Prospects at #31

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There's not much time for a decent mourning for the Suns' #7, because the draft is less than 24 hours away now. Here are some players I think might be considerations at #31 (feel free to add your own):


Viktor Khryapa (6'9" SF, Russia): Suns worked him out last year, then told him to go back to Russia. He's Kirilenko's polar opposite: a tremendous shooter, but not much of an athlete.

Ricky Minard (6'4" SG, Morehead State): Suns brought him in to fill out a foursome of SGs, and he wound up making JR Smith look pretty bad IIRC. He is a physical defender and a good all-around player, but a streaky outside shooter--kind of a short man's Kirk Snyder.

Ha Seung-Jin (7'3" C, South Korea): He's attempting to answer the question, 'is it possible to become an NBA player without ever playing competitive basketball?' He's spent the last year in Los Angeles with SFX, learning how to do the splits and growing his hair out so he isn't so fugly. A physically imposing player who probably needs about six or eight years of minor-league b-ball to reach his 'potential'.

Tony Allen (6'4" SG, Oklahoma State): A tremendous athlete, but short and a poor outside shooter. A very productive college player. If Allen can fix his shot up, he should stick in the league for a while, but it's hard to see him finding his way into anybody's starting lineup.

Ales Chan (7'1" C, Seton Hill): The Suns brought Chan in for a workout before anybody had even heard of him. He impressed a lot of teams with his size and smoothness in Chicago, though, so he'll probably be drafted at some point. Chan played reasonably well for his minor-college team, and his legs do go all the way up...

Donta Smith (6'7" SG/SF, SE Illinois CC): Supposedly is a great defender when he wants to be, and he has the NBA body. Draft City has a clip of his airballed jumpers from a workout in Chicago.

Christian Drejer (6'9" SG/SF, Denmark): Point forward who was considered an eventual lottery lock before he enrolled at Florida. Drejer had some injuries there and plenty of trouble adjusting, and eventually left halfway through the season to sign a $1m contract with FC Barcelona; by NBA rules, his name was automatically entered in this year's draft. If the Suns are looking for a player to draft and hold overseas, Drejer is probably the most talented.

Trevor Ariza (6'8" SG/SF, UCLA): Another great but raw athlete who inexplicably declared for the draft after his freshman year. He's recovering from a collapsed lung, has maturity problems, and can't shoot too well. Oh yeah, he also weighs a buck ninety-five. He's supposed to be a tremendous defender, though.

Jackson Vroman (6'10" C, Iowa State): Voskuhl-type prospect--a decent athlete and defender who plays with intensity and can score if he's under the basket. Shoots FTs at about 50%.

Beno Udrih (6'4" PG, Slovenia): 22-year-old who played his way onto the first-round bubble in Chicago. Is supposed to have a nice shot, but his playmaking skills and defense are still a little suspect. Another player who might be left to develop overseas after he's drafted.

Delonte West (6'2" PG/SG, St. Joseph's): Came out a year too early--he really needed to spend his senior year running the point to impress NBA scouts. Really nice college player but not an explosive athlete, and he's a SG in a PG's body.


Drejer and Ariza seem to have the highest ceilings--I'd prefer Drejer, since he's staying in Europe anyway. Viktor Khryapa, Ricky Minard and Tony Allen might be able to contribute immediately, in a small way. At center, Ales Chan sounds a little more promising to me than the others do.
 
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There are also a couple of young players without guarantees who might drop--High-school bomber J.R. Smith and pituitary case Pavel Podkolzine. Either of those players would be a long-shot to still be available at #31, though.
 

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I thought Allen was supposed to be a pretty good shooter? Maybe he can be a poor man's Michael Redd.
 

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F-Dog said:
Christian Drejer (6'9" SG/SF, Denmark): Point forward who was considered an eventual lottery lock before he enrolled at Florida. Drejer had some injuries there and plenty of trouble adjusting, and eventually left halfway through the season to sign a $1m contract with FC Barcelona; by NBA rules, his name was automatically entered in this year's draft. If the Suns are looking for a player to draft and hold overseas, Drejer is probably the most talented.
I think Drejer should be our man. He's had an ankle injury before, nothing that doesnt heal, but I guess for a while he was tentative on the court. I see him as a good Mike Miller/Brent Berry (less athletecism) type player.
 
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elindholm said:
I thought Allen was supposed to be a pretty good shooter? Maybe he can be a poor man's Michael Redd.

Supposedly, his shot comes and goes. (I wasn't watching for him if I even saw him play this year). Range is the main issue, since he shot under 30% from 3-pt range last year.

'Poor man's Michael Finley' might be a decent comparison, as well. I recall that Finley shot 25% for threes in his last year in college.
 

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Range is the main issue, since he shot under 30% from 3-pt range last year.

Oh, I just have a bad memory then. I thought I looked him up and he was like 36% or something.

Edit: I see, he shot well as a junior but not last year. His attempts aren't very numerous, though, so it's hard to know what to think. Probably the most useful look would be to combine his stats over the past two years, which would put him around 34% (just eyeballing it).
 
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elindholm said:
Range is the main issue, since he shot under 30% from 3-pt range last year.

Oh, I just have a bad memory then. I thought I looked him up and he was like 36% or something.

Maybe your memory is too good. ;)

According to ESPN, Allen shot 29.7% 3pt last year. In 2002-3, though, he hit 39.5 of his 3pt attempts.
 

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cepstrum said:
I think Drejer should be our man. He's had an ankle injury before, nothing that doesnt heal, but I guess for a while he was tentative on the court. I see him as a good Mike Miller/Brent Berry (less athletecism) type player.

Derejer makes no sense. At #31 the Suns can get a very cheap roster filler. Why would they keep their pick in europe? I could have seen the point if it saved them a guaranteed lottery contract while they are under the cap...

Drejer makes more cash at Barcelona than a 2nd round pick.

Also Drejer by most accounts is a headcase.

And his college career wasn't exactly glorious or what everyone predicted it would be.

I would rather get Ariza because he has potential as he is only 19yrs or so and probably shouldn't have declared right now.
He can be a big bust or even a star. I take that gamble in the 2nd round everytime almost.
 
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i'm just hoping that someone who nobody expects to fall out of the first round drops into our lap at #31
 

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Viktor Khryapa is a decent prospect - watched him play a few years back. I also like David Harrison, Romain Sato, Christian Drejer, Herve Lamizana, Trevor Ariza, Darius Rice, Andre Emmett, Bryant Matthews, Andre Brown - have never seen Minard though.
 

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I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the Phoenix Suns moved this draft pick as well. Either that or I think there's a good chance they will take a European who drops to them and might be willing to wait to come to the NBA.

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I doubt Suns trade pick? Suns need 4 players atleast still and how many players would come this cheap and having decent talent - I could be wrong though?
 
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Joe Mama said:
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the Phoenix Suns moved this draft pick as well. Either that or I think there's a good chance they will take a European who drops to them and might be willing to wait to come to the NBA.

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I hope you're right, because it would signal that the Suns are going to fill out their roster with free agents this summer, instead of blowing their entire wad on He Who Shall Remain Nameless.
 

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Gambo mentioned the Suns would be interested in Varejao, Sato, Tony Allen, and Trevor Ariza (he said that Ariza might be their pick).
 

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slinslin said:
Gambo mentioned the Suns would be interested in Varejao, Sato, Tony Allen, and Trevor Ariza (he said that Ariza might be their pick).

What the F?

Trevor Ariza shouldn't even be IN the draft, let alone get picked by the Phoenix Suns at #31.
 
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Chaplin said:
What the F?

Trevor Ariza shouldn't even be IN the draft, let alone get picked by the Phoenix Suns at #31.

You could say the same thing about Dorrell Wright, who's a similar player (six months younger, though).

Ariza is supposed to have Bowen-like potential as a wing defender; anybody that can get him at the right moment will probably have themselves a player. It probably won't be the team that drafts him, of course (like Stephen Jackson).
 

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F-Dog said:
You could say the same thing about Dorrell Wright, who's a similar player (six months younger, though).

Ariza is supposed to have Bowen-like potential as a wing defender; anybody that can get him at the right moment will probably have themselves a player. It probably won't be the team that drafts him, of course (like Stephen Jackson).

I saw him IN PERSON this season at a game at Pawley, and he was nothing special--it didn't help that the Bruins sucked ass, but still... The kid was only a freshman and jumped when he shouldn't have. He may have some defensive ability, but so do a lot of players in college. Doesn't mean they should declare after their freshman year, does it?
 
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Chaplin said:
I saw him IN PERSON this season at a game at Pawley, and he was nothing special--it didn't help that the Bruins sucked ass, but still... The kid was only a freshman and jumped when he shouldn't have. He may have some defensive ability, but so do a lot of players in college. Doesn't mean they should declare after their freshman year, does it?

Not without a first-round guarantee, that's for sure. ;)
 

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Varejao is another good prospect (he made three 3PTers against Team USA), although I doubt he's at #31... not too sure on Tony Allen - he could play both Guard positions ala Sato with JJ/Barbosa on team but I would have to watch games, to add him to my previous list.
 

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If we draft Delonte West, I am never watching another Suns game in my life.

We can still get Shaq people. The Suns are good at keeping things quiet, like trading of the draft pick.

Shaq and Luke Walton
For
Marion, Lampe, MUCHO CASH, Picks, and Dice in a sign and trade.

THIS CAN BE PULLED OFF! Marion is a SF, and they suck at SF. Then they run Kobe at SG, Payton/Fish at PG, Marion at SF, McDyess at PF, and Lampe at C and then the future allstar Kareem Rush as backup at all guard positiosns. WE NEED SHAQ, and i believe Marion, Lampe, Dice and Picks are enough. We free up their cap, give them better players, and then they can attempt to get bigger and better things.

That is a huge increase at PF and SF.
 

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If we draft Delonte West, I am never watching another Suns game in my life.

We can still get Shaq people. The Suns are good at keeping things quiet, like trading of the draft pick.

Shaq and Luke Walton
For
Marion, Lampe, MUCHO CASH, Picks, and Dice in a sign and trade.

THIS CAN BE PULLED OFF! Marion is a SF, and they suck at SF. Then they run Kobe at SG, Payton/Fish at PG, Marion at SF, McDyess at PF, and Lampe at C and then the future allstar Kareem Rush as backup at all guard positiosns. WE NEED SHAQ, and i believe Marion, Lampe, Dice and Picks are enough. We free up their cap, give them better players, and then they can attempt to get bigger and better things.

That is a huge increase at PF and SF.

No way. Why would both organization want to "improve" the other? Just isn't realistic.
 

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Ariza is basically a highschool player. If you get him some real coaching he is probably going to benefit more than the other guys that could be had.
 

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We should give them Voskuhl cause they will need a back up center for whoever replaces Shaq.


Shaq deals are out of the question. I was wrong when I thought we could absorb part of Shaqs salary, and only have to match the rest. If a trade puts a team over the cap by more than 100,000 dollars, they must then match salaries within the normal exceptions.
 

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