Quick Reactions - Preseason Game 2

[RON_IN_OC]

Yeah, he definitely stood tall in the pocket on his TD pass.

He was in the collapsing pocket on his TD to Sherfield...and even on his 1st down scramble, it was up through the pocket, after the defense broke contain.



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[MadCardDisease]

Penalties were crazy. Vanilla defense by the Raiders I think not. They were blitzing double gap and from the outside.

We huddled EVERY play. Not once did we go up tempo. I think we really do have a plan on offense. Defense? Yikes.

Yeah it's hard to see what the Cardinals new offense will look like without seeing the up tempo (Murray-Up Offense™) that is an integral part of the Air Raid offense. We won't know for sure until week one against the Lions.

 

[MadCardDisease]

He's not a statue, but Hundley is showing how successful a QB can be in the Air Raid, staying in the pocket.

I don't think we have seen the true Air Raid offense yet.

 

[az jam]

And yet year after year it never gets addressed, it's baffling that the OL never ever gets better

Keim keeps signing free agents that have a history of injuries. Additionally, he has never drafted well on offensive linemen.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

And yet year after year it never gets addressed, it's baffling that the OL never ever gets better

That’s not accurate. It does get addressed. Just poorly. Spent first round picks on Humphries and Cooper. Mediocre injured guy and bust. Spent mid round picks on guys like boehm and cole. Spent lye round picks on guys like Cunningham. Spent free agent dollars on Pugh, sweezy, and Gilbert. The problem is Keim and his staff just don’t seem to have an eye for talent or are okay with constantly injured dudes.

 

[kerouac9]

Yeah it's hard to see what the Cardinals new offense will look like without seeing the up tempo (Murray-Up Offense™) that is an integral part of the Air Raid offense. We won't know for sure until week one against the Lions.

I think the vertical element is the real thing that's missing. Running the hurry up in the current configuration just ensures that the defense comes back on the field sooner.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I know what it is & it isn’t a good one.

Not true. It’s a valid point. If the oline could buy time the offense could work.

 

[Arz101]

Hundley is not an answer for any question.

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[MadCardDisease]

I think the vertical element is the real thing that's missing. Running the hurry up in the current configuration just ensures that the defense comes back on the field sooner.

I really don't think we have seen anything as to what this offense will look like in the regular season. Not sure if the outcome changes but it's hard to get a good feel for this offense as of yet with so much kept under wraps.

 

[Arz101]

I really don't think we have seen anything as to what this offense will look like in the regular season. Not sure if the outcome changes but it's hard to get a good feel for this offense as of yet with so much kept under wraps.

There is no evidence Cardinals offense is hiding anything major. It is just a prayer right now.

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[MadCardDisease]

There is no evidence Cardinals offense is hiding anything major. It is just a prayer right now.

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The fact that we haven't seen the Air Raid style offense yet or the fact that the offensive players and head coach have come out and said this isn't the offense you will see in week one isn't evidence?

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

The fact that we haven't seen the Air Raid style offense yet or the fact that the offensive players and head coach have come out and said this isn't the offense you will see in week one isn't evidence?

People will grab at anything to maintain their doom and gloom perspective. Of course the are things to be concerned about (Alford's injury for starters), but the truth is we won't fully know what this team will be until we have seen it play some real games.

 

[Garthshort]

TJ, if the OL is going to have a hard time opening up running lanes, how is Chase Edmonds going to be sneaky good?

 

[BigRedRage]

David Johnson 1000/1000 season is in jeopardy.

 

[Hoodhero]

The most ironic thing of boxscore yesterday is Cards still ended up with more 1 more yard than Raiders.

 

[Arz101]

The fact that we haven't seen the Air Raid style offense yet or the fact that the offensive players and head coach have come out and said this isn't the offense you will see in week one isn't evidence?

They said what they said.

NFL has limited practice windows. 50% of it is likely open to public during training camps. So how much of it can they hide?

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

The only thing that gives me a little bit of hope is that if the Cardinals play an up tempo no huddle offense with a lot of quick hits, the pass rush will be slowed down substantially. What we saw last night was extremely slooooow football and the defense was just teeing off on the clap. Our OL can't stand up to that and hopefully we don't see it a lot during the season.

I'm much more worried about the defense than the offense. They will be fine.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

They said what they said.

NFL has limited practice windows. 50% of it is likely open to public during training camps. So how much of it can they hide?

How long has it been since we have seen any real video of their practices? We haven't seen much of anything since the 3rd day of training camp or so and even those videos have been taken down. I suspect there could be quite a bit that they haven't shown in games. They have clearly been cracking down on fans recording video at those practices

 

[Arz101]

How long has it been since we have seen any real video of their practices? We haven't seen much of anything since the 3rd day of training camp or so and even those videos have been taken down. I suspect there could be quite a bit that they haven't shown in games. They have clearly been cracking down on fans recording video at those practices

Are we talking about Hong Kong or Cardinals practices?

 

[kerouac9]

https://deadspin.com/kyler-murrays-snap-clap-might-be-a-problem-1837299279

Interesting article.

 

[kerouac9]

How long has it been since we have seen any real video of their practices? We haven't seen much of anything since the 3rd day of training camp or so and even those videos have been taken down. I suspect there could be quite a bit that they haven't shown in games. They have clearly been cracking down on fans recording video at those practices

Okay, but media are there for every practice; if there was something truly revolutionary that's going on, it would have gotten out.

Football is still football. You practice what you play. Otherwise they're just playing grab-ass out there.

I think there are RPOs and deeper route combinations that aren't getting shown out there, but all of those are built on the idea that you can complete short passes horizontally across the field and start to pull up the secondary. We haven't shown that we can do that.

 

[BigRedRage]

Few things. #1, I'm not impressed with this "Air Raid" offense so far. Nothing air raid about 5 yard dump passes. They did nothing to open things up. He threw 1 deep ball in 2 appearances.

#2, something that really bothered me. After the bogus OPI, we were in a 3rd and long and Kingsbury channeled his inner Wilks and simply ran up the middle waving a white flag. It's pre-season. If you're not going to try some tricky stuff now, you're not going to later.

And #3, as bad as the 1st quarter was, we had 2 big plays called back. Don't know what impact that might have had but penalties had us back on our heels the entire time. But it doesn't excuse that Murray stunk up the joint last night.

If this is what's to come, we're in big trouble.


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Two deep balls I remember last night, one to kirk and one to fitz. Unless you mean 25+ yards as a deep ball

 

[BigRedRage]

we need to run the opposite of a hurry up to keep this D off of the field.

 

[Hoodhero]

Are we talking about Hong Kong or Cardinals practices?

Cardinals been cracking down on video all this preseason. Do a Google search & see how much videos you can find from last 2 weeks of practice? Posters got threatened with legal bs or to be banned from stadium.

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

Okay, but media are there for every practice; if there was something truly revolutionary that's going on, it would have gotten out.

Football is still football. You practice what you play. Otherwise they're just playing grab-ass out there.

I think there are RPOs and deeper route combinations that aren't getting shown out there, but all of those are built on the idea that you can complete short passes horizontally across the field and start to pull up the secondary. We haven't shown that we can do that.

I thought we did show that in the first game. 6/7 short and horizontal completions before that drive was killed by a dumb penalty on K Johnson and a snap count issue with the clap. Last nights drives were crushed by penalties and snap issues all around.

Murray was not sharp by any means but the penalties and snap count/clap issues are killing any chance at getting into a rhythm and having successful drives.