Quan Contract demands?

[gamebird98]

Does anyone know what Quans contract demands are....are we far apart from an agreement? thanks for any info

 

[CardinalLaw]

Well Cardinals want to give boldin a Contract Extention and Rosenhaus want a whole new deal so he can make money.

 

[gamebird98]

do you know what kind of money they (Boldin) are asking for?

 

[Russ Smith]

do you know what kind of money they (Boldin) are asking for?

American Dollars?

Lots of reports, one had Quan getting 15 million in bonus 5 per year over 3 years so that if he were healthy, he got the money. If that report was true, and Quan rejected it, then I'd feel Quan was in the wrong.

 

[Capital Card]

do you know what kind of money they (Boldin) are asking for?

I don't think anyone knows for sure, just a lot of speculation. The Cards will never publicly discuss contract details. Some agents will leak negotiations to the press in hopes that the fan base will pressure the organization to move one way or another.

Unless Quan mentions in an interview what financial parameters are being discussed, we'll probably never know for sure.

Go Cards

 

[kerouac9]

American Dollars?

Lots of reports, one had Quan getting 15 million in bonus 5 per year over 3 years so that if he were healthy, he got the money. If that report was true, and Quan rejected it, then I'd feel Quan was in the wrong.

That's easily what Hines Ward is going to get on his new contract--maybe a little less. That's a generous offer for a guy who's had one good statistical season but hasn't made a lot of difference in the standings.

Were it I, I'd let him have $12 bonus and $4 annually for three or four years. There's zero chance that he'll have the impact that Hines Ward has had for the Steelers (perrennial Pro Bowler, always catches 80+ balls a year, etc.).

 

[abomb]

At this point, isnt the whole issue contract extention vs ripping up the original deal?

A-Bomb

 

[seesred]

You can't be meaning what you are writing? He didn't have one good season, Q had one GREAT season. Pro bowl great season. Saying he will never have the impact of Ward just isn't so. When Q came back last year he ended up with close to 60 catches. If you prject that over a full year Ward wouldn't even be sniffing his tail. Don't get me wrong I like Ward a lot. But Q for what ever reason has that special something. The Cardinals organization is even saying it and that's where the contract problems start.

With the team stating you deserve more money Q is simply trying tio get as much out of it as he can. Blame him never. Why should I . If I had his talent I would be doing the very same thing. Many people are painting him a bad guy for this and I don't know why. He has not said one negative thing about the team anywhere. I hope he stays with us simply because he is the best offensive threat we have. When he is on the field the defense has got to ajust leaving other options wide open. I don't quite understand why many on this board are so against him on this. They will figure it out and get it done.
Because that's what is best for the team and best for Q.

GBR
40
IN Green we trust

 

[abomb]

You can't be meaning what you are writing? He didn't have one good season, Q had one GREAT season. Pro bowl great season. Saying he will never have the impact of Ward just isn't so. When Q came back last year he ended up with close to 60 catches. If you prject that over a full year Ward wouldn't even be sniffing his tail. Don't get me wrong I like Ward a lot. But Q for what ever reason has that special something. The Cardinals organization is even saying it and that's where the contract problems start.

With the team stating you deserve more money Q is simply trying tio get as much out of it as he can. Blame him never. Why should I . If I had his talent I would be doing the very same thing. Many people are painting him a bad guy for this and I don't know why. He has not said one negative thing about the team anywhere. I hope he stays with us simply because he is the best offensive threat we have. When he is on the field the defense has got to ajust leaving other options wide open. I don't quite understand why many on this board are so against him on this. They will figure it out and get it done.
Because that's what is best for the team and best for Q.

GBR
40
IN Green we trust

The stats dont lie. Hines Ward has had 80+ catches for 1000+ yards for four seasons in a row. He has eight years in the league. Quan had one great season and very solid half of one season. His missed games due to injury dont factor into the equation.

Until Anquan puts up consistent, injury-free numbers for several years, there is still the chance he is a "flash in the pan".

A-Bomb

 

[ryanshaug]

You can't be meaning what you are writing? He didn't have one good season, Q had one GREAT season. Pro bowl great season. Saying he will never have the impact of Ward just isn't so. When Q came back last year he ended up with close to 60 catches. If you prject that over a full year Ward wouldn't even be sniffing his tail. Don't get me wrong I like Ward a lot. But Q for what ever reason has that special something. The Cardinals organization is even saying it and that's where the contract problems start.

With the team stating you deserve more money Q is simply trying tio get as much out of it as he can. Blame him never. Why should I . If I had his talent I would be doing the very same thing. Many people are painting him a bad guy for this and I don't know why. He has not said one negative thing about the team anywhere. I hope he stays with us simply because he is the best offensive threat we have. When he is on the field the defense has got to ajust leaving other options wide open. I don't quite understand why many on this board are so against him on this. They will figure it out and get it done.
Because that's what is best for the team and best for Q.

GBR
40
IN Green we trust

David Boston had a great season as well...look how he turned out. It takes more than one season for a player to deserve the type of money that Hines Ward is getting. I do think he deserves more than he's getting right now, I don't think he's another David Boston (attitude), but I do think he's somewhat of a risk with his knees...

 

[kerouac9]

You can't be meaning what you are writing? He didn't have one good season, Q had one GREAT season. Pro bowl great season. Saying he will never have the impact of Ward just isn't so. When Q came back last year he ended up with close to 60 catches. If you prject that over a full year Ward wouldn't even be sniffing his tail. Don't get me wrong I like Ward a lot. But Q for what ever reason has that special something. The Cardinals organization is even saying it and that's where the contract problems start.

With the team stating you deserve more money Q is simply trying tio get as much out of it as he can. Blame him never. Why should I . If I had his talent I would be doing the very same thing. Many people are painting him a bad guy for this and I don't know why. He has not said one negative thing about the team anywhere. I hope he stays with us simply because he is the best offensive threat we have. When he is on the field the defense has got to ajust leaving other options wide open. I don't quite understand why many on this board are so against him on this. They will figure it out and get it done.
Because that's what is best for the team and best for Q.

GBR
40
IN Green we trust

Do you even watch the Steelers? Do you have any idea what Hines Ward means to that franchise? If you did, you'd know that you're being stupid to say that Boldin is a better player than Ward is.

Ward's gone over 1000 yards receiving the past four seasons. In 2003 Ward caught an insane 112 passes (from Kordell Stewart, no less) and 12 TDs. Ward's scored 26 TDs in the last three seasons and has two seasons of double-digit TDs. In the seven years that he's been in the league, he's failed to score less than four TDs once--his rookie year. And the most important thing: Hines Ward has yet to miss a single game due to injury.

Anquan Boldin's done none of these things. He scored one TD last year. One. His yards per catch dropped by two and a half yards, and he's had two knee surgeries in the past three years. One guy hasn't ever held out of camp, despite playing well below his contract for years and years, and the other signed an agent known for holding players out for unreasonable demands.

Get off 81's jock and look at the facts: Hines Ward was Anquan Boldin before Anquan was.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

His yards per catch dropped by two and a half yards, QUOTE]

As much as everyone hated Jeff Blake, one thing he did that McCown never did: Lead his receiver. Quan had sooo many more opportunities to make big plays with Blake then he ever had with McCown b/c Blake at least led Quan and allowed him space to make plays after the catch


Of course he also layed him out over the middle a few times, but I guess you take the good with the bad.

 

[Skkorpion]

We'll never know what the Cards offered. The danger is that old man Bill Bidwill might just interfere and nix any negotiations now.

 

[kerouac9]

As much as everyone hated Jeff Blake, one thing he did that McCown never did: Lead his receiver. Quan had sooo many more opportunities to make big plays with Blake then he ever had with McCown b/c Blake at least led Quan and allowed him space to make plays after the catch


Of course he also layed him out over the middle a few times, but I guess you take the good with the bad.

That's true, but I'm just talking about YPC (which is more about getting open and getting seen in patterns) than about YAC yards. McCown totally blew at getting the ball to his WRs so that they could run with it. No one had any YAC yards last season.

I still think that if Jeff Blake were the starting QB at the beginning of the season that we would have been the Wild Card instead of the Rams. I think we would have at least beaten the 49ers both times, and probably the Falcons. Boom--playoffs.

 

[Russ Smith]

Do you even watch the Steelers? Do you have any idea what Hines Ward means to that franchise? If you did, you'd know that you're being stupid to say that Boldin is a better player than Ward is.

Ward's gone over 1000 yards receiving the past four seasons. In 2003 Ward caught an insane 112 passes (from Kordell Stewart, no less) and 12 TDs. Ward's scored 26 TDs in the last three seasons and has two seasons of double-digit TDs. In the seven years that he's been in the league, he's failed to score less than four TDs once--his rookie year. And the most important thing: Hines Ward has yet to miss a single game due to injury.

Anquan Boldin's done none of these things. He scored one TD last year. One. His yards per catch dropped by two and a half yards, and he's had two knee surgeries in the past three years. One guy hasn't ever held out of camp, despite playing well below his contract for years and years, and the other signed an agent known for holding players out for unreasonable demands.

Get off 81's jock and look at the facts: Hines Ward was Anquan Boldin before Anquan was.

All true.

THe Cards kept comparing Quan to Ward after they picked him.

Ward's first 2 NFL seasons he caught 76 passes for 885 yards and 7 td(all in his 2nd year).

Boldin caught 157 passes for 2000 yards and 9 TD's.

Hell if you throw in Ward's THIRD season you still get ~124 catches and 1550
yards and 11 TD's.

So if we're comparing the 2 on a projection, Quan is WAY ahead of Ward. The primary thing is we're assuming Quan was just FAR more ready to play early in his career than Ward was, and you're assuming that Quan's knees make it much less likely he keeps up his pace.

It took Ward 48 games and 29 starts to get to the level Quan was at as a rookie. Which is precisely why Quan feels he's so underpaid.

Don't get me wrong I love Ward and love the fact that he's NOT holding out he complains, but he shows up, but the problem here is Ward and Boldin are negotiating from far different circumstances.

Ward extended his deal prior to the 2001 season coming off a 48 catch 4 TD year. He then "blew up". He's been asking for more money 2 years running, the only reason there's no concern over his status now is simple, he's in the last year of his contract, holding out now would be certifiably stupid.

Pittsburgh got some great "cheap" years out of Ward but they may wind up losing him as a UFA if they choose not to franchise him or don't get the contract done. We can do the same thing with Quan but we'll only get 2 more years not the 4 they got.

 

[Pariah]

Well Cardinals want to give boldin a Contract Extention and Rosenhaus want a whole new deal so he can make money.

There's no way the Cards offered to simply extend his existing contract. That would be insulting. And, it's far from lame that Boldin wouldn't want to extend his current contract.

The Cards have offered him a new contract, but I guess the public's not sure what it was. I heard $15M over a few years?

 

[DieHardFromMO]

Were it I, I'd let him have $12 bonus and $4 annually for three or four years. There's zero chance that he'll have the impact that Hines Ward has had for the Steelers (perrennial Pro Bowler, always catches 80+ balls a year, etc.).

Wow, somebody that is actually a bigger tightwad than Bill Bidwill.

 

[Skkorpion]

Wow, somebody that is actually a bigger tightwad than Bill Bidwill.

K9 is 100% right about Anquan. Gulp. Did I just agree with K9?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

His yards per catch dropped by two and a half yards, QUOTE]

As much as everyone hated Jeff Blake, one thing he did that McCown never did: Lead his receiver. Quan had sooo many more opportunities to make big plays with Blake then he ever had with McCown b/c Blake at least led Quan and allowed him space to make plays after the catch


Of course he also layed him out over the middle a few times, but I guess you take the good with the bad.

All true... but QUAN was playing inside when Blake was the QB and running all kinds of over the middle and crossing patterns. McCown was also hitting him when he took over at the end of Quan's first year.

Hopefully, he'll (Quan) be back there next season and then we can have a true comparison with Hines Ward.

 

[Russ Smith]

That's true, but I'm just talking about YPC (which is more about getting open and getting seen in patterns) than about YAC yards. McCown totally blew at getting the ball to his WRs so that they could run with it. No one had any YAC yards last season.

I still think that if Jeff Blake were the starting QB at the beginning of the season that we would have been the Wild Card instead of the Rams. I think we would have at least beaten the 49ers both times, and probably the Falcons. Boom--playoffs.

Agreed, Blake wasn't a world beater but he was better than Josh. That decision was made because you can't tell your new boss we're passing on a QB to take a WR if you don't have a QB of the future, and Jeff Blake at his age wasn't going to convince anybody he was the QB of the future.

Green knew BLake would be a pain in the ass if he was backing up Josh, so he cut him.

 

[kerouac9]

All true.

THe Cards kept comparing Quan to Ward after they picked him.

Ward's first 2 NFL seasons he caught 76 passes for 885 yards and 7 td(all in his 2nd year).

Boldin caught 157 passes for 2000 yards and 9 TD's.

Hell if you throw in Ward's THIRD season you still get ~124 catches and 1550
yards and 11 TD's.

So if we're comparing the 2 on a projection, Quan is WAY ahead of Ward. The primary thing is we're assuming Quan was just FAR more ready to play early in his career than Ward was, and you're assuming that Quan's knees make it much less likely he keeps up his pace.

It took Ward 48 games and 29 starts to get to the level Quan was at as a rookie. Which is precisely why Quan feels he's so underpaid.

Don't get me wrong I love Ward and love the fact that he's NOT holding out he complains, but he shows up, but the problem here is Ward and Boldin are negotiating from far different circumstances.

Ward extended his deal prior to the 2001 season coming off a 48 catch 4 TD year. He then "blew up". He's been asking for more money 2 years running, the only reason there's no concern over his status now is simple, he's in the last year of his contract, holding out now would be certifiably stupid.

Pittsburgh got some great "cheap" years out of Ward but they may wind up losing him as a UFA if they choose not to franchise him or don't get the contract done. We can do the same thing with Quan but we'll only get 2 more years not the 4 they got.

Maybe, but the contract that I just read today (from John Clayton in an ESPN Insider chat) was that Ward is going to be getting a little more than $5 million per year on his extension that they plan to have done very soon. That's not for a projection on a player, that's for a player with three straight Pro Bowl appearances and a guy that basically represents everything that the team is about.

Anquan is asking (allegedly) for the same amout of money with one Pro Bowl appearance (not as a starter) and two bad knees. How many starts did it take for Ward to get those kind of numbers, though? Anquan was a starter from the beginning. What Anquan represents so far is very "Old Cardinals": putting up big stats while the team notches double-digit losses. Maybe if Anquan had won some games for us he'd have a better case.

I understand what you're saying, of course, but it's pretty ridiculous for people to say that he deserves the same kind of money that Hines is going to get based on one good year.

 

[Russ Smith]

All true... but QUAN was playing inside when Blake was the QB and running all kinds of over the middle and crossing patterns. McCown was also hitting him when he took over at the end of Quan's first year.

Hopefully, he'll (Quan) be back there next season and then we can have a true comparison with Hines Ward.

Quan's numbers dropped pretty much across the board when Blake was benched for Josh, YPC dropped markedly, over 2 YPC. In fact if QUan hadn't made a great adjustment on a 60 yard TD pass against Seattle (from Josh) he would have had 21 catches for 162 yards or 7.6 YPC in the games Josh started that year.

 

[kerouac9]

All true... but QUAN was playing inside when Blake was the QB and running all kinds of over the middle and crossing patterns. McCown was also hitting him when he took over at the end of Quan's first year.

Hopefully, he'll (Quan) be back there next season and then we can have a true comparison with Hines Ward.

Um... no, Josh wasn't. Quan's YAC stats went down precipitiously (sp?) once Josh was anointed starter, and Russ and I were on here early into last off-season pointing that out and saying that everyone should expect Quan to put up worse numbers in 2004 because of it.

Lo and behold, who was right? Josh couldn't hit ANYBODY in stride all season long. You can accept the occaisonal layout over the middle if you're going to get the chance to log a 45-yard run after the catch (Blake). McCown laid everyone out and then placed the ball behind them when they were running the out.

 

[Russ Smith]

Maybe, but the contract that I just read today (from John Clayton in an ESPN Insider chat) was that Ward is going to be getting a little more than $5 million per year on his extension that they plan to have done very soon. That's not for a projection on a player, that's for a player with three straight Pro Bowl appearances and a guy that basically represents everything that the team is about.

Anquan is asking (allegedly) for the same amout of money with one Pro Bowl appearance (not as a starter) and two bad knees. How many starts did it take for Ward to get those kind of numbers, though? Anquan was a starter from the beginning. What Anquan represents so far is very "Old Cardinals": putting up big stats while the team notches double-digit losses. Maybe if Anquan had won some games for us he'd have a better case.

I understand what you're saying, of course, but it's pretty ridiculous for people to say that he deserves the same kind of money that Hines is going to get based on one good year.

Understood. My point was while I agree Ward was highly underpaid, HE sought out and got an extension after his 3rd year based on the numbers he'd put up. He was the 28th highest paid Wr after that extension went through, with a career best of just over 60 receptions. had he known then he was about to blow up he'd have demanded a lot more money. But he didn't, his agent didn't, and Pittsburgh didn't so he took what was perceived to be a really good deal.

Quan isn't negotiating his first extension or new deal off that. His worst year, incomplete, was almost as good as Ward's best of his first 3 years, at this stage of his career he's a much better player than Ward was so he's asking for a much better deal than 28th best WR contract.


I don't know what a fair contract is, but saying he shouldn't get as much as a guy who's played that much longer is completely backwards to how the NFL works.

The cards have consistently compared him to Ward, so it's hard for them to now say but he's not as good as him so he can't ask for that much?

 

[Red Hawk Old]

Q had one GREAT season

Note "one" as in one shot wonder.


Future trivia question.