Raiders Mistake; Graves Pounces.

[red desert]

he has every right to be jealous..just check out these scouting reports on Moses

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/p...rospect_ID=713

http://www.newerascouting.com/index.php?c=31&a=97

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...php?pyid=10666

He sure as hell sounds like a Gaines Adams clone to me. I'm excited about this guy.

 

[red desert]

RG might not be the greatest GM, but if he turns out to be the luckiest, we will be smiling all the way to the SB.

I can live with that.

 

[Goldfield]

If Graves found a talented player from nowhere I would call it a gem.

Claiming a talented rookie with somewhat of a big name in a position of need, is more of a no brainer to me.

Still it seems like a good move.

 

[devilalum]

http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_6790877

 

[Russ Smith]

The local paper I get had nothing on this being a mistake they said that the 5th rounder had outplayed Moses and while they thought he had a chance to be a player, it just showed the talent the Raiders have on defense.

I have to admit the mistake sounds a lot more logical because I didn't hear a thing during camp suggesting Moses was going to get cut.

 

[JeffGollin]

I don't recall Moses playing a single down for us yet.

Praising or blasting RG for this move is just a tad premature.

The move looks good "on paper" (just like the drafting of Davis). And, oh yeah, when we drafted Buster in the 3rd round, I don't recall many cries of outrage at the time - a large majority of fans seemed to be favorably excited about the pick.

We all like to consider ourselves "football soothsayers", and then the Football Gods invariably do something to humble us.

 

[conraddobler]

I don't recall Moses playing a single down for us yet.

Praising or blasting RG for this move is just a tad premature.

The move looks good "on paper" (just like the drafting of Davis). And, oh yeah, when we drafted Buster in the 3rd round, I don't recall many cries of outrage at the time - a large majority of fans seemed to be favorably excited about the pick.

We all like to consider ourselves "football soothsayers", and then the Football Gods invariably do something to humble us.

True enough, however I don't know about you but I've yet to see one thin dime from the Cardinals for any of my thoughts on this.

Rod Graves however get's more than a few dimes to figure this stuff out.

I don't question too many moves in isolation, I think if this new guy works out it's major plus for him, Buster on the other hand was only one player and mistakes can be made.

The problem I have with Graves goes way deeper than anyone player or season.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

And I fail to see why some can only slam him and not recognize that some of his moves are good.

Not ready to crown his ass yet but this was a good move it appears

agree . . . this was a good move. earth shattering? deserving of heaping praise? no. but a good move. he has potential. let's see if the cards can unlock it. he came into his junior year with a ton of hype and underachieved.

also agree with chicken, mistakes like that just don't happen at the pro level.

 

[football karma]

agree . . . this was a good move. earth shattering? deserving of heaping praise? no. but a good move. he has potential. let's see if the cards can unlock it. he came into his junior year with a ton of hype and underachieved.

also agree with chicken, mistakes like that just don't happen at the pro level.

yeah-- the "clerical error" theory sounds fun but seems unlikely

what I find far more likely -- is that Lane just got a list from Al on who was being cut, and much to Lane's chagrin, Quentin was gone -- justified or not

 

[red desert]

We all like to consider ourselves "football soothsayers", and then the Football Gods invariably do something to humble us.

I don't know about that. Not if you post on this board to for fun, and to vent. No humbling there.

Some folks, however, do seem to post their thoughts to somehow legit their football knowledge or their Cardinal loyalty. Whatever works I guess.

 

[Cheesebeef]

agree . . . this was a good move. earth shattering? deserving of heaping praise? no. but a good move. he has potential. let's see if the cards can unlock it. he came into his junior year with a ton of hype and underachieved.

also agree with chicken, mistakes like that just don't happen at the pro level.

agreed.

 

[40yearfan]

agree . . . this was a good move. earth shattering? deserving of heaping praise? no. but a good move. he has potential. let's see if the cards can unlock it. he came into his junior year with a ton of hype and underachieved.

also agree with chicken, mistakes like that just don't happen at the pro level.

agreed.

;physcomusicinbackground:

 

[Renz]

also agree with chicken, mistakes like that just don't happen at the pro level.

Huh? Terrel Owens's agent didn't file his paperwork on time so he couldn't become a free agent. Hence he was traded to Philly instead.

The Eagles paid Bryan Westbrook his $3 million bonus twice.

Whenever you mix human beings and technology you will get mistakes like these. I think the Oakland/Moses SNAFU scenario is completely plausible.

 

[ny redbird]

We got Corey Sears in almost exactly the same manner a few years ago from the Rams. And, he didn't exactly set the world on fire. Now, I think Moses has more upside than Sears did. But, it's too early to call it a "score". I'm glad we claimed him though.

i believe corey sears was acquired in 1999. I remember seeing him on the sidelines on opening day in Philly

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Huh? Terrel Owens's agent didn't file his paperwork on time so he couldn't become a free agent. Hence he was traded to Philly instead.

The Eagles paid Bryan Westbrook his $3 million bonus twice.

Whenever you mix human beings and technology you will get mistakes like these. I think the Oakland/Moses SNAFU scenario is completely plausible.

perhaps i was being overbroad. things like the snafus you mention are extremely rare (hence the fact that you can remember them so clearly). thus, without any truly damning reports thus far i would presume the rumor to be false.

 

[Sandan]

also agree with chicken, mistakes like that just don't happen at the pro level.

Really, you might want to talk to the Vikings then about the rational for how they get their picks into the podium on draft day ?

 

[SeaChicken]

I counting this as some type of victory even if it's just a rumor. The Cardinals need any wins they can get.

Most logical response I've seen yet.

 

[SeaChicken]

Jealous......

Yeah, that's exactly right. I'm jealous of the Cardinals pass rush. In fact, I'm jealous of the great many things that the Cardinals possess that people are jealous of... whatever those are.

But most of all, I'm jealous that we didn't do poorly enough last year to get dibbs on anything in the dumpster when the other teams take out their trash. This guy couldn't make the Raiders and you're ecstatic to have him with one guy even comparing him to the 4th overall pick (Gaines Adams). But clearly it's me that's not living in the real world. I'm just "jealous".

 

[SeaChicken]

Huh? Terrel Owens's agent didn't file his paperwork on time so he couldn't become a free agent. Hence he was traded to Philly instead.

The Eagles paid Bryan Westbrook his $3 million bonus twice.

Whenever you mix human beings and technology you will get mistakes like these. I think the Oakland/Moses SNAFU scenario is completely plausible.

Yep. It's completely plausible. And yet 24 hours later, not a single member of the national media has picked up the story. Probably because of all the other gripping stories going on in the NFL today that were far more attention getting. Stories like "Michael Strahan attends practice" and "Joey Porter expects to play football on Sunday". No place at all for the "Raiders botch their internal communication and accidentally cut a first day pick" story.

I may have misjudged when I said "you guys are smarter than this".

 

[Renz]

Yep. It's completely plausible. And yet 24 hours later, not a single member of the national media has picked up the story. Probably because of all the other gripping stories going on in the NFL today that were far more attention getting. Stories like "Michael Strahan attends practice" and "Joey Porter expects to play football on Sunday". No place at all for the "Raiders botch their internal communication and accidentally cut a first day pick" story.

I may have misjudged when I said "you guys are smarter than this".

What's wrong, Mike? Wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

So the Eagles can pay a guy $3 million twice, but a dysfunctional organization like the Raiders couldn't possibly miscommunicate their roster cuts. It's "impossible".

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Its nice to see something like this happen for us. We needed a DE and presto we get one.

We still need 2 more linebackers, another linemen and at least one more TE.

Presto!

Let me know when that works

 

[nurnay]

From Peter King:

Something stinks in Oakland. The Raiders released third-round defensive end Quentin Moses. When I was in Raiders camp, there was talk of him starting this year. Smells like a disagreement between Al Davis and Lane Kiffin over the final roster. To me, it's a terrible mistake. Moses will play, and play well, in the NFL; and the Raiders will be embarrassed over this. The Cardinals claimed him. I bet he'll be starting for the Cardinals by Oct. 1. What a dumb cut that was.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Yep. It's completely plausible. And yet 24 hours later, not a single member of the national media has picked up the story. Probably because of all the other gripping stories going on in the NFL today that were far more attention getting. Stories like "Michael Strahan attends practice" and "Joey Porter expects to play football on Sunday". No place at all for the "Raiders botch their internal communication and accidentally cut a first day pick" story.

I may have misjudged when I said "you guys are smarter than this".

typical seahawk.

Yeah i am sure if this did happen, there was no level of embarrassment on kiffens, davis's or the entire organizations part. In fact I am sure they would have done nothing to cover up this "technical" error so that they would'nt be even more roasted than they already are. I'm also sure with all the good pub they are getting with the Jamarcus Russell holdout there would be no cause to go to any lengths to prevent further embarassment.

No that sounds completely impossible that they would cover something like this up. In fact had it happened I am sure Kiffen and Davis would come out to the press conference arm in arm and saying "oops egg on our face - SURPRISE - we accidently let this kid go."

not to mention the Raiders are a model of an organization and have a long recent history of good moves so they deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt when "stupid moves" and "raiders" are associated in the same sentence....

I am not saying that the whole "clerical" mistake even happened for sure, but the fact that they name actual names, Peter King says talk was this kid was starting at some point this season per the coaches, and that he produced even a little in the preseason makes me think that there is a more than likely chance that this was a complete gaffe on the Raiders part.

I think its hilarious how people can listen to Kiffens quotes about how they just had too many good players to keep a third round pick who had a sack and 3 tackles for loss in limited time to keep an athlete like Moses around. The same Raiders devoid enough of talent to have the Number one pick last year. Their defense is good, but it ain't the 85 Bears. Im thinking EVERY team could find some kind of room for a physical freak who showed at least a little potential in the preseason and who also happens to be a 3rd round pick.

I think because of the internet and media we assume we know everything that goes on and that everything is reported. This is just simply not the case esp with a organization as shady as the Raiders.

Now as for the Gaines Adams comparison........

 

[SeaChicken]

What's wrong, Mike? Wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

So the Eagles can pay a guy $3 million twice, but a dysfunctional organization like the Raiders couldn't possibly miscommunicate their roster cuts. It's "impossible".

Didn't say it wasn't "possible" but I think we can see by the lack of attention it has gotten in the media, it's very likely patently false. No?

 

[SeaChicken]

typical seahawk.

Yeah i am sure if this did happen, there was no level of embarrassment on kiffens, davis's or the entire organizations part. In fact I am sure they would have done nothing to cover up this "technical" error so that they would'nt be even more roasted than they already are. I'm also sure with all the good pub they are getting with the Jamarcus Russell holdout there would be no cause to go to any lengths to prevent further embarassment.

No that sounds completely impossible that they would cover something like this up. In fact had it happened I am sure Kiffen and Davis would come out to the press conference arm in arm and saying "oops egg on our face - SURPRISE - we accidently let this kid go."

not to mention the Raiders are a model of an organization and have a long recent history of good moves so they deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt when "stupid moves" and "raiders" are associated in the same sentence....

I am not saying that the whole "clerical" mistake even happened for sure, but the fact that they name actual names, Peter King says talk was this kid was starting at some point this season per the coaches, and that he produced even a little in the preseason makes me think that there is a more than likely chance that this was a complete gaffe on the Raiders part.

I think its hilarious how people can listen to Kiffens quotes about how they just had too many good players to keep a third round pick who had a sack and 3 tackles for loss in limited time to keep an athlete like Moses around. The same Raiders devoid enough of talent to have the Number one pick last year. Their defense is good, but it ain't the 85 Bears. Im thinking EVERY team could find some kind of room for a physical freak who showed at least a little potential in the preseason and who also happens to be a 3rd round pick.

I think because of the internet and media we assume we know everything that goes on and that everything is reported. This is just simply not the case esp with a organization as shady as the Raiders.

Now as for the Gaines Adams comparison........

You just expended a lot of energy typing absolutely nothing. Yeah, the Raiders are performing a huge cover up and they kept the story completely out of the major media. The only ones that got a hold of it was a (surprise) rumor site. And even that rumor site says it must be true only because people on the Cardinals sites are talking about it.

I get the need to feel like you found a diamond on the trash heap but don't be delusional. The Raiders cut someone they felt wasn't good enough to make their team despite the fact that he was a third round pick. Cardinal fans should already know a little something about that.

Moses may turn out to be a solid defender. Maybe not. In any case, pleading the merits of a fleeting rumor from some whack job site is pathetic. Just because somebody has a website and says something you want to hear, it doesn't automatically make it true. You can defend the "possibility" all day but simple logic says it's highly unlikely.