Preparing for Game 5

[Mulli]

Manfred Mann version is better.

Blasphemy.



(you might be right.)

 

[KloD]

Hey, I admitted that some of our players flop...especially the international ones. I'm a San Antonian, so am definitely biased toward the Spurs, but I'm not blinded by it.

That you call Nash for a flop when he was slammed...please. Besides an obvious homer claim, why on earth would he need to flop? They already had the game, all he needed to do is avoid defenders or take a foul and hit his free throws. Do players flop? Sure, but in this case.. to claim a flop is pathetically ignorant and insulting to the player Nash is.

 

[mr_sunshine]

Why are you so unhappy about the ending? You can chat it up all you want on Spurtalk.com about how unhappy you are with cheap-shot Horry, but the bottom line is that I'm pretty sure you will take the swap of Horry being out along with Amare and Boris. To say that they deserved to be tossed is lamn.

Nash was body checked and you want to call it a flop..classic. When the Spurs are on offense, at least one Spur falls to the floor on each play. So go back to Spurstalk and piss off.

I agree. Take your BS elsewhere.

 

[JulieSpursFan]

Why are you so unhappy about the ending? You can chat it up all you want on Spurtalk.com about how unhappy you are with cheap-shot Horry, but the bottom line is that I'm pretty sure you will take the swap of Horry being out along with Amare and Boris. To say that they deserved to be tossed is lamn.

Nash was body checked and you want to call it a flop..classic. When the Spurs are on offense, at least one Spur falls to the floor on each play. So go back to Spurstalk and piss off.

Uh. Duh. I'm unhappy because my team lost. I'm surprised I have to explain that to a sports fan. You must be really insecure if you can't handle a little dialogue from a Spurs fan. Do you own this site? Didn't think so. I will gladly "piss off" when a moderator tells me to, not some ordinary gas bag. Horry's elbow would have knocked Nash down regardless. Fouling Nash in the last 18 seconds was the Spurs only option and every team in the NBA would have done it. He just let the frustration and anger get to him and hit him a little hard, but not hard enough for that overly dramatic fall. You have to admit his theatrical landing was a major embellishment.

Also, you idiot, I have stated that I DO NOT want to see either of your players suspended. However, per the rules of the game, if they cross that line it is an automatic suspension. I just hope that doesn't happen.

 

[KloD]

The Spurs fans are as boring as their team.

 

[JulieSpursFan]

I agree. Take your BS elsewhere.

Why? Are you also afraid of an open discussion with a Spurs Fan?
Sadly, we have a few obnoxious, abusive people like you at Spurstalk too.
But we generally welcome the opinions of fans of our opponents, unless they're just heckling trolls. Which I have not been.

 

[Gaddabout]

Dear Julie,

Nash does indeed flop. Like Ginobli, he has used it to join the ranks of league leaders in taking charges. It is what it is.

But Horry's foul? Julie, that was not a flop. That is basic physics of a 190-lb. man running at full speed getting hip checked by a 240-lb. man at full stop. Nash's inertia had to take him somewhere, and Horry made sure it wasn't going to be forward.

Nash was clearly seeing stars, even after the game. Guys who see stars aren't usually guilty of acting.

 

[Dr. Dumas]

Uh. Duh. I'm unhappy because my team lost. I'm surprised I have to explain that to a sports fan. You must be really insecure if you can't handle a little dialogue from a Spurs fan. Do you own this site? Didn't think so. I will gladly "piss off" when a moderator tells me to, not some ordinary gas bag. Horry's elbow would have knocked Nash down regardless. Fouling Nash in the last 18 seconds was the Spurs only option and every team in the NBA would have done it. He just let the frustration and anger get to him and hit him a little hard, but not hard enough for that overly dramatic fall. You have to admit his theatrical landing was a major embellishment.

Also, you idiot, I have stated that I DO NOT want to see either of your players suspended. However, per the rules of the game, if they cross that line it is an automatic suspension. I just hope that doesn't happen.

It's funny that you want to keep bringing up the Nash body check as being overly dramatic. Yes every player/team in that situation is going to foul, but it's the nature of how the foul was given. Most will just wrap their arms around a player as they know the refs are thinking that the foul is going to occur.

When Nash and Parker banged heads, Parker was stretched across the floor looking like Tyson had just dropped him. Is last nights situation any different?

You should come to grips that the Spurs team is a bunch of floppy, whiney crybabies. The first step is acknowledgment.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Why? Are you also afraid of an open discussion with a Spurs Fan?
Sadly, we have a few obnoxious, abusive people like you at Spurstalk too.
But we generally welcome the opinions of fans of our opponents, unless they're just heckling trolls. Which I have not been.

Nope you are welcome to stay.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Nash hitting his head on the table was really the issue. A hip check isn't that big of a deal until another object stops the fall.

Heck I think those fouls where the player gets yanked to the ground mid jump are much much worse.

 

[Gaddabout]

It's funny that you want to keep bringing up the Nash body check as being overly dramatic. Yes every player/team in that situation is going to foul, but it's the nature of how the foul was given. Most will just wrap their arms around a player as they know the refs are thinking that the foul is going to occur.

Thank you for stating that! All Horry had to do was reach around, which is the unwritten rule in that situation. The refs know you're trying to stop the clock. I've even seen both arms wrapped around a player.

Horry had clear intent to put Nash on the floor. No question.

 

[Dr. Dumas]

Why? Are you also afraid of an open discussion with a Spurs Fan?
Sadly, we have a few obnoxious, abusive people like you at Spurstalk too.
But we generally welcome the opinions of fans of our opponents, unless they're just heckling trolls. Which I have not been.

Like these types of comments?

VASPURSFAN

"this league is *****...i'm all about the thugs that don the silver and black....renegades and gangsters."

GO SPURS GO

Sounds like some really good discussion going on over at Spurstalk...

 

[Gaddabout]

Why? Are you also afraid of an open discussion with a Spurs Fan?
Sadly, we have a few obnoxious, abusive people like you at Spurstalk too.
But we generally welcome the opinions of fans of our opponents, unless they're just heckling trolls. Which I have not been.

I've tried to participate at Spurstalk without much success. For the first 3 games I even derided other Suns fans who came to that board to bitch about foul calls, and joined in the chorus of Spurs fans who were preaching, "Just play the game."

Now that board is one big bitch fest about foul calls. It's hypocrisy at its finest. I would even agree that two of the calls on Duncan were bad calls, but so were many on the Suns throughout the series.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Lets not bring posts from other boards on here. It's clear both sites have different standards as to what is a healthy discussion. Bringing up the other site only encourages more acrimonious discussion.

 

[JulieSpursFan]

Dear Julie,

Nash does indeed flop. Like Ginobli, he has used it to join the ranks of league leaders in taking charges. It is what it is.

But Horry's foul? Julie, that was not a flop. That is basic physics of a 190-lb. man running at full speed getting hip checked by a 240-lb. man at full stop. Nash's inertia had to take him somewhere, and Horry made sure it wasn't going to be forward.

Nash was clearly seeing stars, even after the game. Guys who see stars aren't usually guilty of acting.

Well, he "said" he was seeing stars, but we don't know that. And by the way, seeing stars is no big deal, I see them whenever I stand up too soon or drink really cold water. But right after playing dead and "seeing stars" he had plenty of energy to jump up and go charging toward Horry. And I know Manu is a flopper. He's also a tremendous player, but flopper...yes, he's guilty and I don't like his flopping, but it seems to be taking over the league these days. Some guys are notorious for it. I don't think this argument will ever be resolved between Suns and Spurs fans, we're just going in circles, so I'm moving on from this issue.

 

[JulieSpursFan]

Nope you are welcome to stay.

thanks!

 

[Gaddabout]

Well, he "said" he was seeing stars, but we don't know that. And by the way, seeing stars is no big deal, I see them whenever I stand up too soon or drink really cold water. But right after playing dead and "seeing stars" he had plenty of energy to jump up and go charging toward Horry. And I know Manu is a flopper. He's also a tremendous player, but flopper...yes, he's guilty and I don't like his flopping, but it seems to be taking over the league these days. Some guys are notorious for it. I don't think this argument will ever be resolved between Suns and Spurs fans, we're just going in circles, so I'm moving on from this issue.

I'm just trying to figure out your point. Are you, in a backwards kind of way, saying what Horry did is defensible? And if Nash hadn't flopped so blatantly, with him being so big and strong, that Horry wouldn't have received a flagrant 2 despite having his elbow up?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I think Nash missing 2 out of 4 free throws might be proof that he was a bit off kilter after the foul. The adrenaline he would get from the fall would allow him to jump right back up despite seeing stars.

 

[JulieSpursFan]

You should come to grips that the Spurs team is a bunch of floppy, whiney crybabies. The first step is acknowledgment.

You should come to grips that you are an overreactive homer who has no interest in intelligent discussion with someone who doesn't share your views and can only throw out generic insults (whiny crybabies...how original).
Sorry Dumas, but you're only looking for a fight and this is getting tedious.

 

[cly2tw]

I think Nash missing 2 out of 4 free throws might be proof that he was a bit off kilter after the foul. The adrenaline he would get from the fall would allow him to jump right back up despite seeing stars.

Or he could be a real good actor and a great gambler who was sure a 4-pt lead with 18 secs left is enough to take the win home against the clueless Spurs.

PS: Oops, it was 3pt lead. It makes him even a greater gambler!

 

[JulieSpursFan]

I'm just trying to figure out your point. Are you, in a backwards kind of way, saying what Horry did is defensible? And if Nash hadn't flopped so blatantly, with him being so big and strong, that Horry wouldn't have received a flagrant 2 despite having his elbow up?

I am not being backwards or sly in the least. Nor have I defended Horry. By saying he was angry and frustrated is NOT an excuse for him to have done that. It just explains why he acted so out of character. Say what you will about Bruce, but this is not like Horry at all. I have stated QUITE CLEARLY that Horry committed a flagrant and deserves at least a one game suspension, possibly two. I also believe that Nash capitilized on that by exaggerating his fall. Something which we will never agree on.

Also, several of you are now calling Horry a dirty player. And that's a bunch of BS. In his almost twenty year career, this is the first time he's been ejected from a play off game. Even the commentators and journalists have said that this behavior was VERY unlike Horry and they were very surprised to see him lose his cool like that. You all know damn well he is not dirty, but of course you Phoenix fans are throwing that word around like confetti these days that is doesn't even mean anything anymore.

 

[Gaddabout]

but of course you Phoenix fans

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[JulieSpursFan]

Like these types of comments?

VASPURSFAN

"this league is *****...i'm all about the thugs that don the silver and black....renegades and gangsters."

GO SPURS GO

Sounds like some really good discussion going on over at Spurstalk...

I think this will be my last response to you since I think I'm wasting time talking to a twelve year old moron, who, like I said, is just looking for a fight no matter what I say. Did you even READ the part where I SAID we had some obnoxious and abusive posters at Spurs Talk??? Do you have comprehension problems? Let's just quit talking.

 

[azirish]

I have no problem discussing basketball with Spurs fans, but attacking Suns fans for being homers is not really a good way to start an intelligent conversation.

There is obviously going to be differences in opinion about things such as whether the refs called the game fairly, whether physical defense is just another term for fouling, or whether going down easily when taking charges is flopping. Accusing the Suns fans of being homers is hard to do without opening oneself up for a similar charge.

The most difficult aspect of the debate is over whether the Spurs are intentionally trying to physiclaly intimidate the Suns. Considering the number of extra hard fouls, it seems pretty obvious to us that the Spurs are prepared to turn this into a street fight. Horry's foul was not just too rough, it was designed to injure a two time MVP. That is the end result of this style of basketball and don't be surprised if we react strongly to it.

The "it's not in his character" defense misses the fact that what Horry did WAS in the character of what the Spurs do. Horry didn't snap. He just happend to be the player closest to Nash and knew the only hope of winning was to hurt Nash. He did hurt Nash. Nash is 90% free throw shooter and missed two of four foul shots.

Attempting to defend Horry is like defending a murderer. I really doesn't matter if hadn't murdered anyone before.

 

[Chaplin]

I think this will be my last response to you since I think I'm wasting time talking to a twelve year old moron, who, like I said, is just looking for a fight no matter what I say. Did you even READ the part where I SAID we had some obnoxious and abusive posters at Spurs Talk??? Do you have comprehension problems? Let's just quit talking.

Better watch it. Just FYI, people get banned here for calling people "morons".