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Does it bother anyone else that a high first round draft pick with success in college at safety is not being given the chance to at least temporarily help at safety? He clearly is neither ready to help significantly at ILB nor is he desperately needed there. Is it possible the Cards are so unimpressed with his play that they don’t believe he’s of value at safety? Signing Ward who didn’t play at all last year wreaks of desperation and would seem to make a statement about Simmons.
 

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Does it bother anyone else that a high first round draft pick with success in college at safety is not being given the chance to at least temporarily help at safety? He clearly is neither ready to help significantly at ILB nor is he desperately needed there. Is it possible the Cards are so unimpressed with his play that they don’t believe he’s of value at safety? Signing Ward who didn’t play at all last year wreaks of desperation and would seem to make a statement about Simmons.
Ward didn’t play in 2018 as well... [emoji15]
 

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Isn't Ward on the practice squad. I would suspect the Cardinals would want to protect themselves.
 

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Does it bother anyone else that a high first round draft pick with success in college at safety is not being given the chance to at least temporarily help at safety? He clearly is neither ready to help significantly at ILB nor is he desperately needed there. Is it possible the Cards are so unimpressed with his play that they don’t believe he’s of value at safety? Signing Ward who didn’t play at all last year wreaks of desperation and would seem to make a statement about Simmons.

There's a whole, multi page thread on this. Plenty on this board are bothered by this situation. @BritCard
 

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Yes. Absolutely.

As I said elsewhere. Kenneth Murray and Patrick Queen have been starting, they haven't been playing well either. Jeremy Chinn has converted from safety to linebacker in exactly the same way and has been starting, again also hasn't been playing great but they are giving him the reps.

I just don't see how someone with as much talent as Simmons can be dog crap enough to not get snaps in this defense which is nowhere near the Ravens and Chargers defenses that Queen and Murray are playing in.

There's no excuse for him not getting snaps at nickel backer as intended. Got to take the lumps to get better.

I can understand them being reticent with the mistakes he's made, they want to win games they can win in the softer part of the schedule but we also should be making Simmons better now so he's ready when the schedule gets tougher.

What makes your #8 pick better is playing. What makes him worse is sapping his confidence by telling him he's not ready when his peers are starting for better teams.

He has been bad though, there's a video here that show's a little of how bad but it does get a bit nit picky. But he's not going to get better without reps.

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Does it bother anyone else that a high first round draft pick with success in college at safety is not being given the chance to at least temporarily help at safety? He clearly is neither ready to help significantly at ILB nor is he desperately needed there. Is it possible the Cards are so unimpressed with his play that they don’t believe he’s of value at safety? Signing Ward who didn’t play at all last year wreaks of desperation and would seem to make a statement about Simmons.
Adding even more speculation what happened with Tony Jefferson who came in for a visit and is a former Cardinal? Something must be making Clinton-Dix untouchable as we brought in a 33 year old S who last played in 2017.

Will ARZ Hassan Riddick (play out of position) Isaiah Simmons? Simmons has some of the same skill set as Adrian Wilson, a S who can cover and blitz.
 

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Adding even more speculation what happened with Tony Jefferson who came in for a visit and is a former Cardinal? Something must be making Clinton-Dix untouchable as we brought in a 33 year old S who last played in 2017.

Will ARZ Hassan Riddick (play out of position) Isaiah Simmons? Simmons has some of the same skill set as Adrian Wilson, a S who can cover and blitz.

I don't believe Jefferson came in. Press said he was but he tried out for the Colts instead.
 

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Adding even more speculation what happened with Tony Jefferson who came in for a visit and is a former Cardinal? Something must be making Clinton-Dix untouchable as we brought in a 33 year old S who last played in 2017.

Will ARZ Hassan Riddick (play out of position) Isaiah Simmons? Simmons has some of the same skill set as Adrian Wilson, a S who can cover and blitz.
Jefferson never tried out. I also already told you about Clinton-Dix, but you didn’t want to listen so yea.
 

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Of the top 15 picks in 2020, 13 are starters with two exceptions Tagovailoa and Simmons. You can argue Herbert was due to injury however he's playing pretty good.
 

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Yes. Absolutely.

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thanks for this

what it looks like to me:

im not worried about him getting abused by George Kittle on his first NFL snap.

but he seems so aggressive in his coverage -- like he is jumping every first move

on the Mostert TD (and i get this is sooooo easy to say): but if he maintained inside leverage in coverage, on the cutback he would have been in the way -- or -- if it was truly a route to the flat, then he probably tracks Mostert down for a 5 yard gain

i think he needs to trust his ability more to close after the ball is in the air
 

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thanks for this

what it looks like to me:

im not worried about him getting abused by George Kittle on his first NFL snap.

but he seems so aggressive in his coverage -- like he is jumping every first move

on the Mostert TD (and i get this is sooooo easy to say): but if he maintained inside leverage in coverage, on the cutback he would have been in the way -- or -- if it was truly a route to the flat, then he probably tracks Mostert down for a 5 yard gain

i think he needs to trust his ability more to close after the ball is in the air

A lot of the problem with rookies is nerves and overthinking which leads to tightness and slowing natural reflexes.

A lot of 1st round rookies are bad right now, but other teams are taking their lumps.

I actually think safety will be more forgiving for Simmons. Gives him a bit more time to think.
 

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What's more concerning? That he isnt playing or the head coach believes with his loaded offense he can't score enough points to cover for a few rookie mistakes.

Kingsbury is on my poop list right now
 

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Seems to me that there are TWO possible defensive positions:
1. First is ILB, but we have one.
2. Second is Safety, but he probably needs an offseason to learn how to play NFL safety.

So this year it looks like he will only contribute on Special Teams, unless Campbell gets injured, or unless we have no one else physically able to play safety. Based on the eyeball test, he looks like an NFL player. JMO.
 

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What's more concerning? That he isnt playing or the head coach believes with his loaded offense he can't score enough points to cover for a few rookie mistakes.

Kingsbury is on my poop list right now
Have to disagree with this angle. Kliff probably believes he has a playoff caliber team and therefor most likely wants to make moves that are most beneficial for the team in the here and now. There is no rush to get Simmons out there if they don't believe he is quite ready yet and can either wait till they believe he's ready or injuries force their hand (Campbell or Hicks mainly).

NFL games are pretty routinely close even when you don't think they would be and "a few rookie mistakes" could literally cost you one or more of those close games.
 

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This is a non starter. Way too early to say.

Campbell has been lights out on a one year deal. End of story.

If there's an injury to any one of the LB's look for him to get the starters minutes. That's his position.
 

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When Vance doesn't believe he has the personnel, he goes into a soft zone, which is half of the problem. In the first game and most of the way through the second game, the Cardinals defense was playing man-up press, mostly with 1 safety over top, sometimes two. This freed up the linebackers as well, as they had man coverage. Remember all of those replays of Kittle getting shut down over the middle, or constantly with a man trailing him? We just about took the TE out of that game by playing a consistent man-to-man defense.

Compare/contrast that with the Lions game, and with multiple safeties going down and not enough of a pass rush to compensate, VJ goes into soft zone. Keep the ball in front of you. His zones are too soft and this leads to death by 1000 papercuts as Stafford was able to cut up the middle of the field against us. You can tell VJ is not confident in his players when they play a preponderance of soft zone, whether it's quarters or 3 deep, and he's feeling like he has the players he needs when he plays man. We'll see how much of each plays today, but I'm betting it's primarily zone and the opposing QB will have a lot of 7-11 yard completions.

I hope I'm wrong.
 

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This isn't a Campbell or Simmons argument. There isn't a snap where Campbell came off for Simmons, nor will they be.

This is Simmons vs whoever they bring on in 4-3/Nickel to play slot. Whether thats Kirkpatrick, D.Thompson or moving down Banjo or Baker.
 

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Vance doesn't want to use Simmons.

Or Simmons is that bad or Vance is a buffon or both...


#fire Vance is the only way that we can figure out if Simmons has value at all...
 
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