Q requests trade again?

[Matt L]

in a rare case, no one is blaming the Cards FO at all. That's surprising.Graves,me included, usually gets all the heat from fans. What we don't know is the entire story and what the Cards have told Q. Maybe he does have a legit beef. I don't agree with going public but maybe he feels it his last resort. You would think he'd realize that the public perception seems to be all in the Cards favor,a true rarity, and just go out and play and make it a big deal in the off season. No way the Cards budge when everything is their favor.

Jurecki was trashing Graves this morning on 910. He said that Whisenhunt really should not be involved in negotiating with the players. That should be Graves job and should not involve the head coach. He went on to claim that the reason why teams never get better i.e. Cardinals, Bengals, Lions, etc is because they have weak front offices.

I do have to wonder how teams like the Patriots or the Chargers handle these situations. In my opinion they do not place any one player above the team. I agree with Jurecki that Whisenhunt should not be in the middle of contract negotiations but in my gut I feel like a team like the Patriots would actually force Boldin to play out the contract for no other reason than it is in their best interests.

 

[Pariah]

cardsfanmd][/b] Some of you who are trashing Q now are the same ones who were swinging from his manhood like Tarzan not too long ago.

So what? Part of the reason this board as a whole was swinging like tarzan was because Boldin seemed above this kind of crap.

Stuff happens. Things change.

No one is saying Boldin is less of a football player--in fact, most everyone starts their posts with something like "Boldin is still my favorite player, but..."

 

[joeshmo]

Patriots would actually force Boldin to play out the contract for no other reason than it is in their best interests.

Patriots and Eagles have been doing exactly what the Cards are doing right now for years. Both of their coaches you better believe are heavily involved in their teams salary cap makeup.

 

[Russ Smith]

To me the most interesting part of Boldin's interview is where he says he's convinced the Cards turned down multiple offers from teams offering a first round pick because "they don't want to get a deal done."

First off hello they told you they don't want to trade you. Secondly, by making that public you just lowered your trade value, if we really turned down a first round pick before now nobody will offer it again with you being so public about it, your value goes down when the whole NFL knows you want to be traded. The Cards can hold out for a high pick and hope someone offers it up but the odds are they won't get the same offer now they got before.

This whole thing sucks the Cards treated Anquan well they redid a deal they didn't have to do, and they tried to redo a second deal. Anquan wants to be paid the same as Fitz but he doesn't want to come out publicly and say that because it would hurt his reputation IMHO.

Great player, I hope he calms down and sees reality here but he made a big mistake by going so public with this he made it much less likely we can do what he wants.

 

[joeshmo]

First off hello they told you they don't want to trade you. Secondly, by making that public you just lowered your trade value, if we really turned down a first round pick before now nobody will offer it again with you being so public about it, your value goes down when the whole NFL knows you want to be traded. The Cards can hold out for a high pick and hope someone offers it up but the odds are they won't get the same offer now they got before.

IMO, Q can say what ever he wants and it still wont hurt his value in a trade for one simple reason - 3 years left on his contract. We hold all of the cards in any negotiations with that many years still on his contract. We can tell a team you want him know or you can wait until he is 30 and his contract ends.

 

[earthsci]

1. I'm not going to trash on Q because I don't think that we are really hearing everything that is going on.
2. I've got a Boldin jersey with the # 81 on it. I wear it because I am a Cardinals fan, not a Boldin fan.
3. If we trade Boldin it better be with a team that we don't have to face twice a year (our division) or the Cowboys. I don't want to see the team that I hate the most win the Super Bowl with any more ex-Cardinals.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Heres my take:

Q is a warrior for this team. Just because he is doing what he has been doing now doesn't diminish all the crap he has put up with and the good soldier he has been up to this point. I will always love Quan and to be honest MD is right. In the NFL you have to get yours while you can. And when Fitz was paid the way he was this was inevitable and MD called it. Yes Q signed a contract he played his way out of. But its also crazy that our proclaimed captain makes 1/10 of his peer. So I get where he is coming from and fully believe if he was to be paid he would come in with a smile and slapping Wiz and Graves on the back.

Saying all that I have to agree with the way the Cards have handled this thus far. The smart football move IS to pay Fitz. Hes younger, has better production, and is less likley to get injured. And its stupid to pay two WR's half of your cap (although the Colts have managed to make it work) so the smart money is to give the cash to Fitz.

As for Wiz getting involved. Uhh I wouldn't have it any other way. I want Wiz factoring in on all personnel decisions if only to keep that idiot Graves out of his own way. Negotiations are personnel decisions by nature so if Wiz said " We don't need Q AND Fitz to win playing my kind of ball" then I respect that and trust it. Players will come and go but if Wiz is half of what I think he is he will be here a long while. So its his plan that should be carried out.

I love Q but we have gotten what we needed out of him and should continue you for for this year. Have him play angry (and through injury which is inevitable with Q) and get us into the playoffs. He will be sufficiently motivated because with two years left on the deal no matter what team he is playing for he can demand a huge contract after having a Pro Bowl season. Letting him play out the year also allows the Cardinals to further assess:

A) Should we pay him?

B) Should we get what we can while his value is still high?

I would think no matter what happens they pick option B and if we get to the playoffs then I am okay with that.

It's all about the program boys. No one is bigger then the program.

 

[joeshmo]

Heres my take:

Q is a warrior for this team. Just because he is doing what he has been doing now doesn't diminish all the crap he has put up with and the good soldier he has been up to this point. I will always love Quan and to be honest MD is right. In the NFL you have to get yours while you can. And when Fitz was paid the way he was this was inevitable and MD called it. Yes Q signed a contract he played his way out of. But its also crazy that our proclaimed captain makes 1/10 of his peer. So I get where he is coming from and fully believe if he was to be paid he would come in with a smile and slapping Wiz and Graves on the back.

Saying all that I have to agree with the way the Cards have handled this thus far. The smart football move IS to pay Fitz. Hes younger, has better production, and is less likley to get injured. And its stupid to pay two WR's half of your cap (although the Colts have managed to make it work) so the smart money is to give the cash to Fitz.

As for Wiz getting involved. Uhh I wouldn't have it any other way. I want Wiz factoring in on all personnel decisions if only to keep that idiot Graves out of his own way. Negotiations are personnel decisions by nature so if Wiz said " We don't need Q AND Fitz to win playing my kind of ball" then I respect that and trust it. Players will come and go but if Wiz is half of what I think he is he will be here a long while. So its his plan that should be carried out.

I love Q but we have gotten what we needed out of him and should continue you for for this year. Have him play angry (and through injury which is inevitable with Q) and get us into the playoffs. He will be sufficiently motivated because with two years left on the deal no matter what team he is playing for he can demand a huge contract after having a Pro Bowl season. Letting him play out the year also allows the Cardinals to further assess:

A) Should we pay him?

B) Should we get what we can while his value is still high?

I would think no matter what happens they pick option B and if we get to the playoffs then I am okay with that.

It's all about the program boys. No one is bigger then the program.

Very, very good rational non-emotional thoughts to this issue. With great points to both sides of the arguement and I agree with all of it.

 

[TJ]

So what? Part of the reason this board as a whole was swinging like tarzan was because Boldin seemed above this kind of crap.

Stuff happens. Things change.

No one is saying Boldin is less of a football player--in fact, most everyone starts their posts with something like "Boldin is still my favorite player, but..."

Some of this, I think, is that its Boldin's lips moving with Rosenhaus' words coming out.

I made this point a few weeks ago that the "holdout" is proving to be ineffective (see: Steven Jackson). Now, the new way to gain leverage on NFL teams is to bully teams and make the situation so uncomfortable that they have no other option but to trade you. Which is why I commend both the Cardinals and the Bengals for not giving in to Boldin and C. Johnson respectively. If they do, it sets a bad presidence on the league. Remember the Poston Brothers? They tried some similar tactics and it got them suspended from negotiating with the NFL. Granted, I don't think Rosenhaus will ever get repremanded because he is so snake-like, but his strategies are starting to get under the skin of many NFL F.O.s. Young players, beware!

 

[CardLogic]

Some of this, I think, is that its Boldin's lips moving with Rosenhaus' words coming out.

I made this point a few weeks ago that the "holdout" is proving to be ineffective (see: Steven Jackson). Now, the new way to gain leverage on NFL teams is to bully teams and make the situation so uncomfortable that they have no other option but to trade you. Which is why I commend both the Cardinals and the Bengals for not giving in to Boldin and C. Johnson respectively. If they do, it sets a bad presidence on the league. Remember the Poston Brothers? They tried some similar tactics and it got them suspended from negotiating with the NFL. Granted, I don't think Rosenhaus will ever get repremanded because he is so snake-like, but his strategies are starting to get under the skin of many NFL F.O.s. Young players, beware!

It has taken 84 posts for someone to nail it down. As I read through the thread I kept wondering why no one has stated the obvious...

This whole situation between Boldin and the Cardinals stinks of Rosenhaus!!!

 

[Pariah]

excpet that it's rosenhaus that's come out (a couple of weeks ago) as the voice of reason, not Q.

 

[CarterAZ]

Seriously…

Someone needs to pull up his tube socks and just shut the hell up already. It’s painfully obvious what you want, and why you want it… we get it.

And, hey… whatever happened to the dude who said he had people to take care of the business end of things, and all he wanted to do was play football, man?

Anybody seen that guy around lately?… because that’s the cat I could really relate to.

 

[82CardsGrad]

So what? Part of the reason this board as a whole was swinging like tarzan was because Boldin seemed above this kind of crap.

Stuff happens. Things change.

No one is saying Boldin is less of a football player--in fact, most everyone starts their posts with something like "Boldin is still my favorite player, but..."

Exactly...

Boldin signed an agreement 2 years ago... 6 months into that agreement, he demands "talks" to negotiate a new contract. The team says fine, lets talk. Boldin and Rosenhaus then say, "actually, let's wait and let Fitz set the mark"... The teams says fine, however, know that we might be in a lesser position after we pay Fitz."
Meanwhile, Boldin is being paid $2.75 million a season, has received upwards of $10 million in guaranteed money, and now says he was "lied to"....
Sorry Q. You could have easily negotiated a new contract prior to Fitz getting his... You took that gamble... You lost... Shut up and play... Otherwise, sit home and cry...

 

[Pariah]

Sorry Q. You could have easily negotiated a new contract prior to Fitz getting his... You took that gamble... You lost... Shut up and play... Otherwise, sit home and cry...

I think there's a way to handle it that makes everyone relatively happy. Remember, if the team plans on trading him next summer then we need him to play his best this season.

As I said in another thread, here's how I'd handle it. I'd tell Boldin, "look, we realize this is a f'd up situation. Here's a $1M bonus for this season and a promise that we'll get you out of here next offseason, per your request. You've been key in helping us get over the hump. Let's keep the lines of communication open so we can try to get you to a place where you want to be, understanding that we'll also need to get a good value in return."

 

[CardLogic]

excpet that it's rosenhaus that's come out (a couple of weeks ago) as the voice of reason, not Q.

That's part of his (Rosenhaus') game, surely you can see that.

You think that if Q was being the "good soldier" and it was Rosenhaus raising the stink that anyone would be paying attention? It is all a ploy and the fans and the media get sucked into it.

 

[Pariah]

That's part of his (Rosenhaus') game, surely you can see that.

You think that if Q was being the "good soldier" and it was Rosenhaus raising the stink that anyone would be paying attention? It is all a ploy and the fans and the media get sucked into it.

Actually, I think Boldin really wants to be traded because he knows he'll never make top-dollar when he's on the same team as Fitz.

 

[joeshmo]

That's part of his (Rosenhaus') game, surely you can see that.

You think that if Q was being the "good soldier" and it was Rosenhaus raising the stink that anyone would be paying attention? It is all a ploy and the fans and the media get sucked into it.

Boldin is a big boy and it is his signature on Drews pay check, not the other way around. anything Drew does for his clients is an extention of his clients thus his clients are every bit at fault and in this case even more at fault considering Drew is their employee and works for them.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I think there's a way to handle it that makes everyone relatively happy. Remember, if the team plans on trading him next summer then we need him to play his best this season.

As I said in another thread, here's how I'd handle it. I'd tell Boldin, "look, we realize this is a f'd up situation. Here's a $1M bonus for this season and a promise that we'll get you out of here next offseason, per your request. You've been key in helping us get over the hump. Let's keep the lines of communication open so we can try to get you to a place where you want to be, understanding that we'll also need to get a good value in return."

1.) IMO, Q would laugh at a $1million gesture...

2.) Q has to know that if he is to be traded at the end of this season, that the tought is whoever grabs him will know they will need to negotiate a hefty, long-term deal... Hence, Q NEEDS to play this season, and play well in order to enhance his chances of getting max value in a new contract with a new team next season...

Therefore, SHUT the EFF up Q... Play this season and honor your terms, and we'll send you packing next year...

 

[joeshmo]

1.) IMO, Q would laugh at a $1million gesture...

Not only that but it would be a bad precadent for the Cards to Pay a guy for make a big enough fuss. No way to start giving guys what amounts to shut up money.

 

[Mulli]

1.) IMO, Q would laugh at a $1million gesture...

2.) Q has to know that if he is to be traded at the end of this season, that the tought is whoever grabs him will know they will need to negotiate a hefty, long-term deal... Hence, Q NEEDS to play this season, and play well in order to enhance his chances of getting max value in a new contract with a new team next season...

Therefore, SHUT the EFF up Q... Play this season and honor your terms, and we'll send you packing next year...

I agree with 82 and his ugly boy-faced Madonna avatar.

 

[Gee!]

Why shouldnt Whis be involved.. Seems to me he was involved with the Fitz deal and Fitz even credited Whis with helping out in the situation..

 

[Big Deal]

I can't stand how everyone is comparing his 2.75M salary to Fitz. Why are you not adding his signing bonus prorated? Why are you not adding in the fact that if he was smart, he should have never negotiated that deal in the first place. He would have tag thrown on him and would have gotten his money last year just like Fitz!

So now it's the Cards fault for ripping up his old contract and giving him a new one, and giving him 10M to sign his name in GOOD FAITH? Please, anyone who takes the players side on this needs to have their head checked out by a professional.

Also, don't get me started on the "I was lied to" B.S. As a fan we were all lied to by the majestic Q several weeks ago when he said he was going to put this behind him and play football.

I would love to see the team suspend him for 4 games for conduct detrimental to the team. I do not want to see him traded, I don't care what we get in return. There needs to be a standard set that no one player is above the team.

Remember, we own his rights for AT LEAST the next 3 years. After that we can still tag him and he doesn't have to sign the tender, but he will not get paid. These athletes are all the same, once that paycheck stops coming in the crappy 2.75M a year starts to add up quickly.

 

[Pariah]

1.) IMO, Q would laugh at a $1million gesture...

Why? If he's going to be traded at the end of the season, or is begrudgingly willing to play out his existing contract here, why would he laugh at a 40% annual bonus?

IMO, it's the right thing to do.

 

[Gee!]

What really irritates me is it seems this whole dam team went to some secret meeting and decided they were all gonna demand more money whether their contract was up or not.. Im not even sure if Im watching football anymore.. It seems like this forum is contract negotiations central.. We dont even get to talk about the play as much as we do contracts.. And these jerks havent even won anything..

 

[Russ Smith]

Why? If he's going to be traded at the end of the season, or is begrudgingly willing to play out his existing contract here, why would he laugh at a 40% annual bonus?

IMO, it's the right thing to do.

I'm not sure we can give him a bonus? Didn't the 49ers get fined for doing that in the past?

I think the bonus would have to be as part of a new deal and he claims he won't negotiate with us.