Predictions: Sleepers and Stinkers

[Irish]

I think Lee and Hendrix are sleepers. Others might include Douglas Roberts and Walker.

I'm unimpressed with the entire crew of mid round bigs who screem O'Bryant at me. My question is not who will be the sticker, but which will be the pearl.

 

[da_suns_fan]

How about I think Alexander will have a better career than Rose.

Is that sleeperific enough for you?

Are you crazy?

Alexander is one of my "stinker" picks. The guy can jump and dunk.

Yay.

I also think Beasley is the next Kenyon Martin. That is, he won't pan out.

 

[CardinalsFan11]

Sleepers:

Joey Dorsey - If anybody can keep this guys motor running, he'll be a solid bench player

Pat Calathes - Good shooter, versatile, put up good numbers against good competition in the A10.

Chris Lofton - A little undersized, but I see him in the mold of a Rodney Stuckey or a Rondo. Definitely worth a look in the second round as a back up PG.

Busts:

Brook Lopez - Only shot 46% from the field as a big guy in college, doesn't bode well for the next level.

Eric Gordon - High turnover guy with a low assist-to-turnover ratio. Didn't play well against top competition in college.

 

[CardinalsFan11]

but he (Dorsey) will pan out to be a lesser Ben Wallace imo.

So you're saying he's not going to be a 4 time all-star and a 4 time DPOY. Really going out on a limb aren't we.

 

[CardinalsFan11]

Are you crazy?

I also think Beasley is the next Kenyon Martin. That is, he won't pan out.

Beasley is going to be much better than Martin because Beasley has a jump shot. Also, it's not like Kenyon Martin has been a bust. He's a career 14 and 7 guy, the reason why he is so undesireable is the contract that he has.

 

[sunsallday]

Sleepers:Mario Chalmers, DJ. Augustin, Jerryd Bayless, Brandon Rush, Donte Green

Busts:Lopez Brothers, Westbrook, Kevin Love

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

So you're saying he's not going to be a 4 time all-star and a 4 time DPOY. Really going out on a limb aren't we.

I was referencing his playstyle and abilities, not his accomplishments...but always love being taken out of context.

 

[CardinalsFan11]

I was referencing his playstyle and abilities, not his accomplishments...but always love being taken out of context.

Sure you were...Either way, it's really not going out on a limb to say he will be a poor man's Ben Wallace as almost everyone has made that comparison while watching him play. The real thing to watch for from Dorsey is if he can find something that motivates him. Maybe being a 2nd round pick or an UDFA will be the fuel that he needs to have a Ben Wallace like career.

 

[JCSunsfan]

You know, I pretty much stopped posting when you and I first left the AOL board because our opinions were so close I figured who needed the redundancy but these two opinions really surprise me.

First off, UA wasn't "so bad" at least not when healthy and, IMO, the real problem in Tuscon is that they had a squad full of talented offensive weapons and a coach that considered offense a four letter word. I loved Bayless at the college level and still believe he will succeed in the NBA but I do worry about his size as a 2 and lack of court vision as a 1.

As for Robin Lopez, I wouldn't take him in the 8th round let alone the first. No heart, no work ethic and despite the Stanford name I'd worry about his court sense. I know many of the experts are pushing this guy but other than a couple of late season performances I can't figure out why.

Steve

Wow. Now there's a blast from the past. You know what they say. If two people agree on everything, one of them isn't thinking.

It must be, what, five or six years since the aol board?

 

[TucsonDevil]

Dang, someone already beat me to it... my big sleeper is Mario Chalmers. I I'm hoping that Portland makes a trade with the Suns for the #13, and newly acquired #27 for our #15 (and whatever else trash) - that way the Suns pick up Rush and Chalmers - some drafts have him falling quite a bit, others don't. I think he will be a solid PG in the league, not All-Star, but solid.

Buts - too many to name. How about both Lopez brothers (if they were so good, Stanford should have made the Final Four). Throw in the Italian guy, and DJ Augustine - the era of tiny PGs is over... was there ever that era?

 

[D-Dogg]

Sleeper: George Hill, only because the Lakers are rumored to try and move up in the second to get him if he's there. He's a good, long guard who can play the point. He has 4 years in the triangle. Has the length Pjax likes in his points (who aren't really points) and has a great shot with range all the way out to NBA three. Played at a small school but plays up to competition. IF he goes to the Lakers, he's a great fit and in a couple of years, might end up a great second round choice.

No, no bias here.

 

[CardinalsFan11]

One guy that can go either way is Donte Greene. He played well the first half of last season, but then fell off in the second half. He's a talented shooter but his shot selection isn't what it should be.

 

[Irish]

=sunsallday;1755860 Sleepers:Mario Chalmers, DJ. Augustin, Jerryd Bayless, Brandon Rush, Donte Green

Chalmers may be a sleeper. Green was a lottery propsect a few weeks ago and has fallwen out of favor, so he might have become a sleeper.
But how on earth can Augustine and Bayless who are locks for the lottery and even top ten be sleepers. By that criteria, I'll add Rose and Beasley to my sleeper list.

 

[D-Dogg]

One guy that can go either way is Donte Greene. He played well the first half of last season, but then fell off in the second half. He's a talented shooter but his shot selection isn't what it should be.

I didn't know you were such a big college hoops guy.

I need to reference you for my march madness bracket next year.

 

[Irish]

One guy that can go either way is Donte Greene. He played well the first half of last season, but then fell off in the second half. He's a talented shooter but his shot selection isn't what it should be.

That's the consensus of the profiles I've read.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draf...ry?columnist=ford_chad&page=DraftWatch-080625

Donte Greene: Kings at 12, Blazers at 13, Warriors at 14, Raptors at 17, Rockets at 25. Greene has one of the widest ranges of any player in the draft. Some scouts see the second coming of Rashard Lewis. Others see an inexperienced, one-dimensional jump shooter. I hear the Kings are high on him and the Rockets are trying to move up to get him.

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[CardinalsFan11]

That's the consensus of the profiles I've read.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draf...ry?columnist=ford_chad&page=DraftWatch-080625





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The comments I hear on Greene are similar to things said about JJ Redick before he came out; IE one dimensional shooter who probably won't make it at the next level.

Although, it's hard to say JJ Redick is a bust because he hardly ever gets to play.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Wow. Now there's a blast from the past. You know what they say. If two people agree on everything, one of them isn't thinking.

Well, as far as Robin Lopez goes, Steve Lavin agrees with you so I think we can all accept that as proof that I'm right

Steve

 

[jandaman]

The comments I hear on Greene are similar to things said about JJ Redick before he came out; IE one dimensional shooter who probably won't make it at the next level.

Although, it's hard to say JJ Redick is a bust because he hardly ever gets to play.

But your forgetting..

Greene is 6'10
Atheletic... has a unique skill set.

Reddick is 6'4, shooter....



I project Greene to have an Horry type of role... or even Carlos Rogers (remember him) but who can shoot the 3... which goes back to Horry..

And if he can be as good as Rashard then thats even a better reason to pick him up at 15th.... Rashard is a 120 million dollar player

if not.. Get Randolph... another 6'9~6'10 with mobility... Odom-lite.. or Harrington type... again would be good for the Suns.

 

[Irish]

When I look at a player, I immediately look at his weaknesses. Can I live with them? For example, the Suns do not need another "back to the basket" guy, especially if they keep Diaw. The Suns don't need wings who "can make his own shot" as much as most. Rush gets slammed for not taking over games, but on the Suns that can be a liabilty.

On the other hand, I get very nervious about guys who aren't good defenders and lack lateral quickness. Here is what DX has on Green:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Donte-Greene-1066/

Weaknesses:

• Poor wingspan
• Stuck between 3 and 4
• Lateral quickness to defend NBA SFs?
• Shot-selection
• Toughness
• Ball-handling skills
• Left hand
• Defensive intensity
• Consistent effort
• Project

 

[Mulli]

Irish, do you mean the Suns don't need another player who can score in the low post after Diaw? Can't say I agree with that.

 

[Irish]

Irish, do you mean the Suns don't need another player who can score in the low post after Diaw? Can't say I agree with that.

Well that do have a guy named O'Neal who is pretty good down low.

In any case, I'd give up back to the basket skills long before I'd give up defense and rebounding (when looking at bigs) and give up "take over the game" to get lock down perimter defense and hits open shots.

 

[Mulli]

Well that do have a guy named O'Neal who is pretty good down low.

In any case, I'd give up back to the basket skills long before I'd give up defense and rebounding (when looking at bigs) and give up "take over the game" to get lock down perimter defense and hits open shots.

Makes sense to me now. Thanks.

 

[Mulli]

How about I think Alexander will have a better career than Rose.

Is that sleeperific enough for you?

Wow.

 

[Bada0Bing]

Wow, what a great list of terrible predictions. I think da_suns_fan was the only one that had a decent post.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Ha. Should make us really consider how valuable message board consensus is, especially pre-draft