Putting Week 2 In Perspective

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Alright listen up! Put away the shotguns, untie the nooses, and keep the 30 Tylenol pills in the bottle. Let's try to take a deep breath and figure out exactly what's going on here.

Most everyone seems to be in a state of panic and making knee jerk reactions based on emotions and not facts; for example, Whisenhunt sucks, start Max Hall, the defense is garbage, etc.

I did a thread like this right after free agency started when we lost Dansby, Q and Rolle all in the same day. I hope this helps. With that said, here is my emotionless, as objective as possible analysis as to what's going on:

1) The quarterback situation. This is the main talking point of the season and it started the minute Kurt said goodbye. Right now, we are stuck with Anderson and two rookie back ups. The idea is still perplexing, but it is what it is. While we seem to be quick to bring Anderson to the guillotine, take a moment and think about what the other option is. An UDFA who although has the skills to succeed in this league, needs at least a year to come to his own. He excelled in preseason, but against a bunch of guys out of the league, one of whom delivered a package to me Fed Ex this morning (just kidding). Believe it or not, I think Hall at this moment would be worse than Anderson. In a sense, Anderson is a rookie in Whis's system and is learning the ropes. While I'm not saying he will succeed, our best option is to wait and see what happens. We have a game against the Raiders in which we should win and put up good offensive numbers. Perhaps it is a springboard for the rest of the season. I know Anderson will have at least one good looking game where he completes about 60% of his passes (no more) and throws for a couple of TDs. When is the $64 question. I hope soon because this situation is tenuous at best. Throwing Hall to the woods figuratively speaking is essentially waiving a white flag and saying we are preparing for next season. In short: wait til after the Chargers game to kill Anderson

2) The offensive line - "Dios mio." This is a terrible topic, but one that needs to be addressed. There was a ton of shuffling this season. Adding Faneca, moving Levi to LT, starting Keith at RT. All three have shown signs of weakness. Although Levi is back at his natural position, he has still been a penalty machine and missing assignments left and right. I'm very disappointed in his play. He has shown little to nothing since being drafted and I think the "bust" tag applies to him at this point. Faneca has been somewhat of a disappointment. I was naive to believe he would be a substantial upgrade, seeing that he is a 9-time pro bowler, a savvy veteran, and working with a coaching staff with whom he had success. Keith is obviously in a learning curve. I can tell. Perhaps, this line needs time to gel, but as it stands, they are not an asset. Additionally, I have not been a big fan of Grimm as an o line coach. The run blocking has always been suspect and the small # of sacks was large in part to a Warner quick release. I noticed he got hit a ton.

3) The defense - OK, im not as down on them as others are. I thought they played very well Week 1. There was a lot of fight and unity with that group. Ignore the fact that they played the Rams. It was still a good effort. They could have easily disappointed but didnt. A-Dubb won defensive player of the week and rightfully so. As for Week 2, the effort was not there. No question. There was no assertiveness in any of the leaders on the team. A-Dubb was suspect, Nine-0 seemed distracted and others followed suit, like DRC. No one had a good game. I mean, no one. My opinion is (and I loathe using this excuse) is that it was the 2nd of back-to-back road games to start the season. I think the team was content on just being 1-1 coming back to UofP. Simple. This is on the coaching staff. Davis and Whis need to hold these players accountable, even if it means verbally accosting the leaders of the group. They are talented. No question. We have at least 4 potential pro bowlers on D. They need to find that mojo...fast. In my opinion, I think they will. But Whis needs to assure us that these let down games are a thing of the past. Phili, NYJ, and NE in 2008 and SF, Indy and Nawlins in 2009.

4) The running game - Not bad, but not good. Remember that Beanie is nursing a sore knee. When he comes back, this unit will change. So far, Hightower has been alright aside from putting two on the carpet. The two headed monster will give us another dimension in the offense. It may ease some tension in the passing game because I feel defenses respect Beanie more so than Timmy simply because of potential and the threat of the big gainer. Beanie is in much better shape than last season. he is faster and stronger. I hope the injury has not effected that; otherwise, he will be better than last season. If the run blocking comes about and Beanie returns 100%, expect us to be a threat on the ground. The other thing is the fullback situation. Ive seen Maui'a make good plays, but he has the tendency to whiff. So in this respect, we need to run more two TE sets and motion into the offset-I for run situations.

5) The receivers - This situation is eerily similar to the QB situation. We have three rookies on the depth chart and three veterans. One of whom just had surgery and is out for a considerable amount of time. So after Fitz and Stevie it's Williams, Roberts and Komar. Yikes. As much as I like Williams, I need to see some proof that he is the real deal. Komar sucks (sorry Komar lovers) and Roberts is still a work in progress. This undoubtedly has an affect on the passing game as three wide sets are not a threat to a defense until one of the three rookies comes about. Almost have to run trips in obvious passing situations. And our tight ends really havent done much. As a matter of fact, combined they have 2 catches for 11 yards. So basically, nothing has changed in that department. So in my opinion, the WR core is not as solid as we want to believe. If a rookie comes out of the woodwork, then I wont be so concerned.

5) The 49ers - The love for this team needs to wear off. Those whose anxiety went up 10 notches after this game need to realize a few things. First and foremost, they are 0-2. Last in the division. Second, they had many things going for them last night. For example, the retirement of Rice's number, MNF and the home opener. So their motivation was sky high. They were definitely playing at 110%. But their 110% is the equivalent to the Saints 60% and look who pulled out victorious. I have said all along. Singletary and Smith will find ways to lose ball games. Their offense is suspect with two rookie linemen and only one receiving threat in Davis. Yes they have Gore, but they can only ride that horse until he has more foot problems. And as Westwood One said last night, there is confusion as to what their identity is on offense. Are they a spread-em-out team? Are they a run it up the gut type of group? In short, don't let this affect your train of thought. Focus on the Cards. Not the 49ers.

6) The rest of the division -Sucks. That's all that needs to be said.

OK, I have stated my peace. Overall, I think this is a 7 or 8 win team. No better, no worse. Can this get us a playoff spot? Perhaps with the way this division is set up. But I do trust Whisenhunt to right the ship and win maybe despite Anderson as the starter. Before we jump off buildings, let's see how this season transpires. It'll be interesting to say the least.

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4) The running game - Not bad, but not good. Remember that Beanie is nursing a sore knee. When he comes back, this unit will change. So far, Hightower has been alright aside from putting two on the carpet. The two headed monster will give us another dimension in the offense. It may ease some tension in the passing game because I feel defenses respect Beanie more so than Timmy simply because of potential and the threat of the big gainer. Beanie is in much better shape than last season. he is faster and stronger. I hope the injury has not effected that; otherwise, he will be better than last season. If the run blocking comes about and Beanie returns 100%, expect us to be a threat on the ground. The other thing is the fullback situation. Ive seen Maui'a make good plays, but he has the tendency to whiff. So in this respect, we need to run more two TE sets and motion into the offset-I for run situations.

Why is this constantly stated around here? Yet we have yet to see that happen?

Also judging Beanie by what we have seen in his carries in pre season he does not look either faster or stronger. I know duckjake commented on it all pre season as well.

I like me some Well's. He is more talented than Timmy for sure. However we have yet to see the real explosiveness you all claim IMO. Hes gonna have to break off some 50+ yarders soon for me to be a believer.
 

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Its funny, I actually am coming around to leaving DA in for a few more (man that was hard to type) games. (resisting urges to delete that last sentence) Hall could use the time , as well as the O line. I'm pretty much good with everything else in your piece too, the Beanie thing scares me. As long as we get the win at home on Sunday, Whiz will have some time to figure things out. I'm good with sitting back right now and seeing what happens. DA is the only "unfixable" problem we have right now. JMHO
 

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I don't need to be told how it'll be alright.

It may or may not get terrible from here but the odds of it going from here to wonderful and refreshingly good are remote.

I'd love to be wrong, in fact nothing would make me happier in my football world than seeing DA tear through the playoffs giving the middle finger to people like me, that would be great.

Go DA Go!
 

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Why is this constantly stated around here? Yet we have yet to see that happen?

Also judging Beanie by what we have seen in his carries in pre season he does not look either faster or stronger. I know duckjake commented on it all pre season as well.

I like me some Well's. He is more talented than Timmy for sure. However we have yet to see the real explosiveness you all claim IMO. Hes gonna have to break off some 50+ yarders soon for me to be a believer.

I have been really concerned since seeing Beanie in pre season and now that concern has been justified by his missing the first two games.

I don't think he makes much difference this season. This Cardinal team is in transition and because of that will stink for a while no matter who is playing where.
 

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I agree. But, I think the only way the Cardinals make the playoffs is if Beanie can have a big season. DA can't take us anywhere without Beanie having a breakout season.
 
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I would love to see what happens if the Cardinals make a serious effort (55-60% of offensive plays) to run the football.
 

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i liked this write up. The niners blow, we win our 7-8 games as you say, and as long as those wins are in the division as they have been so far, we win this division.
 

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I would love to see what happens if the Cardinals make a serious effort (55-60% of offensive plays) to run the football.

The problem with this is that the defense is so bad the Cards can't go to a run oriented game. We won with Warner by getting way ahead throwing the football and then hanging on while the D tried to give the game back to our opponents.

This group cannot win running the ball. We'd get behind and don't have the offense to catch up unless we play the Rams every week.

Adrian Wilson has shown he can run his mouth lets see if he can run a defense against anybody other than a team that was 1-15 last season.
 

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TJ, I want to try to make a point concerning your comments about the defense. I just don't buy the excuse about these guys being content with being 1-1. Nor do I buy the back to back road game malaise so they just went thru the motions either.

I have played golf with some really good players and though these guys have bad days, they just don't take the day off. Even when they are just playing for 40 bucks, there is just no quit in them even when they blow up. They just have too much pride to do that. Rarely have I ever seen one of them just lay down and say screw it. They don't take losing lightly either.

I was just amazed at the effort or lack thereof in that game. If amateurs playing for peanuts won't do it, why did the Cards? There had to be something in the collective mentality that caused them to let it happen. I will have to agree that the coaches have to be responsible in large part for this, but they aren't losers either, so I don't know quite what to make of it.

I know we've seen this act before..ala Ny Jets, Patriots etc...just mystifing
 

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TJ, I want to try to make a point concerning your comments about the defense. I just don't buy the excuse about these guys being content with being 1-1. Nor do I buy the back to back road game malaise so they just went thru the motions either.

I have played golf with some really good players and though these guys have bad days, they just don't take the day off. Even when they are just playing for 40 bucks, there is just no quit in them even when they blow up. They just have too much pride to do that. Rarely have I ever seen one of them just lay down and say screw it. They don't take losing lightly either.

I was just amazed at the effort or lack thereof in that game. If amateurs playing for peanuts won't do it, why did the Cards? There had to be something in the collective mentality that caused them to let it happen. I will have to agree that the coaches have to be responsible in large part for this, but they aren't losers either, so I don't know quite what to make of it.

I know we've seen this act before..ala Ny Jets, Patriots etc...just mystifing

Good post. The sad thing is our defense just isn't very good. To use the golf analogy I try as hard as I can every round and still shoot 90. There was no lack of effort Sunday. Just lack of what is needed to be an NFL top quality defense.
 

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Good post. The sad thing is our defense just isn't very good. To use the golf analogy I try as hard as I can every round and still shoot 90. There was no lack of effort Sunday. Just lack of what is needed to be an NFL top quality defense.

You know Jake, that was probably a poor choice of words on my part. I think what I was trying to say was more like them knowing what it would take to stop the opponent and to collectively help each other to do it. The mindset just was missing



btw, I bust my ass playing too, and I break 80 couple times a year, that's all I got

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You know Jake, that was probably a poor choice of words on my part. I think what I was trying to say was more like them knowing what it would take to stop the opponent and to collectively help each other to do it. The mindset just was missing



btw, I bust my ass playing too, and I break 80 couple times a year, that's all I got

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I hear you bro.
 

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The problem with this is that the defense is so bad the Cards can't go to a run oriented game. We won with Warner by getting way ahead throwing the football and then hanging on while the D tried to give the game back to our opponents.

This group cannot win running the ball. We'd get behind and don't have the offense to catch up unless we play the Rams every week.

Adrian Wilson has shown he can run his mouth lets see if he can run a defense against anybody other than a team that was 1-15 last season.

DJ, you wise beyond your years. It's as simple as that. We need to out score our opponent. With this defense that means we have to score a lot. A ball control, run the ball approach will only see us fall 10 , 14, or 17 points behind and then it's over.
I said it in another post. we will NOT see one game where this team scores 30 points. If we do it will be because we had a pick 6, punt return for a td and a kickoff returned for a td.
 

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I would love to see what happens if the Cardinals make a serious effort (55-60% of offensive plays) to run the football.

Good luck with that, When DA is your QB, The line will be stacked the entire game, Anderson has never given opposing defenses a reason to respect him.
 

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DJ, you wise beyond your years. It's as simple as that. We need to out score our opponent. With this defense that means we have to score a lot. A ball control, run the ball approach will only see us fall 10 , 14, or 17 points behind and then it's over.
I said it in another post. we will NOT see one game where this team scores 30 points. If we do it will be because we had a pick 6, punt return for a td and a kickoff returned for a td.


Almost every game we won last season we were up at least 17-3 at halftime. I don't see that happening much this year.
 

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Yeah you can't really run the football when no one in the league fears your pathetic QB as he is not much of a threat to burn them! He can't even hit a hot route unless you count hitting the back of the guys shoes.
 

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Thanks TJ for stepping into no-man's land with some actual analysis. It has been too thin on this board of late, and is much appreciated.

I've often wondered whether Grimm is the second coming of Mean Joe Greene. The fact that there are so few coaches in the NFL who had stellar playing careers is indicative of the level of knowledge, teaching, and managing skills required to be successful. It was one thing to read a Boivin article about Grimm showing his boys how to make unseen hits on the line, but another to not see consistent performance on Sunday for several years. So I have to wonder about whether Grimm's strengths are being leveraged. Maybe he is just spread too thin.

Until our boys in the trenches start giving us a solid, consistent foundation, I will reserve judgement on our skill positions.
 
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The problem with this is that the defense is so bad the Cards can't go to a run oriented game. We won with Warner by getting way ahead throwing the football and then hanging on while the D tried to give the game back to our opponents.

This group cannot win running the ball. We'd get behind and don't have the offense to catch up unless we play the Rams every week.
I totally disagree with this reasoning! The Cardinals certainly aren't going to win with the offense they displayed on Sunday!

A successful running team scores touchdowns, controls the clock, shortens the game, and wins! Further, successfully running the ball opens the field up for play action and deep pass plays.

Week after week, I see teams (not just the Cardinals) give up on the run because they are down two touchdowns (sometimes less) in the first quarter! And they give up control of the game by playing catch-up. If you are designed to run the ball, do what you do best and continue to do it. This early in the game it doesn't matter how quickly you score, but that you do score.

If it's the fourth quarter and your team is down by two touchdowns, then it's time to pass, pass, pass...

And if your defense can't stop the other teams offense, then you aren't going to win, anyway!
 
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We go on. But there's still no putting that horrid performance into perspective. No excuses for the defending western conf. champs. Even w/o Warner.

Nothing short of a THREE GAME SWEEP (before the bye week) , with the last coming home vs. NO will erase this!

One thing was very true, when Whiz said the next three weeks will determine where this team is headed.

They NEED to come out on TOP all three!
 

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Why is this constantly stated around here? Yet we have yet to see that happen?

Also judging Beanie by what we have seen in his carries in pre season he does not look either faster or stronger. I know duckjake commented on it all pre season as well.

I like me some Well's. He is more talented than Timmy for sure. However we have yet to see the real explosiveness you all claim IMO. Hes gonna have to break off some 50+ yarders soon for me to be a believer.

WOW!

That is one of the best posts I have ever seen from Shane. I pretty much agree to that word for word.
 
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We go on. But there's still no putting that horrid performance into perspective. No excuses for the defending western conf. champs. Even w/o Warner.

Nothing short of a THREE GAME SWEEP (before the bye week) , with the last coming home vs. NO will erase this!

One thing was very true, when Whiz said the next three weeks will determine where this team is headed.

They NEED to come out on TOP all three!

I think that's a loaded statement and a set up for disappointment.

If we win 2 of 3, we are 3-2 heading into the bye. Ill take that any day this season.

With that said, the team need to focus on one game at a time. The Raiders should be a "W" but we still need to execute. Afterward, the team needs to steal at least one of two. This is easier said than done. While San Diego looked lost against KC, they still managed to rebound and pummel Jacksonville. Meanwhile, New Orleans is 2-0 however, they have played in two close games FWIW. Many said the Falcons were motivated to beat us because of the playoff loss two year ago. Mission accomplished for them. It could be our team is salivating over playing the Saints at home for payback from last season. With that said, my opinion is the Saints game is more winnable than the San Diego game.
 
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TJ, I want to try to make a point concerning your comments about the defense. I just don't buy the excuse about these guys being content with being 1-1. Nor do I buy the back to back road game malaise so they just went thru the motions either.

I have played golf with some really good players and though these guys have bad days, they just don't take the day off. Even when they are just playing for 40 bucks, there is just no quit in them even when they blow up. They just have too much pride to do that. Rarely have I ever seen one of them just lay down and say screw it. They don't take losing lightly either.

I was just amazed at the effort or lack thereof in that game. If amateurs playing for peanuts won't do it, why did the Cards? There had to be something in the collective mentality that caused them to let it happen. I will have to agree that the coaches have to be responsible in large part for this, but they aren't losers either, so I don't know quite what to make of it.

I know we've seen this act before..ala Ny Jets, Patriots etc...just mystifing

This kind of proves my point. Throughout the last 2 years, this team has proven time and time again that they will take quarters, halves, or even games off.

A couple of examples from last season

The Texans game. We were up 21-0 going into the half. The defense promptly allowed 21 unanswered points before realizing they were about to give up the game. Fortunately, DRC took one to the house, but we were still a half yard away from overtime

The Packers playoff game. We were up 17 going into the half. Once again, the defense allowed them to come back and make the game "interesting." Again, we were fortunate to win.

There are too many examples which I can detail.

In my profession, I analyze both collegiate and professional athletes from a psychological standpoint. This includes focus and body language. When I look at this defense, sometimes I see little effort from them. When they start getting beat, they dont respond well to the adversity. Like for example, the first drive of the Falcons game. They decided to slam us with the running attack over and over again. While its easy to say that we couldnt figure the game plan out, the defense just wasnt able to shake off blockers and players were out of position. This is a focus issue. I wonder if their minds wander once they're beaten or feel content with the situation. That's why I theorized that they were content with being 1-1 after 2 road games. Even Whisenhunt alludes to the mental aspect of the game in his interviews and press conferences and admits to mental mistakes from the players. They are human like us and while they are superior athletes, sometimes they do themselves a disservice when they dont focus on the game.

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I think that's a loaded statement and a set up for disappointment.

If we win 2 of 3, we are 3-2 heading into the bye. Ill take that any day this season.

With that said, the team need to focus on one game at a time. The Raiders should be a "W" but we still need to execute. Afterward, the team needs to steal at least one of two. This is easier said than done. While San Diego looked lost against KC, they still managed to rebound and pummel Jacksonville. Meanwhile, New Orleans is 2-0 however, they have played in two close games FWIW. Many said the Falcons were motivated to beat us because of the playoff loss two year ago. Mission accomplished for them. It could be our team is salivating over playing the Saints at home for payback from last season. With that said, my opinion is the Saints game is more winnable than the San Diego game.

You actually quoted me on this. Ironic because you were the only one to respond to the post.

Yeah one at a time. But that beat down is impossible to put into perspective, unless the team accomplishes something dramatically well to erase it.

Let me put it this way. You're right, we NEED to p/u W's AT LEAST two of the next three. Going into the bye 2-3 is unacceptable, especially with the whipping the team took in ATL.

As Mitch pointed out, the CHARACTER of the team is in question and on the table, right now.

An opening home W against a mediocre team will not erase it. But we need something to build on. Hopefully in convincing fashion. VERY CONVINCING FASHION!
 
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