Preseason week 2 kc football team vs Cardinals pregame thread. Aug 16 - Aug 20 2021

[Krangodnzr]

It’s obvious it’s pretty pointless for vets. Nobody is gonna remember what we did in preseason right when week 1 takes off whether we win or lose.

Think for yourself, not because of what Andy Reid thinks.

Reid still has some of that old school in him.

 

[Chopper0080]

Hope the starters don’t play a single snap. Would keep Isaiah & Zaven out there for a quarter, but that’s it.

With reduced practice time and practice time in pads, I am actually starting to change my view on this and I disagree. Games in the NFL are too valuable to start slow because you are trying to find a rhythm or get on the same page. There is a physical/athletic element of football that I just don't believe you can simulate in practice with the new rules/limitations.

I will not demand them play a half but I do believe you need to be able to get in the rhythm of the regular season prior to it's beginning so you can hit the ground running. You don't want to be negligent but I don't believe you can bubble wrap your team either.

 

[DVontel]

With reduced practice time and practice time in pads, I am actually starting to change my view on this and I disagree. Games in the NFL are too valuable to start slow because you are trying to find a rhythm or get on the same page. There is a physical/athletic element of football that I just don't believe you can simulate in practice with the new rules/limitations.

I will not demand them play a half but I do believe you need to be able to get in the rhythm of the regular season prior to it's beginning so you can hit the ground running. You don't want to be negligent but I don't believe you can bubble wrap your team either.

But with an extra game in there now, I think it’s even more pointless to play your starters than before. Do you really want extra wear & tear with an extra game involved now? It’s even more pointless if all of your starters are not playing all their starters.

I doubt, or at least hope not, someone is going to go back to Week 2 of the preseason & say “Damn, maybe Budda Baker should’ve played 1 more possession” after a week 7 loss.

 

[jf-08]

With reduced practice time and practice time in pads, I am actually starting to change my view on this and I disagree. Games in the NFL are too valuable to start slow because you are trying to find a rhythm or get on the same page. There is a physical/athletic element of football that I just don't believe you can simulate in practice with the new rules/limitations.

I will not demand them play a half but I do believe you need to be able to get in the rhythm of the regular season prior to it's beginning so you can hit the ground running. You don't want to be negligent but I don't believe you can bubble wrap your team either.

I agree. The Cards came out flat 2 years ago against the Lions in the 1st game because they basically did not do what the normally do in preseason.

 

[BritCard]

With reduced practice time and practice time in pads, I am actually starting to change my view on this and I disagree. Games in the NFL are too valuable to start slow because you are trying to find a rhythm or get on the same page. There is a physical/athletic element of football that I just don't believe you can simulate in practice with the new rules/limitations.

I will not demand them play a half but I do believe you need to be able to get in the rhythm of the regular season prior to it's beginning so you can hit the ground running. You don't want to be negligent but I don't believe you can bubble wrap your team either.

There's logic here that I agree with but then I look at the Rams not playing any starters in preseason for 3 years and they started 4-0, 3-1 and 3-1.

 

[Zeno]

But with an extra game in there now, I think it’s even more pointless to play your starters than before. Do you really want extra wear & tear with an extra game involved now? It’s even more pointless if all of your starters are not playing all their starters.

I doubt, or at least hope not, someone is going to go back to Week 2 of the preseason & say “Damn, maybe Budda Baker should’ve played 1 more possession” after a week 7 loss.

Week 7 no but week 1 or 2 could be directly attributed to a lack of preparation in the preseason.

I don't want starters getting a crazy amount of reps but this isn't a team that has been together for years and have a built in chemistry.

 

[PACardsFan]

Bottom line, it’s a crapshoot as to what works best. I do recall a 3rd preseason game in Minnesota years back when we lost like 4 starters to season ending injuries on that crap turf they had. I remember talking my wife & kids into leaving our beach vacation a day early to get home to see that Friday night game. The weather sucked, so no one argued with me. I was so pumped for that game & so demoralized after the injuries. And yet, it certainly was a bad decision in 2019 to completely avoid running our offense at all in the preseason.

 

[DVontel]

Week 7 no but week 1 or 2 could be directly attributed to a lack of preparation in the preseason.

I don't want starters getting a crazy amount of reps but this isn't a team that has been together for years and have a built in chemistry.

I just can’t buy starters playing a half of meaningless football where is everything is vanilla against a team who might not even play all their starters. I understood rookies because the speed & overall game isn’t something they’re used to be before. After that? Nah. I don’t see that as preparation, or at least right preparation.

With the extra game now in an already grueling sport, I thought more of you guys would be AGAINST playing starters at any point(rookies being exception) in the preseason.

 

[gmabel830]

To get in front of all the complaining, Urban posted a picture and the same grass is still in place for the game. I’m sure it will be replaced before the home opener.

 

[SoonerLou]

I see both sides. It is meaningless. Rams are one of the favorites to go to the Super Bowl and they are sitting everyone.

However, maybe this is statement half for Kliff. Maybe he wants to show on ESPN that everybody is sleeping on the Cards and for a half, they show they're the surprise team of the year.

Yes I know they arent scheming, but again for Kliff to show that the Cards have the firepower to matchup with the Chiefs.

I would probably sit the main guys. However, for Kliff this could be a springboard.

 

[Garthshort]

Why would you not set expectations of playing time in a game for the players?

Remember, coaches and GM's are not the only ones who tell fibs. I expect the players know about many plays they'll be in for. JMO.

 

[Hoodhero]

Why would you not set expectations of playing time in a game for the players?

Not sure if you watched Hard Knocks this week. Parsons was told he was going play x amount of snaps last week and sort of got upset with position coach when he got pulled early.

 

[Stout]

Bottom line, it’s a crapshoot as to what works best. I do recall a 3rd preseason game in Minnesota years back when we lost like 4 starters to season ending injuries on that crap turf they had. I remember talking my wife & kids into leaving our beach vacation a day early to get home to see that Friday night game. The weather sucked, so no one argued with me. I was so pumped for that game & so demoralized after the injuries. And yet, it certainly was a bad decision in 2019 to completely avoid running our offense at all in the preseason.

Oh Lord, I have fan PTSD over that game. Rob Moore tripped on a freaking run in the carpet and blew out his knee.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

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DEFENSIVE INTERIOR: No disrespect to J.J. Watt, who is still a tremendous individual player, but getting excited about a pass-rushing tandem of third-contract players into their 30s feels a little irresponsible. Free agency being what it is, we can sometimes get caught up in the excitement before realizing that Watt and Chandler Jones are going to need help generating the kind of mismatches they normally enjoy. The Cardinals upgraded at linebacker, which was a bit of a chicken-or-the-egg debate for their defense. What makes your unit better: Good linebackers, or good defensive tackles to soak up the blockers before they reach the next level? This is an elite running division, and Arizona’s offense, quick-strike capable as it is, cannot hang in games where their opponents are dominating time of possession.

 

[BritCard]

I think it's damned if you do and damned if you don't.

If you play starters and one gets hurt fans scream "Why did you play starters?!" and if you don't and you start the season badly then we shout "We should have played more starters in PS".

My personal preference would be to hold joint practices where you can portions of simulated games and play very little in preseason.

 

[BritCard]

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I like our Di. I think Fotu and Lawrence will take a leap. Peters and Watt will be their usual selves and fingers crossed for Philips.

I'm not sure on Allen. I can't decide if he's going to be a JAG or if he can make a leap. Big year for him. No camp noise so leaning JAG.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I would expect you'll see a lot of those same guys....guys that two weeks from now won't even be on a practice squad.

How much does it matter? I think it doesn't matter at all.

You’re not loving the process enough to be an effective fan.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

What is Kliff doing here?

Kliff Kingsbury won't reveal plan for playing starters, even to players

The Chiefs will play their starters a full half against the Cardinals on Friday. We don’t know how long the Cardinals’ starters will go.

cardswire.usatoday.com

“We haven’t really been told exactly how much we’re going to play this Friday,” running back Chase Edmonds said Wednesday.

12 dimensional chess!

 

[Chopper0080]

But with an extra game in there now, I think it’s even more pointless to play your starters than before. Do you really want extra wear & tear with an extra game involved now? It’s even more pointless if all of your starters are not playing all their starters.

I doubt, or at least hope not, someone is going to go back to Week 2 of the preseason & say “Damn, maybe Budda Baker should’ve played 1 more possession” after a week 7 loss.

I admit that there is an element of risk that comes with this and the payoff may not be worth it. Personally, I believe most injuries in football are by chance and random. Yes, you have a lesser chance of getting injured by not playing but the risk isn't 100% alleviated as you can get hurt in practice as well. I will also admit that I don't know where the line is, but I feel like preseason snaps are more valuable now than they were 5 years ago with how the union has limited practices. Because of that, IMO, finding that line is more critical than ever.

 

[Chopper0080]

I just can’t buy starters playing a half of meaningless football where is everything is vanilla against a team who might not even play all their starters. I understood rookies because the speed & overall game isn’t something they’re used to be before. After that? Nah. I don’t see that as preparation, or at least right preparation.

With the extra game now in an already grueling sport, I thought more of you guys would be AGAINST playing starters at any point(rookies being exception) in the preseason.

I am just throwing a number out there, but I don't believe that 3 to 5 drives vs live action prior to the season is excessive.

 

[Chopper0080]

12 dimensional chess!

Yeah. It is stuff like this that makes me shake my head with Kliff.

 

[GatorAZ]

This might be an AJ Hinch/Josh Byrnes situation where Kliff is taking orders. You’d think something like that would’ve leaked though.

 

[DVontel]

I like our Di. I think Fotu and Lawrence will take a leap. Peters and Watt will be their usual selves and fingers crossed for Philips.

I'm not sure on Allen. I can't decide if he's going to be a JAG or if he can make a leap. Big year for him. No camp noise so leaning JAG.

Outside of rookies & new FA signings, like they always push, who has been making “noise”? lol.

 

[DVontel]

I am just throwing a number out there, but I don't believe that 3 to 5 drives vs live action prior to the season is excessive.

That’s way too risky for my taste.

 

[Ronin]

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