Question about the called back pick six

[Folster]

What happened? I saw a blatant hold on the GB o-line and Peterson taunting as he pointed on his way into the endzone. The official announces fouls on both teams, right? Then they announce hands to the face on us and taunting on us too? WTF?

Also, was there a single holding call last night against the GB o-line? Or our oline for that matter? It's like GB realized they weren't calling it and we didn't and kept playing straight.

 

[Russ Smith]

What happened? I saw a blatant hold on the GB o-line and Peterson taunting as he pointed on his way into the endzone. The official announces fouls on both teams, right? Then they announce hands to the face on us and taunting on us too? WTF?

Also, was there a single holding call last night against the GB o-line? Or our oline for that matter? It's like GB realized they weren't calling it and we didn't and kept playing straight.

I asked it too. The only thing I could think is by both teams he meant offense and defense and we were defense before the pick and offense after the pick.

 

[NJCardFan]

To answer the 2nd question, no. Not one holding call, at least not offensively. As for the first, you're correct. The referee announced fouls on both teams and at the time in my mind that would have meant the Cards kept the ball as theirs was post possession. My guess was that they were going to call holding on them and taunting on us which would have given us the ball, at worst, on their 25 or something but instead both calls were on us and as of now no explanation has been given as to why the referee said fouls on both teams but both ended up on us.

 

[az jam]

The call was against us, defense illegal hands to the face. It gave the Packers 5 yards and an automatic first down. It wiped out the interception.

 

[Harry]

The way holding is called is the offensive linemen is allowed to grab the rushers jersey as long as he keeps his hands inside the shoulders. However if he uses that hold to pull the rusher to the ground or grabs the shoulder pads he'll be flagged.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

The ref said their were 2 fouls against the defense, not on each team...Peterson's stupid flag was declined, because it was post-possession change...Rucker's was enforced, thus giving the ball back to Packers with a 1st down. Now, if their would have been a penalty on GB for holding, and no penalty on Rucker, the TD would have still been called back to about the GB 30 yard line, because Peterson's flag for taunting came before he scored.

 

[NJCardFan]

The call was against us, defense illegal hands to the face. It gave the Packers 5 yards and an automatic first down. It wiped out the interception.

We all understand that. The question is when the referee was making the call, he clearly says, "there are fouls on both teams on the play" then proceeds to call taunting on us which was declined then illegal hands to the face which was accepted giving them a 1st down. No explanation as to why he said fouls on both teams but both on us. It was never brought up again except to point out that Freeney was tackled with no call. The officials certainly impacted this game.

 

[NJCardFan]

The ref said their were 2 fouls against the defense, not on each team...Peterson's stupid flag was declined, because it was post-possession change...Rucker's was enforced, thus giving the ball back to Packers with a 1st down. Now, if their would have been a penalty on GB for holding, and no penalty on Rucker, the TD would have still been called back to about the GB 30 yard line, because Peterson's flag for taunting came before he scored.

No. I just rewatched the play on NFL Game Pass and the referee CLEARLY says, "There are fouls on both teams on the play". CLEARLY meaning plain as day. Let me repeat, as I type this I am rewatching this play and the referee CLEARLY says "There are fouls on BOTH TEAMS on the play".

In case you don't believe me, see for yourself: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000623860/Patrick-Peterson-s-pick-6-called-back[/URL]

 

[Cheesebeef]

We all understand that. The question is when the referee was making the call, he clearly says, "there are fouls on both teams on the play" then proceeds to call taunting on us which was declined then illegal hands to the face which was accepted giving them a 1st down. No explanation as to why he said fouls on both teams but both on us. It was never brought up again except to point out that Freeney was tackled with no call. The officials certainly impacted this game.

the officials were awful on both sides. anyone complaining that we got screwed when they wiped out that incrdedible Cobb catch, gave us back the Fitz catch on the review, DIDN'T call bethel on obvious PI on the one of the first failed Hail Mary's and never called holding on our offense once all night is kidding themselves. Those officials were terrible for both sides.

 

[82CardsGrad]

The call was against us, defense illegal hands to the face. It gave the Packers 5 yards and an automatic first down. It wiped out the interception.

Nope... The call was offsetting fouls and therefore, the down was replayed...

 

[Folster]

Nope... The call was offsetting fouls and therefore, the down was replayed...

What were the calls then?

 

[NJCardFan]

Nope... The call was offsetting fouls and therefore, the down was replayed...

You're my boy and all buy c'mon. Watch the video I posted. Both fouls were called on us. If it were offsetting it wouldn't have been 1st down.

 

[NJCardFan]

the officials were awful on both sides. anyone complaining that we got screwed when they wiped out that incrdedible Cobb catch, gave us back the Fitz catch on the review, DIDN'T call bethel on obvious PI on the one of the first failed Hail Mary's and never called holding on our offense once all night is kidding themselves. Those officials were terrible for both sides.

Point to me 1 play on offense for us that could have been called for holding. I will look up such a play but just off the top of my head I can point out at least 4 on GB that weren't called.

 

[Mainstreet]

If I recall correctly, on that same play, there was an obvious penalty on the Packers that was not called. They showed it on replay. It's hard to believe the referee missed it.

 

[82CardsGrad]

You're my boy and all buy c'mon. Watch the video I posted. Both fouls were called on us. If it were offsetting it wouldn't have been 1st down.

There were 3 (THREE) fouls called on the play... 2 against the Cards and one against the Packers. The fouls all offset and the down was replayed.

 

[NJCardFan]

There were 3 (THREE) fouls called on the play... 2 against the Cards and one against the Packers. The fouls all offset and the down was replayed.

Here's the text from NFL.com:

3-4-ARI 18
(13:08) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass deep left intended for 89-J.Jones INTERCEPTED by 21-P.Peterson at ARI 0. 21-P.Peterson for 100 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. Penalty on ARI-21-P.Peterson, Taunting, declined. PENALTY on ARI-92-F.Rucker, Illegal Use of Hands, 6 yards, enforced at ARI 18 - No Play.

Next play:

1-10-ARI 12
(12:49) (Shotgun) 27-E.Lacy left tackle to ARI 12 for no gain (20-D.Bucannon).

No penalty on GB of any sort. The referee mentions no penalty on GB of any sort. If there were offsetting penalties it would have been 3rd down and not 1st down.

 

[Ed Burmila]

You have to say one thing for that officiating crew, they were consistent.

Honestly I don't mind if their attitude is LET'EM PLAY. As long as they apply that to both teams. It's when they miss a million fouls and then start calling petty ones that it drives me crazy.

Both teams got away with a considerable amount of contact in the passing game. Green Bay's offensive line got away with about 15 holds, and I saw Veldheer get away with at least two.

Nobody has anything to complain about, officiating-wise. They decided they weren't going to throw a lot of flags and they stuck to that. I can live with that.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Here's the text from NFL.com:



Next play:


No penalty on GB of any sort. The referee mentions no penalty on GB of any sort. If there were offsetting penalties it would have been 3rd down and not 1st down.

Strange... Could swear I remember hearing the ref announce the down would be replayed...

 

[splitsecond]

Is anyone surprised that the hold got missed by the crew who has called the least offensive holding all year?


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[Joe Mama]

I do think they got away with a lot more obvious holds by their offensive line, but like cheesebeef said at least they were consistently bad against both teams. I do disagree with it being okay to allow more contact if it's consistent. It's better than the calls being lopsided, sure, but just call the damn game the way it is supposed to be called. That's the same kind of officiating that killed the Phoenix Suns during the Nash era.

The big missed call that saved us last night was the pass interference on the third-down drop by Green Bay in the fourth quarter. I'm talking about the one where they originally called it a catch and a long run after the receiver got back up off the ground. That entire play was just embarrassing for that officiating crew. I can't remember who our defender was on that one, but he was all over the receiver and most likely the only reason the ball didn't get caught for a critical first down.

And my God did our secondary make some horrible mistakes during that last Green Bay possession. The whole team is going to play a hell of a lot better next week if we are going to the Super Bowl.

Joe

 

[Ed Burmila]

And my God did our secondary make some horrible mistakes during that last Green Bay possession. The whole team is going to play a hell of a lot better next week if we are going to the Super Bowl.

Joe

Ding ding ding!

I watched the Packers-Lions game with a Detroit fanatic and I said at the time, how in God's name do you let the defenders all end up BEHIND the receiver on a hail mary?

You can't let that happen at any level of football, ever. It's Pop Warner 101 that you make the receiver have to go over the top of the pack and make a miracle catch.

 

[Stout]

the officials were awful on both sides. anyone complaining that we got screwed when they wiped out that incrdedible Cobb catch, gave us back the Fitz catch on the review, DIDN'T call bethel on obvious PI on the one of the first failed Hail Mary's and never called holding on our offense once all night is kidding themselves. Those officials were terrible for both sides.

Gave us back the Fitz catch? That was an idiotic challenge on a clear catch. I mean, if that's not a catch, the WR will have to carry the ball to the sideline, take it into the locker room after the game, shower with it, and make it to the plane for it to be ruled a catch.

 

[nashman]

Agree the fitz catch he took five or six steps before he went down clear possession then the grown knocked it lose. If that's not a catch nothing is!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

You have to say one thing for that officiating crew, they were consistent.

Honestly I don't mind if their attitude is LET'EM PLAY. As long as they apply that to both teams. It's when they miss a million fouls and then start calling petty ones that it drives me crazy.

Both teams got away with a considerable amount of contact in the passing game. Green Bay's offensive line got away with about 15 holds, and I saw Veldheer get away with at least two.

Nobody has anything to complain about, officiating-wise. They decided they weren't going to throw a lot of flags and they stuck to that. I can live with that.

Exactly. Let the players decide and only call the blatant penalties. I loved the way the game was called rather than 14 penalties a team and keeping teams from getting any rhythm.

 

[NJCardFan]

Exactly. Let the players decide and only call the blatant penalties. I loved the way the game was called rather than 14 penalties a team and keeping teams from getting any rhythm.

That's the problem. They didn't call the blatant penalties. When you have a handful of an opponent's jersey, that should be called.