QB's in the draft

[Zeno]

Whiz has given no indication that he agrees with Leinart haters. So this is all moot.

Yep..thats all that matters.

 

[Mitch]

WOW! I'm starting to think that you are nothing but a biased Leinart hater. All the reasons you stated for not liking Leinart are exactly what Pennington is. When has Pennington ever shown the ability to be a scorer? Pennington has already reached his ceiling and Leinart is still learning so which QB would you rather have?

Ok here are some stats from 2008 (Chad's last good season) playing the easiest schedule in the NFL since you believe Pennington has extremely amazing mid range accuracy.

Pass Thrown: 11-20 yds.72 132 1252 54.5 9.49 64 6 2 0.0 95.9
Stats from Chad's best season (2004)

Pass Thrown: 11-20 yds.50 100 849 50.0 8.49 41 1 8 0.0 49.1
54.5% and 50% completion rate respectively.

Compare that to Warner's 65% completion rate on passes thrown 10-20 yards in 2009.

What you would get out of Pennington is what Leinart did against Tennessee. Expecting anything more is just wishful thinking imo and please, please, please do not compare Pennington to Montana and Warner. Pennington cracks under pressure every time he plays a good defense and his physical limitations and inferior mental makeup make it extremely easy for good defenses to stop him compared to Warner.

Regrettable choice, WHOF, to apply the word "hater" to Early or anyone else who is trying to find a way for the Cardinals to stay one of the top offenses yards and scoring wise in the NFL.

The truth is I think we'd all be thrilled if Matt Leinart surpasses expectations and leads the team back to the playoffs and beyond. But, right now, whether you are a Leinart fan or not, you have to be concerned about adding strength to the position from a number of different standpoints: if he struggles, if he gets hurt, or if he, just like with Warner, gets beat out by a more efficent player.

As devout Cardinals' fans we want the team to win and would be celebrate any QB who can get it done. I will be the first to concede that my reservations about Leinart were wrong, if he dispells them. I imagine Early and anyone else would.

And, remember this, perhaps the best and most convenient solution is that Leinart gets it done...especially seeing as right now he's the only QB on the roster.

 

[Chopper0080]

It strikes me as funny how people who think that the offense will not be as productive with Leinart get called haters. The only things that this offense can hope to improve on with Leinert over Warner are consistency, yards rushing, time of possession, and turnover margin. To imagine that without Warner (and potentially Boldin), who will be a HOF QB, our offense will score more points or produce more yards is naive. However, it isn't naive to believe that we should be able to put together a team that doesn't have to in order to win games.

 

[Duckjake]

Whiz has given no indication that he agrees with Leinart haters. So this is all moot.

The Cards got hot and made a Super Bowl and then choked. Other than that what makes Whisenhunt such a genius?

The Cards have barely won more regular season games than they have lost the last 3 seasons despite having the best WRs in the NFL, a potential HOF QB, a team loaded with veteran talent and the greatest fans in the league. 8-8, 9-7, and 10-6 isn't that great. We just think it is because the Cardinals had been 5-11 every year since the Vietnam War.

Talk to me about KWhiz being the greatest thing since sliced bread after a 12-4 season with no take the day off games which the Cards seem to have on a regular basis under Whisenhunt.

 

[Mulli]

I think a QB will definitely be picked by the Cards come April. Who do you like and dislike and why? Here's what I think:

Clause and Bradford: both will be gone so they are non-factors.

Guys I like:

Colt McCoy: quick, accurate passer. The question is does he have the arm to play in the NFL. I think he does. I don't like how his season ended but i could see him in a Cards uniform especially if they pick up some extra picks.

Jevan Snead: the guy that Colt McCoy made transfer. He has the bigger arm but he's always not all that accurate. Accuracy is a hard trait to develop either you have it or you don't. I like him but have reservations.

Bill Stull: I know Stout just got sick but look at his numbers last year, 21 TD's, 8 INTS's , 65% completion, 8.2 YPA. Pitt runs a pro type offense. He could be a late round find. Same school as Palko.

Max Hall: This guy may be my favorite sleeper QB. If he was 2 inches bigger, he may go in round 1. I compare him to Drew Brees,both prolific college passer but on the small side. Still 33 TD's to 14 Ints and 67% completions is pretty nice.

Dan Lefevour: he's starting to grow on me. I don't like dink and dunk QB's but he threw a real nice deep ball at the Senior Bowl. You have to love his production and work ethic. Still he may just be a spread QB.

Tim Hiller: I don't know what happened to him this year. Last year he was lights out. He may now go undrafted.


Guys i stay away from:

Jarret Brown: me may have a nice arm and be athletic but,like i said, you can't teach accuracy very easily. I see him as a career backup. I like a more polished guy.

Tony Pike: total system QB that I would avoid at all costs. Cincy never missed a beat when he was out. That should tell you plenty.

Sean Canfiled: he had great numbers as a Senior but it was the Pac10 and he showed poor arm strength at the Senior Bowl.

Zac Robinson: i never have liked him and would hate it if the Cards wasted a pick on him.

Mike Kafka: system QB that is very streaky. Not much of a chance to have an impact in the NFL.

On the fence guys:

Tim Tebow: for all his bad mechanics the guy is still pretty accurate on the deep ball. That tells me he can accuracy on the short ball as well. He'll have a role as a wildcat QB at worst.

John Skelton: i've seen his name on here but i don't really know a whole lot about him.

Levi Brown: need alot more info on him. I would tend to shy away from him.

Joe Webb: meh

Final analysis:

Potential best value: Max Hall
highest ceiling: Jevan Snead followed closely by Lefevour
safest pick: Colt McCoy
biggest bust potential: Lefevour
Biggest sleeper: Stull

Great thread!

 

[Gaddabout]

Here's how they went. What an awful year for QBs.

Drafted Quarterbacks
NAME POS SCHOOL ROUND PK(OVR) TEAM
Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma 1 1(1) St. Louis
Tim Tebow QB Florida 1 25(25) Denver
Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame 2 16(48) Carolina
Colt McCoy QB Texas 3 21(85) Cleveland
Michael Kafka QB Northwestern 4 24(122) Philadelphia
John Skelton QB Fordham 5 24(155) Arizona
Jonathan Crompton QB Tennessee 5 37(168) San Diego
Rusty Smith QB Florida Atlantic 6 7(176) Tennessee
Dan LeFevour QB Central Michigan 6 12(181) Chicago
Joe Webb QB UAB 6 30(199) Minnesota
Tony Pike QB Cincinnati 6 35(204) Carolina
Levi Brown QB Troy 7 2(209) Buffalo
Sean Canfield QB Oregon State 7 32(239) New Orleans
Zac Robinson QB Oklahoma State 7 43(250) New England

 

[Gaddabout]

Compare that to 2011. Looking so much better.

Cam Newton QB Auburn 1 1(1) Carolina
Jake Locker QB Washington 1 8(8) Tennessee
Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri 1 10(10) Jacksonville
Christian Ponder QB Florida State 1 12(12) Minnesota
Andy Dalton QB TCU 2 3(35) Cincinnati
Colin Kaepernick QB Nevada 2 4(36) San Francisco
Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas 3 10(74) New England
Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa 5 4(135) Kansas City
T.J. Yates QB North Carolina 5 21(152) Houston
Nathan Enderle QB Idaho 5 29(160) Chicago
Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech 6 15(180) Baltimore
Greg McElroy QB Alabama 7 5(208) NY Jets

 

[Gaddabout]

And 2012

Andrew Luck QB Stanford 1 1(1) Indianapolis
Robert Griffin III QB Baylor 1 2(2) Washington
Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M 1 8(8) Miami
Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma State 1 22(22) Cleveland
Brock Osweiler QB Arizona State 2 25(57) Denver
Russell Wilson QB Wisconsin 3 12(75) Seattle
Nick Foles QB Arizona 3 25(88) Philadelphia
Kirk Cousins QB Michigan State 4 7(102) Washington
Ryan Lindley QB San Diego State 6 15(185) Arizona
B.J. Coleman QB Chattanooga 7 36(243) Green Bay
Chandler Harnish QB Northern Illinois 7 46(253) Indianapolis

Names in bold are guys that appear to be legit starters. Guys in italics are guys I'm not sure will last even as backups.

 

[TJ]

Here's how they went. What an awful year for QBs.

Drafted Quarterbacks
NAME POS SCHOOL ROUND PK(OVR) TEAM
Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma 1 1(1) St. Louis
Tim Tebow QB Florida 1 25(25) Denver
Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame 2 16(48) Carolina
Colt McCoy QB Texas 3 21(85) Cleveland
Michael Kafka QB Northwestern 4 24(122) Philadelphia
John Skelton QB Fordham 5 24(155) Arizona
Jonathan Crompton QB Tennessee 5 37(168) San Diego
Rusty Smith QB Florida Atlantic 6 7(176) Tennessee
Dan LeFevour QB Central Michigan 6 12(181) Chicago
Joe Webb QB UAB 6 30(199) Minnesota
Tony Pike QB Cincinnati 6 35(204) Carolina
Levi Brown QB Troy 7 2(209) Buffalo
Sean Canfield QB Oregon State 7 32(239) New Orleans
Zac Robinson QB Oklahoma State 7 43(250) New England

Ouch....brutal. And I was on the LeFevour bandwagon that season.

 

[john h]

I think a QB will definitely be picked by the Cards come April. Who do you like and dislike and why? Here's what I think:

Clause and Bradford: both will be gone so they are non-factors.

Guys I like:

Colt McCoy: quick, accurate passer. The question is does he have the arm to play in the NFL. I think he does. I don't like how his season ended but i could see him in a Cards uniform especially if they pick up some extra picks.

Jevan Snead: the guy that Colt McCoy made transfer. He has the bigger arm but he's always not all that accurate. Accuracy is a hard trait to develop either you have it or you don't. I like him but have reservations.

Bill Stull: I know Stout just got sick but look at his numbers last year, 21 TD's, 8 INTS's , 65% completion, 8.2 YPA. Pitt runs a pro type offense. He could be a late round find. Same school as Palko.

Max Hall: This guy may be my favorite sleeper QB. If he was 2 inches bigger, he may go in round 1. I compare him to Drew Brees,both prolific college passer but on the small side. Still 33 TD's to 14 Ints and 67% completions is pretty nice.

Dan Lefevour: he's starting to grow on me. I don't like dink and dunk QB's but he threw a real nice deep ball at the Senior Bowl. You have to love his production and work ethic. Still he may just be a spread QB.

Tim Hiller: I don't know what happened to him this year. Last year he was lights out. He may now go undrafted.


Guys i stay away from:

Jarret Brown: me may have a nice arm and be athletic but,like i said, you can't teach accuracy very easily. I see him as a career backup. I like a more polished guy.

Tony Pike: total system QB that I would avoid at all costs. Cincy never missed a beat when he was out. That should tell you plenty.

Sean Canfiled: he had great numbers as a Senior but it was the Pac10 and he showed poor arm strength at the Senior Bowl.

Zac Robinson: i never have liked him and would hate it if the Cards wasted a pick on him.

Mike Kafka: system QB that is very streaky. Not much of a chance to have an impact in the NFL.

On the fence guys:

Tim Tebow: for all his bad mechanics the guy is still pretty accurate on the deep ball. That tells me he can accuracy on the short ball as well. He'll have a role as a wildcat QB at worst.

John Skelton: i've seen his name on here but i don't really know a whole lot about him.

Levi Brown: need alot more info on him. I would tend to shy away from him.

Joe Webb: meh

Final analysis:

Potential best value: Max Hall
highest ceiling: Jevan Snead followed closely by Lefevour
safest pick: Colt McCoy
biggest bust potential: Lefevour
Biggest sleeper: Stull

Last year Tyler Wilson of Arkansas was one of the top QBs in the nation and would have likely gone in the first round. He chose to finish his senior year. Having lost all there receivers to the NFL the Arkansas team this year is really bad but Tyler Wilson is still Tyler Wilson. He may drop down into the second round. I think the pros still know how good he is and is still a likely first round pick. I would not be terrible surprised if he was the first QB selected but that will depend on how he finishes out the year. I have watched him since he became the starter and he sure looks a starting NFL QB to me. He is about 6'4" and 225 lb. Has a strong accurate arm and is a very intelligent player with leadership ability. I believe he led the SEC in passing last year and will likely be near the top this year. Even with a lousy team. If he is there when we draft I hope he is given some consideration. He does not get much attention like Tanneyhill did not, but this guy is going to be in the NFL. Last week he completed his first 9 passes against Auburn and ended up 20/27. His stock has dropped because his team has no running game or offensive line (sounds sort of like us). At the start of the year the big board had him one of the two best senior QBs in the nation. He would be an absolute steal in round 2 but I just do not see him dropping there. He reminds me somewhat of Brett Favre. I am not saying he is a Brett Favre but in stature and throwing motions I am reminded of Brett. Of course all this is based on how Kolb turns out as he is still a mystery QB to me.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Last year Tyler Wilson of Arkansas was one of the top QBs in the nation and would have likely gone in the first round. He chose to finish his senior year. Having lost all there receivers to the NFL the Arkansas team this year is really bad but Tyler Wilson is still Tyler Wilson. He may drop down into the second round. I think the pros still know how good he is and is still a likely first round pick. I would not be terrible surprised if he was the first QB selected but that will depend on how he finishes out the year. I have watched him since he became the starter and he sure looks a starting NFL QB to me. He is about 6'4" and 225 lb. Has a strong accurate arm and is a very intelligent player with leadership ability. I believe he led the SEC in passing last year and will likely be near the top this year. Even with a lousy team. If he is there when we draft I hope he is given some consideration. He does not get much attention like Tanneyhill did not, but this guy is going to be in the NFL. Last week he completed his first 9 passes against Auburn and ended up 20/27. His stock has dropped because his team has no running game or offensive line (sounds sort of like us). At the start of the year the big board had him one of the two best senior QBs in the nation. He would be an absolute steal in round 2 but I just do not see him dropping there. He reminds me somewhat of Brett Favre. I am not saying he is a Brett Favre but in stature and throwing motions I am reminded of Brett. Of course all this is based on how Kolb turns out as he is still a mystery QB to me.

If the Cards get a shot at him and pass....... well put it this way, they better have good security at 3rd and Hardy, or whatever roads the Cards HQ is located.

 

[Chopper0080]

If the Cards get a shot at him and pass....... well put it this way, they better have good security at 3rd and Hardy, or whatever roads the Cards HQ is located.

Tyler Wilson is my number 1 choice.

After that, i will settle for...

Jarvis Jones - OLB - Georgia
Jackson Jeffcoat - OLB - Texas
Star Lotulelei - DT - Utah
Luke Joeckel - OT - Texas A&M
Jake Matthews - OT - Texas A&M
Chance Warmack - OG - Alabama
Jonathan Cooper - OG - North Carolina
Manti Te'o - ILB - Notre Dame

This is my prelim group of can't miss prospects.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Tyler Wilson is my number 1 choice.

After that, i will settle for...

Jarvis Jones - OLB - Georgia
Jackson Jeffcoat - OLB - Texas
Star Lotulelei - DT - Utah
Luke Joeckel - OT - Texas A&M
Jake Matthews - OT - Texas A&M
Chance Warmack - OG - Alabama
Jonathan Cooper - OG - North Carolina
Manti Te'o - ILB - Notre Dame

This is my prelim group of can't miss prospects.

That's a good list. I'd add Sam Montgomery if he declares. This will be a strange draft year because there are no sure fire top 10 DB's or WR's so far. Woods and Hunter are the 2 best WR's(sorry Russ, Allen just doesn't impress me yet) and Dee Milliner is the best CB but he'll be lucky to go top 20.

btw, my choice for most oevrrated, over-drafted player is Jonathon Hankins from OSU. I see him going top 5-10 in alot of mocks. I just don't see it on the field. He's big and has some athleticism but he's no top 10 player. Fringe 1st rounder at best.

 

[Chopper0080]

That's a good list. I'd add Sam Montgomery if he declares. This will be a strange draft year because there are no sure fire top 10 DB's or WR's so far. Woods and Hunter are the 2 best WR's(sorry Russ, Allen just doesn't impress me yet) and Dee Milliner is the best CB but he'll be lucky to go top 20.

btw, my choice for most oevrrated, over-drafted player is Jonathon Hankins from OSU. I see him going top 5-10 in alot of mocks. I just don't see it on the field. He's big and has some athleticism but he's no top 10 player. Fringe 1st rounder at best.

I would agree with Sam Montgomery, and am tempted to add Alex Okafer in the group as well. All of these players come out and make their respective teams better and all fill needs for us.

I don't see us drafting a safety, but TJ McDonald, Kenny Vaccaro and Eric Reid all look like legit pros as well.