QB's in 2011

[Zeno]

We will have to respectfully disagee on this one Zeno. In the shortrun let us look at the Heisman. In the midterm let us see how high he is selected. In the longer term let us see how he performs in the NFL?

A projject? Not really. One of the best college QBs I have ever seen and I am older than dirt. You say he cannot pass. Take a look at these stats:

He is second in the nation in passing efficiency (80-of-122 for 1278 ystfd, 13 touchdowns and 5 interceptions) and 2nd in total offense.

He may win the Heisman but so did Eric Crouch - who was also more athlete than QB. He hasn't proven he can throw the ball to win, he hasn't been asked to do that. His INT #'s look good on face value at 5 total until you look at it and compare it to other top QBs like Luck, Locker & Mallett...he throws an INT for every 27 attempts...Mallett every 30, Luck every 40 and Locker every 58 (Vince Young was 1 per 32 passes). He can run sure but in the NFL you have to be a pocket passer first.

You may love him but he is not as good a college QB as either Manning, Stafford or even Tebow was in the SEC.

 

[kerouac9]

He may win the Heisman but so did Eric Crouch - who was also more athlete than QB. He hasn't proven he can throw the ball to win, he hasn't been asked to do that. His INT #'s look good on face value at 5 total until you look at it and compare it to other top QBs like Luck, Locker & Mallett...he throws an INT for every 27 attempts...Mallett every 30, Luck every 40 and Locker every 58 (Vince Young was 1 per 32 passes). He can run sure but in the NFL you have to be a pocket passer first.

You may love him but he is not as good a college QB as either Manning, Stafford or even Tebow was in the SEC.

He's not as good a pro prospect as Manning or Stafford, but he's been a better college QB than either of them, in a limited sample size.

I hope that Cam stays in school for another season and comes out as a senior. His OC could certainly tailor the offense to let him pass more. His overall stats would go down, but at least there would be some tape out there on him.

John H thought that Matt Jones would revolutionize the WR position, so take his analysis with a grain of salt--sometimes his heart runs away with his head.

The team that drafts Cam Newton is doubling down on the Tim Tebow experiment. Newton's throwing motion doesn't have to be broken down and totally rebuilt, but his instincts might have to be. Tebow, Vick, and Vince Young all passed more than they ran their last seasons before drafting. It seems like Newton has the tools to be a good passer, but he hasn't shown the accuracy or consistency yet to take the kind of risk that a first-round pick (especially a top 10 pick) presents.

I love him as a prospect, but I couldn't justify taking him among the top 45 picks. Some OC is going to convince his GM that he can create an offense around his skills, but right now there isn't enough evidence that he can succeed as a passer.

 

[Zeno]

He's not as good a pro prospect as Manning or Stafford, but he's been a better college QB than either of them, in a limited sample size.

Stafford averaged 9 yds an attempt, 3400 yds with 25 TDs and 10 Ints with 61% completion his last year

Manning(I assume you mean Eli) threw for 3900 yds 29 TDs 10 Ints & 62%

Newton projected out is 2400 yds 20 TDs 8 Ints & 65%

Both were better QBs their last year in college than what we've seen from Newton.

Newton isn't a bad QB by any stretch I just see him as more of an athlete than QB...if a team forced him to stay in the pocket and he had to read defenses he'd probably be in trouble.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Christian Ponder is not very good. No way Devlin is ready coming from FCS.

Ponder is awful

Hes been at FSU for 10 years it seems but still makes the same bone head mistakes. Got beat out twice before only to regain the job via injury. No thanks

 

[john h]

He may win the Heisman but so did Eric Crouch - who was also more athlete than QB. He hasn't proven he can throw the ball to win, he hasn't been asked to do that. His INT #'s look good on face value at 5 total until you look at it and compare it to other top QBs like Luck, Locker & Mallett...he throws an INT for every 27 attempts...Mallett every 30, Luck every 40 and Locker every 58 (Vince Young was 1 per 32 passes). He can run sure but in the NFL you have to be a pocket passer first.

You may love him but he is not as good a college QB as either Manning, Stafford or even Tebow was in the SEC.

Some of the Gurus have said he is a bigger stronger Michael Vick. Others say he does not fall down when tackled but falls forward 4 yards. I do not know how many games you have seen this guy play but if you have not then watchws him much then you will be in for a treat. I went into the Arkansas-Auburn game thinking we had a good chance to win with Mallet. We just had absolutely no way to stop this guy and we knew exactly what was going to happen. If you tried to stop his run, which we could not, he would pass with accuracy. I really could not believe what I was seeing. I then thought maybe this was some sort of fluke that LSU who had the best defense in the SEC would stop him as they knew what was coming. They were rated 6th in the nation. He burned them for 216 yards and has already become a cult figure at Auburn. They are saying he is the best player out of Auburn since Bo Jackson. At this point I would not disagree. I watched many of Tim Tebow's games and this guy is without a doubt a better players than Tim Tebow at this point. He is much faster than Tebow, stronger, and has as good or better accuracy. Alabama is still rated high and has a very strong team. I am very anxious to watch this game and see what there defensive plan to stop him is. There is no one man that can take him one on one and stop him from running. He has to many moves, to fast, and to strong. You cannot just defense against him running as he is to good a passer. As I said before, Alabama's best answer is there running game. Keep the ball and use up the time and score. They have that capability. As to stopping him he is going to get his yards. Maybe the best game of the year to watch on TV. I will sure be glad to see him disappear out of the SEC West which is where my team Arkansas resides. We will lose Mallet but we do have a real good sophomore QB in waiting and at this point have the 9th best signing class in the nation. One being a 6'5" 245 lb QB with 4.6 speed. Where do these giant QBs come from? In my day these guys would have been offensive linemen.
An interesting point which has not much to do with our disagreements is that at the end of the LSU game he ran into the back of the end zone and leaped over a high hedge and fence to join the fans. That leap would have been good for a class long jumper. I will see if they have it on U-Tube. I think that I read he first wanted to be a basketball player or baseball player. Forgot which. He is an athlete and certainly could play at the RB position but clearly will go in the NFL as a QB. I do recall the Bears giving up all there draft choices for Williams. That was dumb. Even a great RB like Williams cannot control a game like a great QB no matter how good he is. A QB is the most important guy on the team and can do more to control the teams destiny than anyone person. I said "at this point" I would give up my first four picks for him. I still stand by that. This could change if he is injured or turns out to be a 7 game fluke which is highly doubtful. Would a guy like Peyton Manning be worth a teams first four draft picks. I say without a doubt. Teams are built around their QBs and the great ones come along seldom. You never know for sure who will be great but you get a very good idea the way the pros approach it. Some of our first 4 picks have sucked or were not with us very long. The so called experts, coaches and media are sky high on this player. You do not often see such consensus. I may be over the top on this and you may not recognize the talent being presented to us.

 

[kerouac9]

Stafford averaged 9 yds an attempt, 3400 yds with 25 TDs and 10 Ints with 61% completion his last year

Manning(I assume you mean Eli) threw for 3900 yds 29 TDs 10 Ints & 62%

Newton projected out is 2400 yds 20 TDs 8 Ints & 65%

Both were better QBs their last year in college than what we've seen from Newton.

Newton isn't a bad QB by any stretch I just see him as more of an athlete than QB...if a team forced him to stay in the pocket and he had to read defenses he'd probably be in trouble.

I think in college you judge your QBs by whether or not they win. Newton is winning and winning in a fashion that we haven't seen since #7 was scampering around Virginia Tech. You can't just discount the rushing totals and the wins and say, "Well, he's not a good college quarterback."

You can do that and say that he's a bad pro prospect, which is what I'm saying--or at least not an elite pro prospect. But as a college quarterback, Cam Newton is the best I've seen since Vince Young.

 

[DoTheDew]

I think in college you judge your QBs by whether or not they win. Newton is winning and winning in a fashion that we haven't seen since #7 was scampering around Virginia Tech. You can't just discount the rushing totals and the wins and say, "Well, he's not a good college quarterback."

You can do that and say that he's a bad pro prospect, which is what I'm saying--or at least not an elite pro prospect. But as a college quarterback, Cam Newton is the best I've seen since Vince Young.

Greg McElroy has a 20-1 record in college. Do you think he's one of the best QBs in college?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I continue to be a big Mallet fan being from Arkansas. He has the size at 6'7" and 245 lbs. He has more arm than most NFL QBs. He is accurate and has courage. What is beginning to worry me is that he may be injury prone. He has had two different shoulder problems this year and a concussion. I think he also had surgery on a foot in the off season. He will stand in the pocket and take a hit in order to let the receiver get open but I am concerned about the injuries. The backup to him named Tyler Wilson came in the other day and played lights out. I think he threw three TDs and great accuracy. He started the next game because Mallet had the concussion and we beat Mississippi. He had an excellent game. I think Mallet will be able to start this week against Vanderbilt but am not sure. He went from a odds on favorite to win the Heisman to not even being mentioned now. I think and hope he will get back on track as he does have all the tools in his bag for the NFL. Be sure the NFL guys are watching these injuries. At 6'7" or maybe even 6'8" one might be more suseptable to injuries? What is the tallest successful QB in NFL history? I think Ed Two Tall Jones a defensive lineman may have been 6'10" but am no sure about that.

Tyler Wilson was the guy I was talking about. He's the best looking QB I have seen play this year and he's a backup. Mallet will be a bust. If Leinart wasn't a Whiz type player, Mallet certainly isn't. He has no mental makeup whatsoever.
I'm already starting the Wilson to the Cards bandwagon. I'm telling you that kid is going to be a star.

 

[Shane]

I'm already starting the Wilson to the Cards bandwagon. I'm telling you that kid is going to be a star.

In the mold of Maurice Clarrett? Or a tad better?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

In the mold of Maurice Clarrett? Or a tad better?

He's on his way back. I'm getting a Clarett Omaha Nighthawks jersey before they sell out and become collectors items .

 

[Tashunca]

Ideal Fit

Lucky for the RedBirds the Buckeyes LOST to Wisconsin. It should make it easier to get who should be their next quarterback. NO FLAWS! http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=1549127

 

[kerouac9]

Lucky for the RedBirds the Buckeyes LOST to Wisconsin. It should make it easier to get who should be their next quarterback. NO FLAWS! http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=1549127

Is this facetious? I think that Terrelle Pryor is an interesting prospect, but he's kind of like a more mobile Derek Anderson to me. Big arm, but doesn't always know where it's going.

I think his ceiling is as a Donovan McNabb-type.

 

[WarnerHOF]

Pryor is going to be a WR. He doesn't have the brain capacity to read the field at the next level.

 

[splitsecond]

Is this facetious? I think that Terrelle Pryor is an interesting prospect, but he's kind of like a more mobile Derek Anderson to me. Big arm, but doesn't always know where it's going.

I think his ceiling is as a Donovan McNabb-type.

He reminds me a lot of McNabb. Screw it, sign McNabb, draft Pryor. It could work right?

 

[moklerman]

What about Rattay(for the remainder of the year)? He already knows the system and while not a sexy idea, I think of him as a Shaun Hill type that would at least be able to protect the ball and be serviceable.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Lucky for the RedBirds the Buckeyes LOST to Wisconsin. It should make it easier to get who should be their next quarterback. NO FLAWS! http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=1549127

In no way is Terrelle Pryor a NFL QB. Of course, neither is Vince Young but he was a top 10 pick. Athletically, he's as good as any player in the country. That makes him a good college QB. Whenever he's played even a decent defense in college his passing game has struggled. He may be the worst intermediate passer since Derek Anderson but he can sit back there and chuck the long ball to let his WR's run under it. The best prospect, offensively, for OSU is WR Devier Posey.

 

[Southpaw]

If any of you have not seen the QB from Auburn you are missing out on what looks like one of the best QBs I have ever seen coming out of college. He is 6'6" 250 lbs of muscle. He runs like a shifty RB and can throw the ball a mile. He is a Junior College transfer and I think leads the SEC in yards gained on the ground. He was with Florida but when Tebow decided to come back he transferred to a Junior College. Arkansas could not tackle him nor could the very strong defense of LSU. I think he will be the undisputed favorite to win the Heisman. In the Auburn Magazine listing the players for this year he got only two lines. This guy came out of nowhere. I have never seen a QB who could run like him. Not Vick or anyone else. He can run around you or though you and is extremely hard to bring down due to his size and strength. Very accurate on the move. He is already a cult hero at Auburn who is 7-0. I think the Auburn - Alabama game will be televised so if you can take a look at this guy. He is pro ready today and no one ever heard of him last year in Junior College. If he is not the #1 pick next year then someone will trade up to get him at #1. He is going to pass Tebow in running perhaps next week and he is only midway through his junior year. He may end up as the all time ground gainer in the SEC for a QB. I would trade our first 1-4 picks for this guy.

He is a tight end playing QB in a spread offense a la Tim Tebow and Terelle Pryor.

 

[Southpaw]

Are there any college QBs you can think about starting right away? (after we draft them)

Andrew Luck
Ryan Mallett
Christain Ponder

 

[Southpaw]

Christian Ponder is not very good. No way Devlin is ready coming from FCS.

Christian has played hurt all year. He is 1st rounder. Extremely intelligent, very athletic, perfect QB size, just hurt. Nowhere near the serious injury Bradford had.

 

[Southpaw]

Ponder is awful

Hes been at FSU for 10 years it seems but still makes the same bone head mistakes. Got beat out twice before only to regain the job via injury. No thanks

Are you sure about that?

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Are you sure about that?

yes

see D'vontrey Richardson and Xavier Lee.

 

[Southpaw]

yes

see D'vontrey Richardson and Xavier Lee.

That was under the wacky world of Bobby Bowden aka Dementia man. Whole bunch of people thought it was a crazy decision to force feed Xavier Lee into the starting role. He basically got tossed out of school, which was almost impossible under Bobba. Richardson is playing baseball in the Brewers system.

Recruited in football, Richardson never came close to fulfilling his promise or matching his prep success at FSU.

Last football season, Richardson appeared in 10 games behind starter Christian Ponder, throwing for 315 yards and rushing for 254 yards. He accounted for six touchdowns and set the record for the longest scoring run by an FSU quarterback when he rushed 55 yards for a touchdown versus Chattanooga.

As his playing time diminished, Richardson also spent time in practice at wide receiver. Although Richardson didn't participate in spring drills this year, he had already decided to switch from quarterback to safety this season.

As a redshirt sophomore in 2006, Lee played in eight games, including three starts, and passed for 885 yards with 7 touchdowns and 5 interceptions. Lee started for the injured Drew Weatherford on October 28, 2006, on the road at Maryland. He also started and won his first game on Saturday, November 4 at home against Virginia. On August 23, 2007, the eight-month quarterback competition ended when offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher named Weatherford the starting quarterback for the Seminole's opener at Clemson.

On September 29, 2007, Lee replaced Weatherford in the second quarter against Alabama and led the Seminoles to a 21-14 victory. Lee finished the game 12-19 with 224 yards, two touchdowns, one interception, and 11 rushes for 59 yards. His performance earned him the starting quarterback job and Atlantic Coast Conference co-Offensive Back honors for the week of October 1.[2] Lee subsequently gave the starter's job back to Drew Weatherford due to poor performance.

I am sure Ponder didn't get the start by OP's injury.

 

[Tashunca]

Looks like terrelle pryor has learned to keep his eyes downfield when he scrambles