Prepare for an off-season of continuity.

[SoonerLou]

The reason the Cowboys can even think about letting Cooper go is because of Michael Gallup.

If they had Christian Kirk instead they'd have no choice but to pay up.

 

[football karma]

Amari Cooper

talented, but its a red flag if two teams in a row give up on him. Makes you wonder whats up

 

[outcent13]

The reason the Cowboys can even think about letting Cooper go is because of Michael Gallup.

If they had Christian Kirk instead they'd have no choice but to pay up.

You are probably correct,but (playing devils advocate here) would a true number 1 WR free Kirk up more often? To be clear I don't want Cooper.

 

[Solar7]

Amari Cooper

talented, but its a red flag if two teams in a row give up on him. Makes you wonder whats up

I don't think they'd be giving up on him, just acknowledging that Gallup is solid and they think they can save the money.

For what it's worth, I'd rather take the plunge on an AJ Green at a lower price, but I mostly just don't want to waste a pick on another rookie WR that hasn't ever proven anything.

 

[slanidrac16]

I don't think they'd be giving up on him, just acknowledging that Gallup is solid and they think they can save the money.

For what it's worth, I'd rather take the plunge on an AJ Green at a lower price, but I mostly just don't want to waste a pick on another rookie WR that hasn't ever proven anything.

Keim will get roasted if we were to sign Green...but he does fit Keims criteria.

 

[SoonerLou]

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[Chopper0080]

That will likely be the theme of our off-season.

We will keep Keim.

Keep Vance.

Re-sign DJ Humphries (fortifying Keim's draft record)

Re-sign Kenyan Drake (reinforcing Keim's successful trade)

Re-sign Larry.

Extend Patrick Peterson.

Shipley, Gunter, Bryd and Cooper.

Be ready for some possible former Cardinals coming back...maybe Golden and maybe Calais.

Here. We. Go.

Kept Keim.
Kept Vance.
Re-signed Larry.

to be continued...

 

[slanidrac16]

Kept Keim.
Kept Vance.
Re-signed Larry.

to be continued...

And like it or not Humphries will be tagged and eventually come to a long term contract. Humphries would be an idiot to play under the tag or hold out which would cost him millions.

 

[kerouac9]

And like it or not Humphries will be tagged and eventually come to a long term contract. Humphries would be an idiot to play under the tag or hold out which would cost him millions.

I'd actually be surprised if Humphries is tagged. If you tag him, you're basically adding another $12-14 million guaranteed to the extension that you're expecting to sign him to. If you're already planning to tag him, what's the benefit of doing that? You're better off starting the clock on the guaranteed money this year.

 

[Ronin]

Amari Cooper is a feast or famine type player.

 

[slanidrac16]

I'd actually be surprised if Humphries is tagged. If you tag him, you're basically adding another $12-14 million guaranteed to the extension that you're expecting to sign him to. If you're already planning to tag him, what's the benefit of doing that? You're better off starting the clock on the guaranteed money this year.

I get it. However, if the rumors of him turning down 11 m are true then tagging him is just extending time to negotiate. And I believe the two could still part ways , no?

 

[kerouac9]

I get it. However, if the rumors of him turning down 11 m are true then tagging him is just extending time to negotiate. And I believe the two could still part ways , no?

Not if he signs the tender. The negotiations for Humphries starts now at $30 million guaranteed (basically two franchise tags). If you put the tag on him, then you would extend that guarantee for ANOHTER season, and you have to guarantee $43 million.

 

[slanidrac16]

Not if he signs the tender. The negotiations for Humphries starts now at $30 million guaranteed (basically two franchise tags). If you put the tag on him, then you would extend that guarantee for ANOHTER season, and you have to guarantee $43 million.

I see. I’m basing my thought on he won’t sign the tender. I also thought the franchise tag ties him here for one year and then he becomes a free agent unless you tag him again.

 

[kerouac9]

I see. I’m basing my thought on he won’t sign the tender. I also thought the franchise tag ties him here for one year and then he becomes a free agent unless you tag him again.

Yes. That's why the starting guarantee would be around $28-30 million — the guarantee associated with two consecutive Franchise tags.

 

[slanidrac16]

Yes. That's why the starting guarantee would be around $28-30 million — the guarantee associated with two consecutive Franchise tags.

Okay. But if we tag him and he sucks we can let him walk. If he performs we can tag him again or negotiate a long term deal. So tagging him this year does not tie him to the team. But tagging him 2 years in a row would cost more than just signing him now to a 4 or 5 year deal, at least the first two years. Am I understanding you correctly?

 

[kerouac9]

Okay. But if we tag him and he sucks we can let him walk. If he performs we can tag him again or negotiate a long term deal. So tagging him this year does not tie him to the team. But tagging him 2 years in a row would cost more than just signing him now to a 4 or 5 year deal, at least the first two years. Am I understanding you correctly?

Yes. You're making a bet that Humphries can match or exceed his current performance over the long term, which would provide excess value to the team.

Otherwise, you're paying more money now and in the future for a little extra flexibility. I think that cap flexibility is a little overrated; I'd rather have positional certainty around Humphries. I think that he's valued much more internally by the Cards than he is by the fans.

 

[BritCard]

Yes. You're making a bet that Humphries can match or exceed his current performance over the long term, which would provide excess value to the team.

Otherwise, you're paying more money now and in the future for a little extra flexibility. I think that cap flexibility is a little overrated; I'd rather have positional certainty around Humphries. I think that he's valued much more internally by the Cards than he is by the fans.

Oh yeah he's definitely valued much more internally than by fans, but then you can say that about pretty much every player.

One thing Keim is good at is telling himself the players are better than they are.

 

[unseenaz]

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i mean, it's true. if kirk doesn't like it he should do something about it. maybe another year of developing chemistry with K1 will help.. like another of isabella learning... another year wait to see what butler can do... the list goes on and on for all of our receivers.

 

[Garthshort]

Unless Juedy is available, which I doubt, I don't see us going WR in the first round. Probably, defense unless we lose Humphries in FA.

 

[Chopper0080]

I'd actually be surprised if Humphries is tagged. If you tag him, you're basically adding another $12-14 million guaranteed to the extension that you're expecting to sign him to. If you're already planning to tag him, what's the benefit of doing that? You're better off starting the clock on the guaranteed money this year.

Agreed. Also, the OTs on the market next year are going to raise the cost of OTs that it would be better to get ahead of it. In two years, Humphries at 14 mil will be a deal or he won't have stayed healthy. Neither will kill us if we invest draft picks into the position as well.

 

[kerouac9]

Oh yeah he's definitely valued much more internally than by fans, but then you can say that about pretty much every player.

One thing Keim is good at is telling himself the players are better than they are.

Nah. The fans like bad players more than the team does. Rodney Gunter, Deone Bucannon, Trent Sherfield... Guys like that.

I think the fans liked Bobbie Massie, Calais Campbell and Karlos Dansby more than Keim did, too.

 

[Chopper0080]

I guess I will just "bump" this since no one else will.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

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maybe that dude just lit a fire underneath Kirk's arse lol?

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Not if he signs the tender. The negotiations for Humphries starts now at $30 million guaranteed (basically two franchise tags). If you put the tag on him, then you would extend that guarantee for ANOHTER season, and you have to guarantee $43 million.

You were 100% right. That's exactly what they did. Started the clock on his guaranteed money. 29 million. Not exactly with full knowledge of his cap hit the next 2 seasons but his guaranteed money is 29 million in 2020 & 2021. Making 2022 a whole lot easier to release him cap wise if he doesn't perform.

 

[WildBB]

You were 100% right. That's exactly what they did. Started the clock on his guaranteed money. 29 million. Not exactly with full knowledge of his cap hit the next 2 seasons but his guaranteed money is 29 million in 2020 & 2021. Making 2022 a whole lot easier to release him cap wise if he doesn't perform.

He doesn't have any guaranteed money in 2022??