Buckybird
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JaMarcus Russell could make all the throws too. Don't get caught up in the size or athleticism in a college QB who runs more than he throws. He will suck in a prostyle NFL offense IMO.
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JaMarcus Russell could make all the throws too. Don't get caught up in the size or athleticism in a college QB who runs more than he throws. He will suck in a prostyle NFL offense IMO.
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Don't like anyone except for Luck. I hope that Skelton can develop into the QB he is capable of. Has anyone heard how he looks in practice? We traded up for him for a reason.
As far as free agents go, these are guys I like:
Vick
McNabb
Hill or Collins (good stop gaps)
As far as free agents go, these are guys I like:
Vick
McNabb
Hill or Collins (good stop gaps)
I haven't heard anything on Skelton but just based off of the preseason the kid is no where near ready to start. He needs at least 1-2 more years of development IMO. For Skelton it's mostly mental and that's the hardest part of playing QB in the NFL.
I am not normally excited by a running QB,...it just does not transfer well to the NFL except in rare cases...... but there is something about this kid, when he is on the field anything can happen.
I will be interested in seeing what he does at the combine and in private workouts.
Stout
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Actually, Shaun Hill would be a great pickup in the offseason, IMO.
moklerman
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Isn't Bulger on a 1 year deal in Baltimore? As damaged as he might be mentally I'd take him over most of the names I've heard mentioned.
I have been on the Devlin bandwagon for some time now and have been mentioning him here. By the way he has started two years at Delaware. He left PSU after his sophomore year.
JoePa has never had a clue when it came to selecting good QBs. That's why in all the years he has coached at PSU he only had one QB who made it in the NFL and that is Collins in Tenn.
I wouldn't mind getting Thigpen
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It was my understanding also that he just signed a one year contract in Baltimore.
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I like him a lot and he would be better than anyone we now have. Of course that's not saying much.
Diamondback Jay
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I know he doesn't have the size necessary for the NFL level, but I really like Andy Dalton also.
I'm sure I'm the only one here who does but he's extremely smart, accurate and has a pretty decent deep ball.
I'm sure I'm the only one here who does but he's extremely smart, accurate and has a pretty decent deep ball.
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a year of not getting hit would do him wonders. I think he has two good years left.
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For anyone hoping for Mallett or Luck better hope that the Rookie salary scale doesnt go into effect in this upcoming draft. If 2011 becomes the first year of a rookie salary scale then both Mallett and Luck will most likely stay in school. If it will be the last year of big money then they will probably come out. But there is a 90% chance of new rookie salary scale going into effect so it is highly doubtful either guy will be in this up coming draft.
As for right now Locker is the only 1st round QB talent.
As of right now the draft isn’t looking like an option. So it looks like our best option is for a refreshed Bulger or Hall/Skelton development, which can still happen considering each has only less than half an NFL season under their belts.
As for right now Locker is the only 1st round QB talent.
As of right now the draft isn’t looking like an option. So it looks like our best option is for a refreshed Bulger or Hall/Skelton development, which can still happen considering each has only less than half an NFL season under their belts.
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I agree. Mallet and Luck will stay, plus Blaine Gabbert who i think is the most accurate of the bunch.
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Newton is quickly moving to the head of the pack for the Heisman. Yes, he can throw the ball and accurately and as far as anyone in the NFL. On the run or in the pocket. He may have the strongest arm I have ever seen. He is the best running QB I have ever seen. If he remains healthy he will be the first player selected and I think could start immediately. I am no Auburn fan. I am an Arkansas fan who does not cheer for Auburn. There QB is the best QB I have ever seen coming out of college. At 6'5" and 245-250 lbs he is all muscle. No fat on this guy. He has moves like a scatback and runs over defenders like little boys. How he stayed under the radar is beyond me. Watch the Auburn-Alabama game which should be nationally televised and get a dose of what a real QB looks like. He could not be stopped by LSU who supposedly had the best defense in the SEC. They had at least one spy on him and he still ran for 216 yards. He appears to be unstoppable in college. I would give up my first four picks for this guy in a New York minute.
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Mike Ditka...is that you? Didn't you learn that trading your entire draft away, or in this instance, more than half your draft, for 1 player isn't going to do you one bit of good? This guy is not the next Peyton Manning. He is a product of a gimmick offense who rarely if ever has to make reads. He locks on to his receiver and if his receiver (notice its not plural) isn't open he runs. He certainly does have the tools to develop, but to trade 4 picks for a project is rediculous.
Outside of Andrew Luck, there is no qb that I would consider taking in the first round. Give me Christian Ponder or Nathan Enderle from Idaho in the 2nd to 4th.
I don't care about Newton's cannon for an arm of ability to run. I want to know if he has the brains to be an NFL QB. I don't know how many times it has to be proven that it's not the physical tools that win at the QB position. Sure there needs to be some tools, but athletes playing QB just don't cut it in NFL.
Unless Newton is a QB who just happens to be an athlete he will fail at the next level and there's nothing you can take away from this run with Auburn that really proves one way or another if he has the great football mind. Frankly you can never tell that about a college player because even in the SEC they are going against amateur D's compared to anything they'll face at the next level.
Unless Newton is a QB who just happens to be an athlete he will fail at the next level and there's nothing you can take away from this run with Auburn that really proves one way or another if he has the great football mind. Frankly you can never tell that about a college player because even in the SEC they are going against amateur D's compared to anything they'll face at the next level.
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No way do I want Mallet. Too many red flags with that guy. I'll tell you the best QB performance I have seen all year is the backup who came in for Mallet against Auburn. I can' remember his name, Wilson maybe, but that guy had an arm and was accurate as could be. He looked alot better than Mallet. I don't know what year he is in but he was very impressive.
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The Cardinals will NOT draft a QB this year, no way, no how. The ONLY college QB out there whose skills translate to the NFL is Andrew Luck & he won't be available. We already have 2 developmental QB's on the roster. The Cardinals will go after a veteran with proven NFL skills, just as they did with Warner. I agree with Stout on S Hill. He fits our offense more than a Michael Vick would. Don't get me wrong, I'll take Vick in a heartbeat. Other than Vick & Hill, the others the Cardinals will look hard at will be McNabb, & Bulger.
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To be honest if the world as we know it doesn't end, 2012 is probably the better year to be drafting a QB for need.
I think Luck will be in that draft not 2011. The Pac 10 is loaded with QB's, Locker is the senior but the best NFL prospect is Luck. But there is also Matt Barkley who despite playing for USC, I love, good size, great arm, seems to have shed the surfer boy image a bit had a very good freshman year and is having an even better soph year. Foles at Arizona is an NFL prospect IMHO.
Gabbert could be in that draft and there are several others. Now if the ones that are already draft eligible all come out, then 2011 is the stacked QB draft.
I think Luck will be in that draft not 2011. The Pac 10 is loaded with QB's, Locker is the senior but the best NFL prospect is Luck. But there is also Matt Barkley who despite playing for USC, I love, good size, great arm, seems to have shed the surfer boy image a bit had a very good freshman year and is having an even better soph year. Foles at Arizona is an NFL prospect IMHO.
Gabbert could be in that draft and there are several others. Now if the ones that are already draft eligible all come out, then 2011 is the stacked QB draft.
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I agree, unless Hall somehow pans out I don't think we're pairing Fitz with him, Skelton, or a drafted rookie as the starter. We go after a new QB. And that scares me, given what's happened. But there's a lot of room for improvement...
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LSU who had/has the best defense in the SEC could not stop him and they knew exactly what Auburn would do. He ran for only 216 yardsI do not see anyone stopping this man. Auburn is one tough team. Alabama has a great running game and two spectacular runners. If they can hold on to the ball by running and scoring they will keep the ball out of his hands and could win. Auburn is really an impressive team with this QB at the helm. With his running ability it really opens up the passing game. I will guess that the line is going to be Auburn by 3.
Zeno
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In the area where QBs are judged most(passing) he had 86 yards through the air against LSU and no TDs. He has 3 games where he passed for over 200 yds Clemson, Kentucky and Louisiana-Monroe--not exactly great defenses there. He is a project, more athlete than QB, he may develop eventually but he is a project and will be drafted as such.
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I continue to be a big Mallet fan being from Arkansas. He has the size at 6'7" and 245 lbs. He has more arm than most NFL QBs. He is accurate and has courage. What is beginning to worry me is that he may be injury prone. He has had two different shoulder problems this year and a concussion. I think he also had surgery on a foot in the off season. He will stand in the pocket and take a hit in order to let the receiver get open but I am concerned about the injuries. The backup to him named Tyler Wilson came in the other day and played lights out. I think he threw three TDs and great accuracy. He started the next game because Mallet had the concussion and we beat Mississippi. He had an excellent game. I think Mallet will be able to start this week against Vanderbilt but am not sure. He went from a odds on favorite to win the Heisman to not even being mentioned now. I think and hope he will get back on track as he does have all the tools in his bag for the NFL. Be sure the NFL guys are watching these injuries. At 6'7" or maybe even 6'8" one might be more suseptable to injuries? What is the tallest successful QB in NFL history? I think Ed Two Tall Jones a defensive lineman may have been 6'10" but am no sure about that.
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We will have to respectfully disagee on this one Zeno. In the shortrun let us look at the Heisman. In the midterm let us see how high he is selected. In the longer term let us see how he performs in the NFL?
A projject? Not really. One of the best college QBs I have ever seen and I am older than dirt. You say he cannot pass. Take a look at these stats:
He is second in the nation in passing efficiency (80-of-122 for 1278 ystfd, 13 touchdowns and 5 interceptions) and 2nd in total offense. His former team the Florida Gators are averaging 329 yards per game, their former QB is averaging 305.4 yards per outing. By himself.
If Newton needs a Heisman Trophy campaign manager, he may want to call LSU linebacker Kelvin Shepprd, who might be the best linebacker in the SEC.
Plain and simple, he's the best quarterback in the country, "Sheppard said of Newton."
