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ugh. this is still going on?

Here's the bottom line: Kurt is not perfect. His flaws give coaches pause, especially in a more conservative offense like Whis wants to run. Also, it doesn't help that he's got a high-first round draft pick on the same roster. It's natural that they'll want to see what he's got. It's the very same problem he encountered in NY. I feel for him because it sucks, but it's also the reality of the situation.
 

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Because it was an example of the line not magically being better. They still had issues. I don't even know what you're arguing. I think they were a bad line in front of Eli and Warner. Eli took fewer sacks and Warner was struggling. What are you disagreeing with? They gradually continued to improve throughout the year and Eli finished pretty strong if I remember correctly. But that doesn't mean they were a cohesive, effective unit to start the year and for much of it leading up to the switch at QB.

Are you saying that you think the line was good or fine? Did you watch any of the first 9 games of that year?

actually it was the ONLY example of the line not being magically better. The other games Eli started the sacks were 1, 1, 2. 0, 2 and 1. So there was precisely one game where they gave up more than 2 sacks with Eli and you picked that one game.

With Kurt at QB there were only 2 games where they gave up as few as 2 sacks, the numbers were 4, 2, 2, 4, 3, 6, 5, 7, and 6. Now if your claim is the OL was getting better as the season went on and that's why sacks came down for Manning how do we explain that the 4 worst sack games came in succession right before Kurt got benched? Shouldn't that improvement have been apparent and the sacks were coming down as the season went on? My opinion is the sacks would have gotten even worse if they hadn't changed Qb's and protected Kurt.

yes I saw more than one of those games that year and I fully agree that the national media kept telling us the Giants had a bad OL, right up until Warner went to the bench and it became apparent he had a lot to do with all the sacks.

I do think that bad OL was good enough for Barber to get over 1500 yards rushing and 13 TD's but maybe they were all just good run blockers and horrible pass rushers, until Eli took over.

That's it for me I hope we play the best QB for winning games whichever that is.
 
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That's it for me I hope we play the best QB for winning games whichever that is.
You think it was a good(enough) line all year long, no one else seems to Warner's sack% was 4.2 last year. Seems to me he's improving and adapting and it isn't an issue for the current team.
 

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ugh. this is still going on?

Here's the bottom line: Kurt is not perfect. His flaws give coaches pause, especially in a more conservative offense like Whis wants to run. Also, it doesn't help that he's got a high-first round draft pick on the same roster. It's natural that they'll want to see what he's got. It's the very same problem he encountered in NY. I feel for him because it sucks, but it's also the reality of the situation.

What also is the reality of the situation is that we are a borderline playoff team, who can't afford to lose games tinkering with an unknown quantity. Do I think we'll make the super bowl with Warner as QB? Probably not...but I think our chances of making the playoffs are much greater with Kurt at the helm.
 

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The Playoffs would be nice for a change, whomever has the best chance to get this team there should be starting. I will trust Whiz with that call but if Matty starts stinking it up they better not wait to long to pull him.
 

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What also is the reality of the situation is that we are a borderline playoff team, who can't afford to lose games tinkering with an unknown quantity. Do I think we'll make the super bowl with Warner as QB? Probably not...but I think our chances of making the playoffs are much greater with Kurt at the helm.

Kurt can score Matt last year showed he could not buy a TD. The first five games the cards could go 5 and 0. I'm not saying they will but the cards have to win early or it's over this year. And Kurt with out a doubt can do just that. Matt Maybe. I don't like maybe.
 

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Kurt can score Matt last year showed he could not buy a TD. The first five games the cards could go 5 and 0. I'm not saying they will but the cards have to win early or it's over this year. And Kurt with out a doubt can do just that. Matt Maybe. I don't like maybe.

If I'm not mistaken we were 5-6 with Warner starting. Starting Kurt guarantees nothing!!!
 

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If I'm not mistaken we were 5-6 with Warner starting. Starting Kurt guarantees nothing!!!
I'd say more like 7-5. SF, Seattle, Baltimore and Carolina were not "his" games. Pitt and StL are debatable but I'd give those wins to Warner more than Leinart.
 

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If I'm not mistaken we were 5-6 with Warner starting. Starting Kurt guarantees nothing!!!

OK I was told to come to this board. The people here are smart and have good debates on the subject at hand and you don't get the moronic miss leading junk you get at other places. I should not even answer you - this is the same waste of time I get at the other board.

Kurt was 7 and 5 and you know it. He had an injury that would have kept most QB out for the year. He had the second best QB performance for a cardinals QB in their last 20 years in only 11 full games. And led them to their only second non losing season in 20 years.

He did not start but scored all the points in the rams game. Yes all the points Kurt won that game and you know it.

He did not start but there is no way the cardinals win the pittsburgh game without Kurt. He had 14 of the 21 points. Matt played poorly that game except on one drive that he got lucky on with a very under thrown ball that's Fitz came back for. Kurt Won that Game.

Kurt did start but played only 3 or 5 plays and was out against Carolina -that loss was not on him.

But you know all this. Same old same old Junk.
 
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