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Horford is not a power guy. He's agile and fast and ate Pau up. He killed Pau on the jab step/go low move, facing him up. That's what Amare will do.

Sorry but you're wrong. Horford uses his body to perfection. Similar to Charles Barkley in that respect. Horford didn't kill Pau offensively, but on the boards by out working/using his body to box him out.

Dwight shot 100% but did not get easy looks and a bunch of dunks. Have you watched Dwight? Dude is ridiculous. Look, both of us know how much Bynum dunks...the only guy dunking more than Drew is Dwight. By a wide margin (before Bynum's knee).

The Lakers were TRIPLE TEAMING Howard with Pau guarding him. He still shot 100%. And no, they weren't all dunks either.

I agree in that what Pau lacks in defense, he makes up for in offense, especially the p&r with Kobe. But I would not dare Amare to shoot the jumper, not this year. He is solid at that. It is one of the areas he's really improved (a suns fan could give you specifics).

Haha, you kidding? Better Amare shooting 15ft jumpers than him scoring on easy dunks.
 
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Ask any NBA type who is the better team player, kobe or shaq? Shaq plays well with others and takes responsibility, kobe blames others for failure and resorts to gunning. But I realize he is a laker and his poop dont stink in lakerland.

So says ESPN.

I don't think Glen Rice or Eddie Jones are particularly fond of Shaq.

And dude, Shaq TAKES NO RESPONSIBLITY. That's part of the problem with him..always has been.

To refresh, and this came after YEARS of holding his tongue:

GRAY: What was your reaction to Shaq saying the Lakers are his team, and everybody knows it?

BRYANT: It doesn't matter whose team it is. Nobody cares. I don't, Karl [Malone] doesn't, Gary [Payton] doesn't, and our teammates and the fans don't either. There's more to life than whose team this is. But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win; it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy.


GRAY: Do you consider Shaq to be a leader?

BRYANT: Leaders don't beg for a contract extension and negotiate some 30 million [dollars] plus per year deal in the media when we have two future Hall of Famers playing here pretty much for free. A leader would not demand the ball every time down the floor when you have the three of us [Malone, Payton, Bryant] playing beside you, not to mention the teammates you have gone to war with for years -- and, by the way, then threaten not to play defense and rebound if you don't get the ball every time down the floor.

GRAY: Shaq says that you have not been a team player. Is he right?

BRYANT: That's ridiculous. I have been successfully sacrificing my game for years for Shaq. That's what Phil [Jackson] wanted me to do, so I did it. Last year Phil told me Shaq was not in physical condition to carry the trust of our offense, so he asked me to do it. But then he saw Shaq was getting upset that the team wasn't running through him, so Phil asked me to pull back and I did. This year is no different; my role is whatever Phil wants it to be. Period.


There are no untruths in those statements. Part of the reason I respect Kobe is because he took so long to let this out...pent up rage. I don't dislike Shaq, either, as a player or a personality. But his free pass is stupid and insulting. Mr. "Company Time's" attitude did not mesh with Kobe's "work your ass off" attitude... Read Lazenby's books. Listen to Tex Winter on Shaq.

Or, just think it's all that evil Kobe's fault.
 

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Again, you have not watched many of the matchups in the past then. You better hope the matchups are not like in the past. When PG has been on Amare it's been the opposite. He has gotten Pau in foul trouble. Pau cannot guard Amare on the defensive end. Period. The only thing Pau can hope for is that he is able to match Amare's output on the offensive end or hope he is not matched up against him much.

This isn't Memphis.

Ok, Pau can't guard Amare and Amare definetely can't guard Pau. Don't see how this is a 'mismatch'.

But you're wrong, Shaq is a much bigger mismatch for Pau than Amare. Amare does not dominate you physically with his body. Pau is quick enough to stay with Amare, this is a fact. He won't be shutting him down, but you're acting like Amare will score on him at will which is a huge reach.

I don't care how much you think Amare doesn't have a back to the basket game or is lack of battleing under the bucket. PG is as soft as they come for a big man so he will probably make Amare look huge around the bucket.

Thats if Amare stays around the bucket.

What the hell are taking about? Teams have been daring Amare to shoot that all season and he is hitting it with a high percentage. Because PG is guarding him all the sudden it's not going to fall? Are you serious?

Are you serious? It's called COMMON SENSE. Amare shoots an efg% of 46% on his jumpers, which is decent. Now compare that to the near 62% he is shooting at close range and the 94% he is shooting on dunks.

Yes, you dare Amare to shoot jumpers.

Boy I hope Paul does sag off Amare...please.

Me too.
 

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Sorry but you're wrong. Horford uses his body to perfection. Similar to Charles Barkley in that respect. Horford didn't kill Pau offensively, but on the boards by out working/using his body to box him out.

I was thinking of Harrington, my bad.



The Lakers were TRIPLE TEAMING Howard with Pau guarding him. He still shot 100%. And no, they were all dunks either.

No, they weren't. Not even close to triple teaming him.


Haha, you kidding? Better Amare shooting 15ft jumpers than him scoring on easy dunks.


I WILL agree with that, definitely. But I still don't want to give him the jumper by sagging off of him...are you saying that Pau would NEED to give him the jumper so he didn't get beat to the rim? If so, then wtf are we arguing about?
 

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No, they weren't. Not even close to triple teaming him.

Yes they were. I have the game Tivo'd. But yes they were TRIPLE TEAMING Dwight Howard at times.

I WILL agree with that, definitely. But I still don't want to give him the jumper by sagging off of him...are you saying that Pau would NEED to give him the jumper so he didn't get beat to the rim? If so, then wtf are we arguing about?

Huh? Simple. Would you rather have Amare going to the rim and shooting high percentage shots or letting him shoot a jumper that he only hits 46% of the time?

This is especially the case if Amare is playing the 4. Just like when Odom was the second option in LA, how do smart teams play him? They sag off him and push him right, which usually makes him irrevelant.

If you're guarding Amare, you'd rather have him beat you with jumpers rather than dunks.
 
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This isn't Memphis.

Pau is quick enough to stay with Amare, this is a fact.

Damn, must be tuned with chronic. Pau Gasol's main defensive weakness is his inability to move his feet, while amare is the fastest PF in the game off the dribble. Reality is just miles from your perceptions, are you sure you arent "ode to ostrich"?
 

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I guess it has nothing to do at all with the fact that the lakers havent even won a playoff series(in spite of Dick Bavetas best efforts)

Funny coming from a Suns fan where Donaghy hand fed you a victory against the Lakers in last season's playoffs.

I guess it has nothing to do at all with the fact that Shaq mailed in half the season annually. Gained close to a 70 pounds of fat. Made ridiculous contract demands and was just a classless idiot in general.

without the diesel, while the diesel has another championship. Yeah, no hard feelings, none at all. Buffalo chips dude!

This is what the media wants you think. In reality, no one really cared about all those KOBE vs SHAQ christmas games. Good job falling it for it.
 

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Damn, must be tuned with chronic. Pau Gasol's main defensive weakness is his inability to move his feet, while amare is the fastest PF in the game off the dribble. Reality is just miles from your perceptions, are you sure you arent "ode to ostrich"?

Thats not Gasol's main weakness. He's very good at playing angles and has good quickness for a 7 footer. His main weakness is his lack of physicality and power.

And like I pointed out, this is why I would have Pau sagging off. You don't give Amare the dribble. Dare him to shoot. Amare loves those outside shots.
 

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Ask any NBA type who is the better team player, kobe or shaq? Shaq plays well with others and takes responsibility, kobe blames others for failure and resorts to gunning. But I realize he is a laker and his poop dont stink in lakerland.


Give an example.....give us an excerpt from an interview with a link that supports what you just stated............

Ill wait.............
 

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Suns suck. Aristotle sucks. Lying rules. Lakers all the way!!!! Suns will never win a championship. Nash is a little bi@tch that takes flops every other play casue he has no defense. AMare, with his big @ss necklace a tthe all star weekend, what a douchebag. Raja bell has no D against Kobe, all he can do is clothesline him to stop him. Hahahaha. trollers rule. Long Live LA, Long Live Trollers, Kick me off if you're afraid of the truth. ahahahaha.
 

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Suns suck. Aristotle sucks. Lying rules. Lakers all the way!!!! Suns will never win a championship. Nash is a little bi@tch that takes flops every other play casue he has no defense. AMare, with his big @ss necklace a tthe all star weekend, what a douchebag. Raja bell has no D against Kobe, all he can do is clothesline him to stop him. Hahahaha. trollers rule. Long Live LA, Long Live Trollers, Kick me off if you're afraid of the truth. ahahahaha.

No freaking way! You're really a lakerfan? Who knew?































































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Suns suck. Aristotle sucks. Lying rules. Lakers all the way!!!! Suns will never win a championship. Nash is a little bi@tch that takes flops every other play casue he has no defense. AMare, with his big @ss necklace a tthe all star weekend, what a douchebag. Raja bell has no D against Kobe, all he can do is clothesline him to stop him. Hahahaha. trollers rule. Long Live LA, Long Live Trollers, Kick me off if you're afraid of the truth. ahahahaha.

E tu Plato?
 

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Suns suck. Aristotle sucks. Lying rules. Lakers all the way!!!! Suns will never win a championship. Nash is a little bi@tch that takes flops every other play casue he has no defense. AMare, with his big @ss necklace a tthe all star weekend, what a douchebag. Raja bell has no D against Kobe, all he can do is clothesline him to stop him. Hahahaha. trollers rule. Long Live LA, Long Live Trollers, Kick me off if you're afraid of the truth. ahahahaha.

Congrats, you've solidified your place in ASFN history as one of the biggiest idiot Laker fans to troll the Suns board. Now go away.. fly fly away little person.
 

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I think everyone is sooooooooo centered on the Pau/Amare - Pau/Shaq matchups. IF Amare scores 35 and Gasol scores 30-35 it negates any offensive advantage (it becomes a stalemate). We all know Kobe's gonna get his tonight as Hill nor Raja can guard him one on one. The biggest advantage might come from the bench. Advantage Lakers. Farmar and Sasha have been playing superb lately and Luke has contributed well. Radmonovic is connecting finally.There's finally balance on the roster. The Suns have to be concerned tonight with integration of style and personnel. They also may have to be concerned if foul trouble affects Amare because if he's relegated to the pine and Shaq's minutes are limited, this could tilt heavily in the Lakers advantage.

IMO, the two most important figures on the SUns tonight are Raja and Amare. They absolutely must stay out of foul trouble.

Look past the Amare/Pau matchup.........it wont be the only factor in this game.
 

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Give an example.....give us an excerpt from an interview with a link that supports what you just stated............

Ill wait.............

While you're waiting... how about doing the same... I'm sure Bynum thinks the world of Kome's leadership.
 

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Give an example.....give us an excerpt from an interview with a link that supports what you just stated............

Ill wait.............

Keep waiting, trashtown, keep waiting. I dont make a practice of educating the ignorant with the obvious and wasting my time. Educate yourself if you care, the leadership is obvious if you know what to look for. If not you never will understand it without special ED and I'm not certified for that.
 

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Keep waiting, trashtown, keep waiting. I dont make a practice of educating the ignorant with the obvious and wasting my time. Educate yourself if you care, the leadership is obvious if you know what to look for. If not you never will understand it without special ED.

Youve got nothing because nothing exists. Admit it. Your comments are transparent now. Either produce the evidence or stop talkin out of your gluteal cavity about something you know nothing about. Else its deemed trash.

You have wasted time......your own. Enough drivel bruh. Youre in over your head now. That much is apparent. So much for taking you serious.
 

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This isn't Memphis.

Ok, Pau can't guard Amare and Amare definetely can't guard Pau. Don't see how this is a 'mismatch'.

But you're wrong, Shaq is a much bigger mismatch for Pau than Amare. Amare does not dominate you physically with his body. Pau is quick enough to stay with Amare, this is a fact. He won't be shutting him down, but you're acting like Amare will score on him at will which is a huge reach.



Thats if Amare stays around the bucket.



Are you serious? It's called COMMON SENSE. Amare shoots an efg% of 46% on his jumpers, which is decent. Now compare that to the near 62% he is shooting at close range and the 94% he is shooting on dunks.

Yes, you dare Amare to shoot jumpers.



Me too.

Are you dense? 2/3 of all shots in the NBA are jumpers. Every player would prefer that every opposing player in the NBA take a jump shot compared to a layup or Dunk. Comparing percentages of dunking or layups compared to jump shots makes ZERO sense. We already know you would rather give up a jump shot. That's goes for every player.

However, that doesn't mean you want that player to take open looks if he shoots a good percentage. That makes zero sense. Compare Amare's EFG% (.467) to other Powerforward/centers in the league. He is one of the best. Hell Amare has a better EFG% then Kobe who is at .457. So I would rather Kobe take jump shots then drive to the basket too. That doesn't mean I want to sag off Kobe or any other shooter (around 45%) in this league. That would be stupid.

So since when is 46% a bad jump shooting percentage? Are you kidding me? Again, please leave Amare open for jumpers. Please. In fact, please pass on that wonderful bit of coaching to Phil and ask him to institute that on all opposing players against the Lakers.

Huh? Simple. Would you rather have Amare going to the rim and shooting high percentage shots or letting him shoot a jumper that he only hits 46% of the time?


Again..DUH. That applies to EVERY SINGLE PLAYER IN THE NBA. Show me a list of players that don't shoot a higher percentage close up via dunks or layups compared to their jumpers?!?!?!?!? If 46% wasn't good enough then coaches wouldn't bother adjusting to Amare (playing him tighter) like they always do during games.

In fact why put a hand up at all against any player who shoots around 46% on jumpers. Useless right?


They sag off him and push him right, which usually makes him irrevelant.

Show me the last game where Amare has been made irrelevant...PERIOD? Any big man who can hit 46% of the time from the outside will never be considered irrelevant.


If you're guarding Amare, you'd rather have him beat you with jumpers rather than dunks.

Runner up to the biggest "Duh" statement of the year. That goes for all players. Again, doesn't mean you would want someone with a good percentage to shoot open jumpers by sagging off.

And like I pointed out, this is why I would have Pau sagging off. You don't give Amare the dribble. Dare him to shoot. Amare loves those outside shots.

Thank god you don't coach for teams in the NBA. Most coaches would salivate at an opportunity for a decent jump shooter to get open looks on a nightly basis by some idiotic strategy of saggin off.
 
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Yeah Trophy, you dont want to waste his time. If you dont watch it, he will explain the dunk to you.
 

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While you're waiting... how about doing the same... I'm sure Bynum thinks the world of Kome's leadership.

Bryant's teammates respect what he says because Bryant puts in the time to understand the nuances of the game--and that leads us straight to the leadership that Bryant demonstrated before the game. It was no accident that Bynum blocked O'Neal's shot twice in rapid succession; Bynum explained after the game, "Working with Kobe before the game, he told me how to play Jermaine; he likes to go to his right shoulder a lot and then he spins back. I was just trying to be ready to bother his shot and I got a couple of them." Some people might assume that a shooting guard can't help a post player's development but clearly this is not true, at least in Bryant's case. This kind of leadership may not earn any p.r. points--unless the media chooses to report it--but it builds team chemistry and helps to win games.

http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/2007/11/basketball-clinic-kobe-mentors-bynum.html
 

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That was a different era--when even men cursed with a unileg could still put up big numbers.
 
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