the return of the Big Nickel where the Cards go with what is really a 5-2 alignment. Okeafor,Dockett,Branch,Watson/Clancy,Berry.

Overall I'd say that for the current defensive sets the Cards have the best group of linebackers they've had in a long, long time.

Not a Tony McCombs or Zack Walz in the bunch.

 

[Mulli]

I like the thought of the return of the Big Nickel where the Cards go with what is really a 5-2 alignment. Okeafor,Dockett,Branch,Watson/Clancy,Berry.

Overall I'd say that for the current defensive sets the Cards have the best group of linebackers they've had in a long, long time.

Not a Tony McCombs or Zack Walz in the bunch.

Boo for mentioning those dudes.

 

[joeshmo]

Actually, the roster is now 55....the league approved the addition of two more.

When did this happen? I think you are confused with something else.

Section 4. Active and Inactive List Limit: In any League Year, a Club’s Active and Inactive Lists shall not
exceed 53 players.

http://nflpa.org/pdfs/Agents/CBA_Amended_2006.pdf

On page 108.

 

[joeshmo]

The only thing I would tweak would be at MLB. If we really are going to a 3-4, we'll need at least 3, possibly 4.

Davis and Dansby are ILBs in the 3-4.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Davis and Dansby are ILBs in the 3-4.

Why would Dansby move inside in the 3-4?

Davis and Hayes on the inside. Dansby and (?) on the outside.

 

[joeshmo]

Why would Dansby move inside in the 3-4?

Davis and Hayes on the inside. Dansby and (?) on the outside.

Its the same reason why Dansby was the starting inside LB in the 3-4 this past mini camp, and why he will continue to stay there. He is way to small and would get swallowed up playing the outside in the 3-4. Your OLB in the 3-4 are your bigger more stout DE/OLB tweener types becuase they are more on an island then the ILB's. Take a look at NE with Thomas and Colvin or Dallas with Ware and Spencer, and so one.

"In the 3-4 Defense there are three lineman playing the line of scrimmage, with four linebackers backing them up, typically two outside linebackers and two inside linebackers. This defense is favored when the opposing team is expected to pass or run wide. Key for this defense to be successful is the defensive front of three large defensive linemen who must be able to command constant double teams . The Nose tackle who plays over the offensive center in particular must be able to hold ground and to occupy several offensive blockers in order to allow the linebackers to make plays. The focus of the 3-4 defensive line is to occupy offensive linemen in order to free the linebackers to tackle the running back or to rush the passer or other wise drop into pass coverage.

Generally both outside linebackers can both rush the passer and play the run. Outside linebackers in the 3-4 defense tend to be larger LB in comparison to a base 4-3 defense. Outside linebackers and are often players who who would play DE in a 4-3 defense as situational pass rushing specialist but who other wise may not fit the expected role of a DE being some what smaller in size . Outside linebacker should be able to drop into pass coverage or rush the passer or read and react most 3-4 defenses attempt to hide which LB will rush and which will drop into coverage . When it comes to the inside linebackers, one is generally a run stuffing player who is better able to handle offensive linemen and better at stopping running backs when the offense features a running play while the other is often smaller, faster player who excels in pass coverage. However, the smaller or cover LB should also be able to scrape and plug running lanes decently."

http://www.answers.com/topic/linebacker

 

[Shogun]

Valid points and all about his size, but it's not like he's 230. He's 6-4, 240 and that's a good enough (not ideal) size to play it. Dansby playing inside negates his best abilities - his closing speed and ability to rush the passer. That's why myself and others think he's better suited outside and should play it as such.

Julian Peterson was not moved inside when the 49ers played the 3-4 and he's lighter than Dansby (6-3, 235). Steelers LBs Carl Haggans and James Harrison are only three pounds heavier.

Upon further inspection, all of the Pittsburgh LBs are relatively lighter than what's generally expected of a 3-4 'backer.

 

[ajcardfan]

Boo for mentioning those dudes.

I liked Zack Walz. He and Tillman and their girlfriends (at the time) used to come into where I worked during the summers every so often. He did okay for a late round pick from Dartmouth.

 

[ajcardfan]

When did this happen? I think you are confused with something else.



http://nflpa.org/pdfs/Agents/CBA_Amended_2006.pdf

On page 108.

I believe on game day teams are now allowed to have two more players active.

 

[Pariah]

Yeah, I think Dansby stays on the outside, too.

I hope the coaches don't get too caught up about what the "right size" is for these positions (I don't really think they will). Dansy is a good FOOTBALL player, and that will go a long way in making adjustments to different schemes.

I'd imagine in the 3-4 alignment the LBs would look like this:

OLB: Dansby/Pace
MLB: Hayes/??
MLB: Davis/Beisel?
OLB: Okeafor/Berry

I don't think Berry is going to be able to stand up very well, and we'll really mostly see him on the field for the 4-3 sets. Pace MIGHT see a "resurrection" in the 3-4 sets, because that should really play to his (as yet unseen) "strengths."

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Yeah, I think Dansby stays on the outside, too.

I hope the coaches don't get too caught up about what the "right size" is for these positions (I don't really think they will). Dansy is a good FOOTBALL player, and that will go a long way in making adjustments to different schemes.

I'd imagine in the 3-4 alignment the LBs would look like this:

OLB: Dansby/Pace
MLB: Hayes/??
MLB: Davis/Beisel?
OLB: Okeafor/Berry

I don't think Berry is going to be able to stand up very well, and we'll really mostly see him on the field for the 4-3 sets. Pace MIGHT see a "resurrection" in the 3-4 sets, because that should really play to his (as yet unseen) "strengths."

Berry came into the league as a linebacker.

 

[Pariah]

Berry came into the league as a linebacker.

And, he almost left it as a LB soon after that, too. Plus, he's a lot older now. If he wasn't cutting it as a LB as a young pup, what makes you think he can cut it as a grizzled old vet?