Question. The year we drafted Floyd

[EndZone]

Weren't there reports he was drunk at a bar in Scottsdale even before training camp?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Yup!

Good to see you EZ!

 

[cardncubfan]

I believe a member offered to buy him a beer & MF got ticked off about it. Don't remember who though.

 

[Finito]

Floyd has been in the league for what 4-5 years now without a single incident. He's always been a solid WR but he just slipped so far this year maybe something's going on at home. He hasn't seemed right all year

 

[speedy]

Weren't there reports he was drunk at a bar in Scottsdale even before training camp?

More reason to stay out of snobstale

 

[speedy]

Floyd has been in the league for what 4-5 years now without a single incident. He's always been a solid WR but he just slipped so far this year maybe something's going on at home. He hasn't seemed right all year

Thank you Finito. Seems there are way too many hardass key board warrior people who never seemingly fell on difficult times on this board.

 

[Russ Smith]

The other thing coming out in the stories now is that Floyd apparently told police he's on a blood thinner medication. If that's true I gotta wonder what the heck he's doing playing in the NFL?

My girlfriend takes coumadin, first of all you can't take alcohol with blood thinners, very dangerous(it thins the blood more), but football is a violent sport you don't play if you're taking blood thinners.

I don't know if he was just babbling and that's not true or not but if it is I'm amazed he has been playing and no wonder he's been so bad if he's got a condition that requires him to take blood thinners.

 

[JeffGollin]

Dude doesn't get open enough and drops passes. Let's focus on that.

 

[Hollywood]

Floyd has been in the league for what 4-5 years now without a single incident. He's always been a solid WR but he just slipped so far this year maybe something's going on at home. He hasn't seemed right all year

Maybe he fell off the wagon last season and he's been trying to hide it.

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[Brian]

I believe a member offered to buy him a beer & MF got ticked off about it. Don't remember who though.

If memory serves, he (Floyd) also accused the person trying to buy him the beer of hitting on him and went after him.

 

[eastcoastSUN]

Am I the only one that feels somewhat sorry for the guy? He's been on the team for quite a while now and has been a decent teammate (at least from what reports show). He even penned a Player's Tribune letter to Fitz showing his respect and admiration for him. The only knock is that he takes plays off and does not put in the hard work to justify a WR1 money.

I follow a few players on social media and Floyd used to post alot of pictures of himself with his (presumed) GF. The past twelve months, she has disappeared from his feed. Maybe there is a reasoning for his falling off the wagon. He has been clean since we drafted him. What I'm saying is we shouldn't judge if we don't know the extenuating circumstances to his private life.

 

[daves]

The other thing coming out in the stories now is that Floyd apparently told police he's on a blood thinner medication. If that's true I gotta wonder what the heck he's doing playing in the NFL?

My girlfriend takes coumadin, first of all you can't take alcohol with blood thinners, very dangerous(it thins the blood more), but football is a violent sport you don't play if you're taking blood thinners.

This may be a bit off topic, but....

Eh, i'm on coumadin also and the easiest thing for a doctor to say is "NEVER DRINK ALCOHOL when you're on coumadin, it thins the blood more!" - which is true and protects them from liability. And what do they care of the effect on your lifestyle? But i've got my own test equipment and i know that alcohol has a pretty mild effect on my INR... so even when i'm on a pub crawl and drinking all day, i just reduce my dose a bit that night.

Some doctors will also tell you "NEVER EAT SPINACH or other foods containing high levels of vitamin K - they thicken your blood!" Yep, same thing. If i eat a huge spinach salad every day, sure it has a mild effect on my INR. But i just take a little extra coumadin, and i'm fine. Or just drink more.

Now granted, i merely have a slightly elevated chance of developing a blood clot. And they don't develop overnight, so if my INR is a little low for a few days, no biggie. Your girlfriend and others might have some reason to keep INR in an extremely narrow range. Or people whose condition requires them to have an extremely high INR might really not want to ever let it get any higher. Guess i'm fortunate that i can adjust my dose to my lifestyle and not have it affect me much.

Also, some doctors will say, "DON'T EVER ENGAGE IN A CONTACT SPORT WHILE ON COUMADIN!" But (a) players don't often get injured in the NFL such that they have severe bleeding, (b) if they do, they're surrounded by expert medical personnel who are familiar with their condition, and (c) coumadin can be counter-acted. I still bike, ski, ride my motorcycle, and play roller hockey. If i could make millions of dollars playing football, i would not let coumadin therapy stop me.

Then again, i wouldn't risk lives, arrest, and my career by drinking and driving, either!

...dave

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Floyd has been in the league for what 4-5 years now without a single incident. He's always been a solid WR but he just slipped so far this year maybe something's going on at home. He hasn't seemed right all year

Exactly.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Dont'a Hightower

 

[EndZone]

Floyd has been in the league for what 4-5 years now without a single incident. He's always been a solid WR but he just slipped so far this year maybe something's going on at home. He hasn't seemed right all year

Thank you Finito. Seems there are way too many hardass key board warrior people who never seemingly fell on difficult times on this board.

I was simply asking a question.

 

[speedy]

I was simply asking a question.

I was in no way referring to you bud. I was just speaking in a general sense.

 

[Russ Smith]

This may be a bit off topic, but....

Eh, i'm on coumadin also and the easiest thing for a doctor to say is "NEVER DRINK ALCOHOL when you're on coumadin, it thins the blood more!" - which is true and protects them from liability. And what do they care of the effect on your lifestyle? But i've got my own test equipment and i know that alcohol has a pretty mild effect on my INR... so even when i'm on a pub crawl and drinking all day, i just reduce my dose a bit that night.

Some doctors will also tell you "NEVER EAT SPINACH or other foods containing high levels of vitamin K - they thicken your blood!" Yep, same thing. If i eat a huge spinach salad every day, sure it has a mild effect on my INR. But i just take a little extra coumadin, and i'm fine. Or just drink more.

Now granted, i merely have a slightly elevated chance of developing a blood clot. And they don't develop overnight, so if my INR is a little low for a few days, no biggie. Your girlfriend and others might have some reason to keep INR in an extremely narrow range. Or people whose condition requires them to have an extremely high INR might really not want to ever let it get any higher. Guess i'm fortunate that i can adjust my dose to my lifestyle and not have it affect me much.

Also, some doctors will say, "DON'T EVER ENGAGE IN A CONTACT SPORT WHILE ON COUMADIN!" But (a) players don't often get injured in the NFL such that they have severe bleeding, (b) if they do, they're surrounded by expert medical personnel who are familiar with their condition, and (c) coumadin can be counter-acted. I still bike, ski, ride my motorcycle, and play roller hockey. If i could make millions of dollars playing football, i would not let coumadin therapy stop me.

Then again, i wouldn't risk lives, arrest, and my career by drinking and driving, either!

...dave

Depends what he takes but remember the NBA won't let Chris Bosh play now because he's on blood thinners so I would not be at all surprised if the NFL has similar rules because of insurance and health concern reasons.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Thank you Finito. Seems there are way too many hardass key board warrior people who never seemingly fell on difficult times on this board.

Or they have gone through a lot of tough times, and have found time and time again, the real world doesn't care about yours, mine, or anyone else's problems.

Again, Floyd is in a place 99% of people don't get to be in, he has all the support a person could possibly ask for. And while his fame spotlights his screw us, it is the same fame that gives him access to people that will give him sympathy (a sympathy 99% of people will never get), and access to top of the line programs to help him.

Shaming people for giving their opinion based on the environment they are living in, is ridiculous. So on this board talk like throughout all their hard times they have had people come take sympathy on them, and they got every bit of support they needed.

In my experience, and in many other's experiences, when hard times come there are only two things that happen: 1. You are told you are responsible for your actions, words, and problems, no one else is, REGARDLESS of what reasons and excuses are brought to the table, its your life, your problem, and 2. To go deal with your own problems, the world doesn't owe you anything, and that includes sympathy. Again, your problem, you fix it, and if you don't think you can deal with the problem ? Tough. Figure it out.

Call it any name you want, call people keyboard warriors, etc., etc. That is the reality I have lived in and many others like me. If you don't like it, well, I do not know what to tell you. We are the product of the environment around us.

Thus I do in fact feel bad for the guy on a personal level. Yet, as a fan, no excuse for his actions, and could care less about his "problems", he has a job to do, and is not getting it done. The rest of society gets fired, and Floyd is getting treated like the rest of us. Again, that is the harsh reality of life.

On a personal level, I hope Floyd gets the help he needs, again, through the Cardinals and the NFL he has access to support that few in the world get. But, again, that lands on Floyd. He has to make the decisions to solve his problems, and I hope he does. If he doesn't make all the excuses you want, but in the end, it will fall on him.

Floyd is being held accountable for his actions, just like anyone else. If he has personal issues causing these problems, then I am sorry to hear it, but there are people everyday that have the same issues and do not get: sympathy, support, and do not have access to the programs he has access to right now.

People holding others accountable in the real world just as they are asked to be accountable for themselves is completely fair and understandable in my book.

It may sound harsh, brutish, cold, and cold-throat, but that is the reality of the world. I know Disney doesn't show it like that on TV, but that is TV.

I understand what you are saying, and I am sorry to rant, but it is strange that people get called out for "not knowing what said person has gone through" and yet, cannot seem to see it the same way on why others are commenting on this topic. Meaning, I state what I state above based on what I have personally gone through myself, I may not be a celebrity football player, but that doesn't take away from how my experiences have shaped my opinion on things.

The original thread on this topic, that is now in P&R goes, over, and over this situation. Each person has a different take based on what they have seen in their lives. It ranged from trying to save people from themselves, and doing all you can, even if the person at fault doesn't want it that way, to save them, to saying that Floyd should be thrown out with the trash.

It is not cut and dry that is fore sure. Just got tired of people ripping on others for having an opinion that states that his is Floyd's problem to deal with and no one else. That is a VERY valid stance, in my opinion, and you do not have to look far to see where a support of Floyd in this instance will be quick to tell another person, with a different problem, that his problem is his own to deal with.

PS - These thoughts are not from a keyboard, they are from life. I have had issues just like everyone else, and in the end, no one cared, and I had to deal with them no matter what the cause, excuse or reason. And that is NOT a complaint, it is the way things are, and I am comfortable with things being that way. The help Floyd is getting, I would never expect to get it, I would never expect you to get it, or anyone else to get it and feel Floyd should be very, very thankful he is getting any type of support.

In the end if Floyd is able to conquer this demon, then who cares why or how, just as long as he gets healthy.

 

[speedy]

Or they have gone through a lot of tough times, and have found time and time again, the real world doesn't care about yours, mine, or anyone else's problems.

Again, Floyd is in a place 99% of people don't get to be in, he has all the support a person could possibly ask for. And while his fame spotlights his screw us, it is the same fame that gives him access to people that will give him sympathy (a sympathy 99% of people will never get), and access to top of the line programs to help him.

Shaming people for giving their opinion based on the environment they are living in, is ridiculous. So on this board talk like throughout all their hard times they have had people come take sympathy on them, and they got every bit of support they needed.

In my experience, and in many other's experiences, when hard times come there are only two things that happen: 1. You are told you are responsible for your actions, words, and problems, no one else is, REGARDLESS of what reasons and excuses are brought to the table, its your life, your problem, and 2. To go deal with your own problems, the world doesn't owe you anything, and that includes sympathy. Again, your problem, you fix it, and if you don't think you can deal with the problem ? Tough. Figure it out.

Call it any name you want, call people keyboard warriors, etc., etc. That is the reality I have lived in and many others like me. If you don't like it, well, I do not know what to tell you. We are the product of the environment around us.

Thus I do in fact feel bad for the guy on a personal level. Yet, as a fan, no excuse for his actions, and could care less about his "problems", he has a job to do, and is not getting it done. The rest of society gets fired, and Floyd is getting treated like the rest of us. Again, that is the harsh reality of life.

On a personal level, I hope Floyd gets the help he needs, again, through the Cardinals and the NFL he has access to support that few in the world get. But, again, that lands on Floyd. He has to make the decisions to solve his problems, and I hope he does. If he doesn't make all the excuses you want, but in the end, it will fall on him.

Floyd is being held accountable for his actions, just like anyone else. If he has personal issues causing these problems, then I am sorry to hear it, but there are people everyday that have the same issues and do not get: sympathy, support, and do not have access to the programs he has access to right now.

People holding others accountable in the real world just as they are asked to be accountable for themselves is completely fair and understandable in my book.

It may sound harsh, brutish, cold, and cold-throat, but that is the reality of the world. I know Disney doesn't show it like that on TV, but that is TV.

I understand what you are saying, and I am sorry to rant, but it is strange that people get called out for "not knowing what said person has gone through" and yet, cannot seem to see it the same way on why others are commenting on this topic. Meaning, I state what I state above based on what I have personally gone through myself, I may not be a celebrity football player, but that doesn't take away from how my experiences have shaped my opinion on things.

The original thread on this topic, that is now in P&R goes, over, and over this situation. Each person has a different take based on what they have seen in their lives. It ranged from trying to save people from themselves, and doing all you can, even if the person at fault doesn't want it that way, to save them, to saying that Floyd should be thrown out with the trash.

It is not cut and dry that is fore sure. Just got tired of people ripping on others for having an opinion that states that his is Floyd's problem to deal with and no one else. That is a VERY valid stance, in my opinion, and you do not have to look far to see where a support of Floyd in this instance will be quick to tell another person, with a different problem, that his problem is his own to deal with.

PS - These thoughts are not from a keyboard, they are from life. I have had issues just like everyone else, and in the end, no one cared, and I had to deal with them no matter what the cause, excuse or reason. And that is NOT a complaint, it is the way things are, and I am comfortable with things being that way. The help Floyd is getting, I would never expect to get it, I would never expect you to get it, or anyone else to get it and feel Floyd should be very, very thankful he is getting any type of support.

In the end if Floyd is able to conquer this demon, then who cares why or how, just as long as he gets healthy.

Thanks for the reply. I do see your point, and sympathize with it. I understand the real world, and I do believe everyone is accountable for their actions. I'm a military vet, a firefighter/paramedic, a member of a SWAT team, and still contract for the USG; I didn't accomplish the achievements of my past or get where I am today through whining, bitching, and making excuses, but rather a great deal fortitude, perseverance, and accountability.

At the same time, I have experienced a lot of addiction in my life; some close family members and others were close friends and teammates. I've watched some of these people F up and get kicked off the team, out of the military, or fired for actions related to their unchecked addiction. Even if it was disappointing to see a fellow brother get bounced, I was ok with it because of the "consequences for your actions" rule highly disciplined teams, units, and many other places in life, mandate. You F'd up, now you're gonna pay up.

Then I became proactive in a family members rehab and recovery. I had a lot of critiques for this individual, based on the way I looked at life, what made me successful. They told me I didn't understand their issues, and even blamed me for some of them, and had some really mean, unloving, and nasty things to say to me for essentially "making" them go to rehab. I participated where I could, made a lot of phone calls to people I knew had various professional experiences in recovery/rehab/treatment, and did a lot of research on the topic.

What I learned is that people in these predicaments are either incapable, or highly handicapped in making "good decisions." There is an pathophysiology behind it that is widely accepted in the medical community. I initially had grave difficulty accepting this, only relying on my experiences in life: "Dude, just know when to call it a night... Just slow it down; take an hour break and go with water... Just take a week with no alcohol... Hung over or not, you gotta wake up and get to stuff done..." None of that resonates with an addict. Their disease inhibits their ability to function like someone with out the disease. I can drink 6-8 beers, have a couple shots, and not fall over, piss myself, or pass out in old town scottsdale. The addict can't stop until they do one of the above. They just can't. It was a hard fact for me to realize (I was accused of being black and white, hardass, etc).

I wasn't a believer until I sat back and watched this persons recovery. Once I accepted/bought into the disease process, the recovery went much smoother, and I was able to be an integral (and constructive) part of it.

I know MF has to face the consequences, and I believe he absolutely should pay the piper (it will be part of his recovery). But to chalk it up as don't feel bad/he has all the resources in the world misses the point. MF has millions and a ton of resources at his disposal, but he is incapable of making any sound decision because he is sick. He is no better than some bum sleeping behind the liquor store, and this slices both ways; he is just as sick and incapable.

I think if more people understood the disease, understood what treatment is, they'd understand that MF could recover still be a productive member of the cardinals.

But, the only person that can make that happen is MF. He has to hit rock bottom and have the desire to get help.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

I once saw a giraffe.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Thanks for the reply. I do see your point, and sympathize with it. I understand the real world, and I do believe everyone is accountable for their actions. I'm a military vet, a firefighter/paramedic, a member of a SWAT team, and still contract for the USG; I didn't accomplish the achievements of my past or get where I am today through whining, bitching, and making excuses, but rather a great deal fortitude, perseverance, and accountability.

At the same time, I have experienced a lot of addiction in my life; some close family members and others were close friends and teammates. I've watched some of these people F up and get kicked off the team, out of the military, or fired for actions related to their unchecked addiction. Even if it was disappointing to see a fellow brother get bounced, I was ok with it because of the "consequences for your actions" rule highly disciplined teams, units, and many other places in life, mandate. You F'd up, now you're gonna pay up.

Then I became proactive in a family members rehab and recovery. I had a lot of critiques for this individual, based on the way I looked at life, what made me successful. They told me I didn't understand their issues, and even blamed me for some of them, and had some really mean, unloving, and nasty things to say to me for essentially "making" them go to rehab. I participated where I could, made a lot of phone calls to people I knew had various professional experiences in recovery/rehab/treatment, and did a lot of research on the topic.

What I learned is that people in these predicaments are either incapable, or highly handicapped in making "good decisions." There is an pathophysiology behind it that is widely accepted in the medical community. I initially had grave difficulty accepting this, only relying on my experiences in life: "Dude, just know when to call it a night... Just slow it down; take an hour break and go with water... Just take a week with no alcohol... Hung over or not, you gotta wake up and get to stuff done..." None of that resonates with an addict. Their disease inhibits their ability to function like someone with out the disease. I can drink 6-8 beers, have a couple shots, and not fall over, piss myself, or pass out in old town scottsdale. The addict can't stop until they do one of the above. They just can't. It was a hard fact for me to realize (I was accused of being black and white, hardass, etc).

I wasn't a believer until I sat back and watched this persons recovery. Once I accepted/bought into the disease process, the recovery went much smoother, and I was able to be an integral (and constructive) part of it.

I know MF has to face the consequences, and I believe he absolutely should pay the piper (it will be part of his recovery). But to chalk it up as don't feel bad/he has all the resources in the world misses the point. MF has millions and a ton of resources at his disposal, but he is incapable of making any sound decision because he is sick. He is no better than some bum sleeping behind the liquor store, and this slices both ways; he is just as sick and incapable.

I think if more people understood the disease, understood what treatment is, they'd understand that MF could recover still be a productive member of the cardinals.

But, the only person that can make that happen is MF. He has to hit rock bottom and have the desire to get help.

All I can say to that, is I tip my cap to your sir. That is thankless work that you do.

I agree that a lot of people need a better understanding of the situation, but I also think there are a number of people that fully understand the situation, and still don't find the need to help someone with their issue, even if they are sick, right or wrong, and I will leave it at that.

Yet, I certainly commend people like yourself, and my parents who give their time and resources to help humanity in general. Again, it is thankless work, in my opinion, thus is it commendable for any time given towards it.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I once saw a giraffe.

We need a poll on how many people have seen one.

 

[daves]

Depends what he takes but remember the NBA won't let Chris Bosh play now because he's on blood thinners so I would not be at all surprised if the NFL has similar rules because of insurance and health concern reasons.

Interesting - I was not aware of that. If his INR needs to be kept really high, i can understand why the league would prohibit a player from playing to shield themselves from liability (and a potentially ugly and dangerous incident for the player). Certainly everyone on blood thinners is not in the same boat. My point was merely that being on blood thinners is not automatically incompatible with drinking alcohol.

Neither is it an excuse for being passed out in your car in the middle of the road!

...dave

 

[Russ Smith]

Interesting - I was not aware of that. If his INR needs to be kept really high, i can understand why the league would prohibit a player from playing to shield themselves from liability (and a potentially ugly and dangerous incident for the player). Certainly everyone on blood thinners is not in the same boat. My point was merely that being on blood thinners is not automatically incompatible with drinking alcohol.

Neither is it an excuse for being passed out in your car in the middle of the road!

...dave

Yep and I fully admit my entire knowledge of it is based on my girlfriend. Her INR is supposed to be between 2.5 and 3.5. Like you she has a home test kit so we don't have to do the blood draw every other week anymore. She can't drink alcohol(neither of us do anyways) and she will often use green tea or tomato juice to regulate her own INR instead of changing the dosage of coumadin.

Nobody seems to have mentioned it at all with Floyd they're so focused on the DUI and now the release nobody seems to be wondering about that.