Putting It In Perspective

[cfdesign-91]

The season isn’t over but I think we all know how this ends. Whether we make the playoffs is irrelevant at this point. Too many times have we seen the offense’s inability to march down the field against inferior defenses, convert short yardage downs, or god forbid gain more than a yard on a screen pass. On defense how many times do we have to see a lack of ability to turn the ball over against horrible offenses, an inability to manage a 2 minute defense without allowing a point, or giving up points after the offense scores. Win or lose it’s always the same thing and so yes how you win matters no matter what the 98.7 crew tell you. But most importantly as we look towards the impending offseason you have to ask did we improve at a rate to give you the confidence going into next year with the core of players and coaching staff we have.

To put it in perspective... against common opponents 2019 vs. 2020

2019: 2-6-1
2020: 3-5 with a pending game against the Rams

Now best case we win the next game and we are only two games better than we were last year. I bring this up because all I heard all week, looking at you Tim Ring, is how the win total improvement made the season a success. The cardinals managed to be able to play the worst division in the history football and a division that features the jets this season. If you look at common opponents between years and only see a two game improvement after a theoretical improvement from the second year for a coach and quarterback in addition to adding the best wide receiver in football, your doing it wrong. Is this year disappointing sure, especially how it started. But looking ahead to next year gives me no confidence that this core of players/coached will be able to lift us to an elite level anytime in the near future.

 

[AZman5103]

I agree. This year isn't an improvement form last season. We had a more talented roster and a more experienced QB....but also still looked completely out coached in most games

 

[Shane]

Perspective = we suck

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Perspective = we suck

perspective = we are average

 

[Krusher kardinals]

My 2 cents...
If kk is always accepting responsibility for bad play calling..and saying he has to do better..
Why isnt there consequences???
* they need a top o coordinater..
*Too many poorly designed run plays
*Murray seems to take too long to process the right decision..with better coaching can improve
*receivers dont get enough seperation..thank god we gave nuk who catches everything..
*no one but budda baker can tackle. Jordan hicks is ALWAYS out of position
* devondre campbell is invisible
*put lamont galliard back in..he is much better than mason cole
* why the F didnt you make Eno Benjamin active..especially knowing that chase edmonds was banged up.
* chase edmonds is nothing more than a third down/change of pace back.
He can not stay healthy with a bigger work load.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

My 2 cents...
If kk is always accepting responsibility for bad play calling..and saying he has to do better..
Why isnt there consequences???
* they need a top o coordinater..
*Too many poorly designed run plays
*Murray seems to take too long to process the right decision..with better coaching can improve
*receivers dont get enough seperation..thank god we gave nuk who catches everything..
*no one but budda baker can tackle. Jordan hicks is ALWAYS out of position
* devondre campbell is invisible
*put lamont galliard back in..he is much better than mason cole
* why the F didnt you make Eno Benjamin active..especially knowing that chase edmonds was banged up.
* chase edmonds is nothing more than a third down/change of pace back.
He can not stay healthy with a bigger work load.

What consequences should there be? Should he demote himself? Should Bidwill/Keim fire a coach in the playoff hunt in the toughest division in football?

 

[Krusher kardinals]

What consequences should there be? Should he demote himself? Should Bidwill/Keim fire a coach in the playoff hunt in the toughest division in football?

How about firing his ass
Wake up

 

[Krusher kardinals]

How about firing his ass
Wake up

Its all smoke a mirrors and misusing the talent we have

 

[dreamcastrocks]

How about firing his ass
Wake up

You want to fire him now, before the last game of the season? At the end of the season?

 

[Cheesebeef]

What consequences should there be? Should he demote himself? Should Bidwill/Keim fire a coach in the playoff hunt in the toughest division in football?

theres two good teams in the division. And neither of them are Super Bowl favorites. Hardly the best in football this season when you have the Browns, Steelers and Ravens in one division and the Saints and Bucs in another division, and Bills and Dolphins in another.

maybe in years passed this was the best division in football but this year it looks like a couple of playoff contenders and super bowl pretenders, a mediocre to the bone team at best and a bad team held together with duct tape this year.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

theres two good teams in the division. And neither of them are Super Bowl favorites. Hardly the best in football this season when you have the Browns, Steelers and Ravens in one division and the Saints and Bucs in another division, and Bills and Dolphins in another.

maybe in years passed this was the best division in football but this year it looks like a couple of playoff contenders and super bowl pretenders, a mediocre to the bone team at best and a bad team held together with duct tape this year.

Come on. Everyone has been calling this the best division in football all year. Seems disingenuous to say they aren't now because we lost a game we should have won.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Come on. Everyone has been calling this the best division in football all year. Seems disingenuous to say they aren't now because we lost a game we should have won.

WTF are you talking about? again, the AFC Central has THREE TEN WIN TEAMS with TWO WEEKS LEFT. no one has been saying that about the division THIS YEAR. Yes, LAST YEAR when you had a 13, 11, 9 win teams they did. But that ain’t what was being said as the Rams were up and down, the Hawks started fast and then stumbled and we fell apart after week 9. You’re literally making crap up.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

The season isn’t over but I think we all know how this ends. Whether we make the playoffs is irrelevant at this point. Too many times have we seen the offense’s inability to march down the field against inferior defenses, convert short yardage downs, or god forbid gain more than a yard on a screen pass. On defense how many times do we have to see a lack of ability to turn the ball over against horrible offenses, an inability to manage a 2 minute defense without allowing a point, or giving up points after the offense scores. Win or lose it’s always the same thing and so yes how you win matters no matter what the 98.7 crew tell you. But most importantly as we look towards the impending offseason you have to ask did we improve at a rate to give you the confidence going into next year with the core of players and coaching staff we have.

To put it in perspective... against common opponents 2019 vs. 2020

2019: 2-6-1
2020: 3-5 with a pending game against the Rams

Now best case we win the next game and we are only two games better than we were last year. I bring this up because all I heard all week, looking at you Tim Ring, is how the win total improvement made the season a success. The cardinals managed to be able to play the worst division in the history football and a division that features the jets this season. If you look at common opponents between years and only see a two game improvement after a theoretical improvement from the second year for a coach and quarterback in addition to adding the best wide receiver in football, your doing it wrong. Is this year disappointing sure, especially how it started. But looking ahead to next year gives me no confidence that this core of players/coached will be able to lift us to an elite level anytime in the near future.

Our record says we're better but the inconsistency of this offense blows my mind. KK was more creative last season with less imo. We have a true #1 WR & a true Hybrid TE/WR & that it is it. We need a true #2 & #3, Kirk is (see inconsistent above) looking back at the season as a whole, losing to the Lions & the Patriots are the games that killed us imo. Cam Newton had like a -10000000009 QBR in that game & we still found a way to lose.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Come on. Everyone has been calling this the best division in football all year. Seems disingenuous to say they aren't now because we lost a game we should have won.

They thought that at the beginning of the season. With actual hindsight that prognostication has proven wrong.

 

[daves]

WTF are you talking about? again, the AFC Central has THREE TEN WIN TEAMS with TWO WEEKS LEFT.

For sure, as of now, NFC West is far from the strongest. But...

no one has been saying that about the division THIS YEAR. Yes, LAST YEAR when you had a 13, 11, 9 win teams they did. But that ain’t what was being said as the Rams were up and down, the Hawks started fast and then stumbled and we fell apart after week 9. You’re literally making crap up.

Dude... you must've killed more brain cells than usual this year. Here's just a sample from the first page of Google results, from weeks 7-10 of this season:

Even after a nuclear meteorite blew a chunk out of the hull of the San Francisco 49ers and lit them on fire, the NFC West remains the best division in the NFL through 10 games apiece.

All four teams have a positive point differential; the only division in the league to do so. What’s more, is each team can make a convincing argument that they should be stronger in 2021.

By now you’ve probably heard how good the NFC West has been this season. But what you may not know is how it compares to the best divisions in NFL history through seven weeks. [....]

Combined, the NFC West has a record of 19-8, which carries a winning percentage of .704. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, that’s the second-best winning percentage of any division through seven weeks since the 1970 merger, only behind the 1984 AFC West that started 25-10.

Ranking NFL divisions from first to last: NFC West dominates while NFC East brings up the rear
Multiple Super Bowl contenders make the NFC West like the SEC of the NFL

On Football: NFC West has the power, but 4 playoff berths?

WHY THE NFC WEST IS THE BEST DIVISION IN THE NFL

Why the NFC West Is Still the Best Division in the NFL

I could go on, but basically EVERY SINGLE SOURCE that discussed "best division in the NFL" as of mid-season and a bit later, unequivocally called the NFC West not just the best division this year, but the best division in DECADES.

Turns out, they were wrong. But don't try to gaslight us.

...dbs

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

For sure, as of now, NFC West is far from the strongest. But...


Dude... you must've killed more brain cells than usual this year. Here's just a sample from the first page of Google results, from weeks 7-10 of this season:













I could go on, but basically EVERY SINGLE SOURCE that discussed "best division in the NFL" as of mid-season and a bit later, unequivocally called the NFC West not just the best division this year, but the best division in DECADES.

Turns out, they were wrong. But don't try to gaslight us.

...dbs

Cheese was wrong but so is DCR’s claim that this is still the best division in football and that doesn’t change because of one loss. It’s been pretty clearly proven this wasn’t the best division in football as people had been claiming.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Cheese was wrong but so is DCR’s claim that this is still the best division in football and that doesn’t change because of one loss. It’s been pretty clearly proven this wasn’t the best division in football as people had been claiming.

Your claim that it isn't the best is wrong.

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