Quick hit: 2 picks in round 1

[vince56]

Damn!! Why couldn't we have had two picks in round 1 of the 2004 draft instead of the 2003 draft. I know we wouldn't have top ten, but damn it would be sweet to have Roethlisberger throwing to Boldin and Fitzgerald instead of having Johnson and Pace share the bench together.

 

[dogpoo32]

Damn!! Why couldn't we have had two picks in round 1 of the 2004 draft instead of the 2003 draft. I know we wouldn't have top ten, but damn it would be sweet to have Roethlisberger throwing to Boldin and Fitzgerald instead of having Johnson and Pace share the bench together.

Its the Cardinal way. Something about a curse. Would be nice to have Rothlesburger, but I don't think he'd have the kind of success he's having with any other team. This is obvious now that the Steelers are in the SB. Would be nice to have a QBOF though.

 

[football karma]

As "misses" go, ending up with Fitz is about a good a draft miss as one could hope for

Four other teams had a shot at Ben R that really could have used him: Oakland, Washington, Cleveland and Detroit.

If you are Card fan kicking yourself for passing on Ben -- imagine being Oakland and passing on Ben AND Fitz and having Robery Gallery as your prize.

 

[Scott MS]

I don't get too upset when I realize we selected a Pro Bowl receiver. If we picked a Pro Bowler with every first round pick, we'd be in the Super Bowl.

Considering that Fitzgerald was the first Pro Bowler among all the Cards first round picks since David Boston and Simeon Rice, is amazing. Anquan was 2nd round, and both Berry and Rackers were selected by other teams.


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[CardinalLaw]

Well first of all Fitz was what the 3rd pick overall. Ben the 7th. I highly doubt they would fall to the 17 and 18th pick overall, like 2003.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Damn!! Why couldn't we have had two picks in round 1 of the 2004 draft instead of the 2003 draft. I know we wouldn't have top ten, but damn it would be sweet to have Roethlisberger throwing to Boldin and Fitzgerald instead of having Johnson and Pace share the bench together.

We didn't need 2 picks.All we had to do is pick Leftwich and have him throwing to Boldin and Fitz.

 

[CardinalLaw]

We didn't need 2 picks.All we had to do is pick Leftwich and have him throwing to Boldin and Fitz.

Yeah we would be so good then. Lefty sucks!!!!!

McCownLeftwhich

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Yeah we would be so good then. Lefty sucks!!!!!

McCownLeftwhich

 

[Zeno]

Yeah we would be so good then. Lefty sucks!!!!!

McCownLeftwhich

Are you serious? Talk about someone not having an eye for talent.

 

[vince56]

We didn't need 2 picks.All we had to do is pick Leftwich and have him throwing to Boldin and Fitz.

I agree. Everyone on this message board had it right. We were all arguing Leftwich vs Suggs, then Cardinal management picks neither.

They did get really lucky with the Boldin pick, and hindsight being 20/20 I think Boldin would've been a top 5 pick had the scouts known what he was really capable of.

 

[Redsz]

Yeah we would be so good then. Lefty sucks!!!!!

McCownLeftwhich

Gotta agree. I still don't get the fuss about Lefty. He has put up average numbers and the concerns about him being brittle at the pro level have been proven to be totally true.

 

[spanky1]

Missing out on Leftwich was no big deal.......Roethlisberger is a different story however. I'm not too disappointed in the final outcome, LF is a hell of a player.

Watching Carolina last night demonstrated why teams need two premium WR's. Steve Smith was rendered completly ineffective without the option of a 2nd WR, given that they also had no running game after Foster and Goings were knocked out.

We'll get our QBOF this year.

 

[BACH]

I agree. Everyone on this message board had it right. We were all arguing Leftwich vs Suggs, then Cardinal management picks neither.

They did get really lucky with the Boldin pick, and hindsight being 20/20 I think Boldin would've been a top 5 pick had the scouts known what he was really capable of.

Nothing personal, Vince, but this is just the a very, very stupid remark.

The Cards' scout are incompetent for not selecting Suggs or Leftwich AND selecting Boldin was pure luck. It had nothing to do with the ability to scout players - just pure luck....

 

[Pariah]

but I don't think he'd have the kind of success he's having with any other team. This is obvious now that the Steelers are in the SB. Would be nice to have a QBOF though.

Of course he wouldn't. But that's not the point--the point is that we would have been set at QB.

 

[Duckjake]

Nothing personal, Vince, but this is just the a very, very stupid remark.

The Cards' scout are incompetent for not selecting Suggs or Leftwich AND selecting Boldin was pure luck. It had nothing to do with the ability to scout players - just pure luck....

You could make a very good case for the Boldin selection being lucky simply by listing all the other draft picks in the 4 years prior to taking the Q.

With Second round selections like Levar Fisher,Michael Stone,Ray Thompson and Johnny Rutledge you have to wonder what happened in 2003 that the Cards actually made a great call in round 2.

Between Tim McDonald in 1987 and Boldin in 2003 you had Frank Sanders,Jake Plummer, and???????

 

[john h]

As "misses" go, ending up with Fitz is about a good a draft miss as one could hope for

Four other teams had a shot at Ben R that really could have used him: Oakland, Washington, Cleveland and Detroit.

If you are Card fan kicking yourself for passing on Ben -- imagine being Oakland and passing on Ben AND Fitz and having Robery Gallery as your prize.

This is why many think Pittsburg has the best talent evaluators in the NFL. Look at that TE they drafted this year. Is he a pro bowler? He could be?

 

[CronosCard]

"..And in this corner.."

Pittsburg always gets defensive studs, athletes they then change position for 4 the team, late round steals...!!! It's happened so many Fricken times its expected now of them.. How have they set up their scouting department that makes them the BEST in the NFL atfinding the diamonds in the piles of rock? Is it all on Cowher? Also, they are very intelligent in undrafted FA and Free Agency, having picked up at least 2 Cards DB's in the past few years the Cards gave up on, who then enjoyed what Pittsburg's Success was all about.. If I were the Cards, I would shadow their main scouts, and learn the way they "do business" Another Team in this category, though not as accomplished in all areas, is NE.. C'mon Cards get some Larceny in your hearts!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BigDavis75]

Wow.........Leftwich isn't that good. He is a chronic nagging injury guy who has showed little imporvement over a number of years. Then when he finally gets to the Playoffs he lays an egg. He is better than McCown but there are a ton of better Qbs in the NFL, including Gerrard.

 

[vince56]

Nothing personal, Vince, but this is just the a very, very stupid remark.

The Cards' scout are incompetent for not selecting Suggs or Leftwich AND selecting Boldin was pure luck. It had nothing to do with the ability to scout players - just pure luck....

Thanks for calling me stupid. Now name another player from that cardinal draft class besides Boldin who's amounted to anything. Thanks.

 

[vince56]

Here's your McGinnis era of drafting. It's moronic at best. I'm gonna argue there's only been four players in four straight years that have amounted to anything for the Cardinals. I include Hill in this because he was a find for a late round pick, even though he's not with us anymore. So you tell me, what is that, maybe 29 wasted draft picks? Even if you think fringe guys like Raynoch and McCown developed for us, you can clearly see our scouts and draft decisions during this era were really really bad. I think that's more than enough proof that they got pretty lucky with the Boldin pick, don't you?

2000
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 7 Thomas Jones RB Virginia
2 41 Raynoch Thompson OLB Tennessee
3 71 Darwin Walker DT Tennessee
4 102 David Barrett CB Arkansas
5 136 Mao Tosi DT Idaho
5 164 Jay Tant TE Northwestern
6 176 Jabari Issa DE Washington
7 215 Sekou Sanyika OLB California

2001
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 2 Leonard Davis T Texas
2 34 Kyle Vanden Bosch DE Nebraska
2 54 Michael Stone SS Memphis
3 64 Adrian Wilson SS North Carolina State
4 98 Bill Gramatica K South Florida
4 123 Marcus Bell DT Memphis
5 133 Mario Fatafehi DT Kansas State
6 166 Bobby Newcombe WR Nebraska
7 202 Renaldo Hill CB Michigan State
7 246 Tevita Ofahengaue TE Brigham Young

2002
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 12 Wendell Bryant DT Wisconsin
2 49 Levar Fisher OLB North Carolina State
3 81 Josh McCown QB Sam Houston State
3 98 Dennis Johnson DE Kentucky
4 113 Nate Dwyer DT Kansas
5 149 Jason McAddley WR Alabama
6 185 Josh Scobey RB Kansas State
7 223 Mike Banks TE Iowa State

2003
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 17 Bryant Johnson WR Penn State
1 18 Calvin Pace DE Wake Forest
2 54 Anquan Boldin WR Florida State
3 70 Gerald Hayes MLB Pittsburgh
5 141 Kenny King DE Alabama
6 177 Reggie Wells G Clarion, Pa.
6 210 Tony Gilbert MLB Georgia

 

[golfcardfan]

Everyone needs to forget about Rothlisberger he would have never EVER had the success here that he has had in Pitt. They were and always have been a hell of a team always a great running game and a punishing defense. His first year he did not win games for them, this year he has had some success but he is surrounded by a great great team. He may have gotten killed here with our Oline. We are not far away from being a good team we lost a lot of close ones this year. If we fix the oline and running game we could have won 10 games. So lets hope the cards fix this no running game problem. QB can be worried about later sign warner draft a young one not in round 1 and let warner groom him.

 

[vince56]

Everyone needs to forget about Rothlisberger he would have never EVER had the success here that he has had in Pitt. They were and always have been a hell of a team always a great running game and a punishing defense.

So, let's extend your model out to all players, all teams. Basically, you're saying we shouldn't draft good players, because they won't play as well here as they do somewhere else. This is basically what you're saying...

Everyone needs to forget about good players. They would have never EVER had the success here that they had somewhere else. There were and always have been great teams, always a great running game and punishing defenses.

You're right, the Cardinals should never draft good players, because they're not as likely to have success here as if they were drafted by a better team.

 

[Pariah]

Everyone needs to forget about Rothlisberger he would have never EVER had the success here that he has had in Pitt.

You're right on a couple of counts--A) we need to forget about Roethlisberger, and B)He wouldn't have had the same early success here in AZ.

But, that's not to say we shouldn't have drafted him--we should have. We can't jump in the wayback machine and have a do-over. So, we need to forget about him.

There is NO WAY he'd be 28-3 in Arizona or whatever ungodly W-L record he has as a SECOND YEAR QB. No way would he have taken us to the NFC Championship last year and the Super Bowl this year. No way would he reach those milesstones so early in his career. But, it's hard to deny that he's a special player. It's hard to deny that every team with a legitimate shot at beating the Steelers goes in with this game plan: "Make Ben beat us." That means they take away the run game. And you know what? Ben's beaten them.

Roethlisberger would have made the Cardinals better. Maybe not last year. Maybe not even this year. But down the line when we could have built the team around him? Yeah, I think he would have made the Cardinals one helluva lot better.

I love having Fitz on the team. He's arguably the best consolation prize in that whole draft.

 

[BigDavis75]

Everyone needs to forget about Rothlisberger he would have never EVER had the success here that he has had in Pitt. They were and always have been a hell of a team always a great running game and a punishing defense. His first year he did not win games for them, this year he has had some success but he is surrounded by a great great team. He may have gotten killed here with our Oline. We are not far away from being a good team we lost a lot of close ones this year. If we fix the oline and running game we could have won 10 games. So lets hope the cards fix this no running game problem. QB can be worried about later sign warner draft a young one not in round 1 and let warner groom him.

Ben has ALWAYS been able to get points for the Steelers when they needed it. He is 2nd best in the league in crunch time and at this point I don't think I would put anyone ahead of him. When he was a rook he did it against DAL and JAX off the top of my head.

 

[CardinalChris]

You could make a very good case for the Boldin selection being lucky simply by listing all the other draft picks in the 4 years prior to taking the Q.

With Second round selections like Levar Fisher,Michael Stone,Ray Thompson and Johnny Rutledge you have to wonder what happened in 2003 that the Cards actually made a great call in round 2.

Between Tim McDonald in 1987 and Boldin in 2003 you had Frank Sanders,Jake Plummer, and???????

Isn't 2003 Grave's first draft? May have something to do with the descrepency between 2003-present and the previous Ferguson years.