Probably unpopular here regarding this regime…

[Krangodnzr]

What are the chances at the end of the year, the Cards are sitting outside the top 3 in the draft and we're all here saying "Tanks for nothing."?

The idiocy is advocating signing ho hum players that would push this scenario to more of a likelihood.

Clear the damn cap and start over.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

The idiocy is advocating signing ho hum players that would push this scenario to more of a likelihood.

Clear the damn cap and start over.

I hear you...I'm just inclined to believe that Gannon, if given the opportunity, would pull a Lovie Smith...and coach to win every game even at the detriment of the team's draft position.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Wait til you see what Chris Jones gets. Shoot: Aaron Donald is $31 million per year.

The argument is that you can find Allen's production for significantly less.

A guy like Sebastian Joseph-Day is about as effective as Allen and gets paid half as much.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I hear you...I'm just inclined to believe that Gannon, if given the opportunity, would pull a Lovie Smith...and coach to win every game even at the detriment of the team's draft position.

It's not the end of the world if the Cardinals don't get the #1 pick.

 

[GatorAZ]

I got roasted for mentioning Pioli had anything to do with the Patriots success....lol Where were you when I needed you? haha

Not a Belichick hater but that first dynasty was filled with Parcell’s guys. The second half was mostly Brady not only on the field but taking pay cuts every year to keep important pieces around. Bringing Matt Patricia back as an offensive coach is probably the straw that broke the camel’s back when it comes to Kraft.

 

[GatorAZ]

If you're trading Murray in 2024, then you're cutting people because the payroll will be too high.

Trading Kyler in 24’ actually creates cap space despite a huge cap hit. It’s not a Deshaun Watson type deal.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I don't mind bailing on Ertz, Conner, Gardeck, Prater, and trading Baker to free up 30 mil if it means keeping two under 26 players who are also top 10 on my roster. Even if we end up trading Kyler.

Bailing on those 5 to free up 30M, and then spending 20M on one DL, doesn't seem like a net positive for the roster.

 

[Chopper0080]

Ertz: $7 million saved
Conner: 8.5 million
Gardeck: 2.8 million
Prater: 3.5 million
Baker? A couple hundred thousand.

Still not $30 million. I guess kind of close. More like $20 million though. And if the Cardinals do trade Murray, they will have to cut all of these guys and then some just so sign anyone. His dead cap is $3.9 million and his cap number is $4.3 million.

Ertz. 7.5
Conner 5.49
Gardeck 2.8
Prater 3.5
Baker 14.6

=33.89 per overthecap

Come on. You should know I don't just throw around numbers.

 

[Chopper0080]

Bailing on those 5 to free up 30M, and then spending 20M on one DL, doesn't seem like a net positive for the roster.

It's only 15.25 avg over 3 years. It is 19 mil in 2024.

In terms of those 5 players...they don't matter. Prater should never have been re-signed. Ertz and Conner could have been cut candidates this year. Budda wants to go to a franchise that is trying to win. Gardeck is meh. I would rather have 1 decent DL under 27.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Ertz. 7.5
Conner 5.49
Gardeck 2.8
Prater 3.5
Baker 14.6

=33.89 per overthecap

Come on. You should know I don't just throw around numbers.

Wildly different from spotrac.

 

[Krangodnzr]

OTCs numbers on Murray look way off.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It's only 15.25 avg over 3 years. It is 19 mil in 2024.

If there was an actual player discussed and I missed it, I apologize. I thought we were talking generalities here.

 

[Chopper0080]

Wildly different from spotrac.

Interesting.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Interesting.

Look at them LOL.

OTC says Murray would only carry a $29 million dead cap next year which is wildly different from Spotrac which says $80 million. I believe Spotrac, their number is way closer to what I've heard elsewhere.

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[TheCardFan]

OTC says Murray would only carry a $29 million dead cap next year which is wildly different from Spotrac which says $80 million. I believe Spotrac, their number is way closer to what I've

I think they are the same. Traded in 2023:

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[TheCardFan]

Same thing for 2024

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[Goldfield]

Because it is an important position, we are building mostly through the draft which is cheap, and it is only a three year deal. Fits most of what I am looking for to help fill in the gaps as I draft and develop the roster overall.

Good point

 

[TheCardFan]

Based on the numbers above - if you are going to trade Kyler, it makes more sense in 2023.

You get the cap rollover ($20m from 2023?) to go along with the big cap hit in 2024.
You draft HIGH picks in 2024 (~6 players in the top 70-80 players plus whatever you get for Kyler).
You also start over (5 years) on a rookie QB contract - just have to make the right choice.
2025 - you have a completely different roster, one year of experience for rookies, and you can add free agents that make a real impact.

If you take that hit in 2025 - you lose a year in rebuild.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'd be shocked if Ertz or Conner are on the team in 2024. That view isn't even about gutting the team, I think they'd be gone no matter who was running the show. Their salaries are likely to be far higher than their projected production.

I also think Hollywood Brown is our player most likely to be traded during this season. I don't think they will have any appetite for giving him a 20+ million dollar contract. Trading for him was a Keim mistake, extending him would double down on the folly.

His departure probably won't sit well with Murray, but I doubt it will make any difference in the 'vision' for the rebuild.

 

[slanidrac16]

Tank or not, you can bet Gannon and the 53 guys on this roster are going to bust their collective ass to win each and every game.
Now, the mind is willing and the body might not be able to but that’s another story.
I really hope we somehow win this opening game just to see the narrative on this site. Will it be joy? Will it be disdain because we are “ ruining our draft position”.
What the hell. I say we win 18-17…that seems to be a popular score this year.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Tank or not, you can bet Gannon and the 53 guys on this roster is going to bust their collective ass to win each and every game.
Now, the mind is willing and the body might not be able to but that’s another story.
I really hope we somehow win this opening game just to see the narrative on this site. Will it be joy? Will it be disdain because we are “ ruining our draft position”.
What the hell. I say we win 18-17…that seems to be a popular score this year.

I’d be happier with 17-18. This season means nothing other than player development and on the job training for a lot of coaches in new positions. Our future is more important. If we somehow get out to a legit great start I’ll change my thinking. But it can’t be flukey for me to do so.

 

[Chopper0080]

Tank or not, you can bet Gannon and the 53 guys on this roster is going to bust their collective ass to win each and every game.
Now, the mind is willing and the body might not be able to but that’s another story.
I really hope we somehow win this opening game just to see the narrative on this site. Will it be joy? Will it be disdain because we are “ ruining our draft position”.
What the hell. I say we win 18-17…that seems to be a popular score this year.

I agree. I don't believe the coaches or the players are going to try to lose. Tanking is done at the front office level.