Raining on Everybody's Parade

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I know that Cardinal fans have little enough to cheer about, but I think we're all getting a little bit carried away in our celebrations about the Emmitt Smith signing.

The thing that I think is the most ridiculous is that some people are not only thinking, but posting (with numerous unnecessary exclamation points) that Emmitt would/should help "recruit" other veteran castoffs (lets call a spade a spade here; no one else wanted the guy), most notably Junior Seau or, for whatever reason, Raghib Ismael. Emmitt Smith is not convincing anyone to sign with the Arizona Cardinals. I defy anyone to name a single instance where a veteran castoff signing convinced any player of merit to sign somewhere else. Remember a few weeks ago, right after Barry Gardner signed with the Chiefs, everyone said that he was recruiting Hugh Douglas hard to go play in KC? Did that happen? No. And they were teammates. Emmitt may know Rocket, but the guy's washed up, won't go over the middle, and will be playing wicked scared. Junior? All that fool wants to do is win a ring. There's no way he's coming here, and I wouldn't want him here if he did. He'd demand a starting spot, and I think it's a step back to put a slow, hard-hitting OLB in there, especially in our division, when we already have a bunch of quick guys. He'd fit in with the Fins, maybe the Pats, but in the NFC West? No way.

Emmitt's a quality back. That's true. It can't be denied. That being said, he's the exact same kind of back that I've been characterizing Marcel to be: He's not (I repeat, not) a game-breaker. There are five, if not ten, backs in the NFL that I'd rather have right now, and there are at least another five to ten in NFL history that I'd rather have than Emmitt for one game, and maybe a season. Emmitt improves our RB depth, because he pushes a starting-quality back in Marcel down the depth chart, but he doesn't make us respectable. He's not turning us from a 4-11 team into a 9-7 team. I'd hesitate to say that he turns us into an 8-8 team (I'm figuring that, assuming that we help the pass rush in the draft/development of players, and the WRs are as decent as Graves, Mac, and Sully obviously figure they are, that right noe we're a 6-10, 7-9 team).

Emmitt might put a Cards emblem on the NFL frontpage of ESPN.com or whatever, but he probably won't put us on Monday Night Football, or inspire anyone in, say, Alabama to go out and buy a Cards jersey. To me, this is reminiscent of the Cards signing Boomer Easiaison (that's misspelled, I'm sorry) all those years ago, when he was on the downside of his carreer.

This was a good PR move for Graves and the Bidwells. If it helps put some butts in the seats, even better. Does this make the Cards a dramatically better team, or a franchise on par with New England, San Fran, Tampa, Dallas, or Green Bay? Hell, no.

Good work, Cardinals management. Now, go make this a better team, please.
 

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Those are some valid points, Jack.



Other than that.....
HIS FREAKING NAME IS BIDWILL.
BID-WILL.
B-I-D-W-I-L-L.
THERE'S NO FRIGGIN "E" IN BIDWILL.


Sorry. Pet Peave.
 
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Sorry about that. I should post the correct spelling on my monitor. I always have that moment of hesitation when I write it, and this time, the 50/50 wager came up snake-eyes.
 

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Just One ?

Only one question Jack....yes or no answer only please:

Do you think this signing has hurt the Cards?
 

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actually...in my opinion (I have no stats to back it up)..from a fans standpoint..I think the highlight of our offense over the past 10 years was when boomer was the qb.

I agree about seau..I would say that maybe (big maybe) a guy like holliday - who has one huge offer from us and is hesitant about coming here...maybe if he sees a guy like emmitt signing here - he may think - hey - maybe if emmitt does it - it is ok for me. Holliday said when he was here that he used to spend the offseason here working out - so I assume he is ok moving to phoenix - so it appears to be the problem is with the cardinals. Maybe the emmitt signing would change his perception a little..

Again..we are all speculating. Rocket is not coming here - I only mentioned holliday and seau..but I do not think junior is that good of a fit - the only thing is that we are the closest team to his home in san diego (after he leaves chargers). a phone call from emmitt to vonnie would not hurt anything at this stage..
 
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All right, just to keep this post high and repliable (hate to see that little arrow disappear!)...

Wizard: Did Jeff Blake call Emmitt, and say, "I want you here; come," and Emmitt said, "Okay"? Did Emmitt say, "Hey, Jeff Blake's there; he has problems throwing the dump-off pass. Sign me up!" Players say "They're turning this franchise around" when they mean "They drove up the Brinks truck." I think that it's obvious to the rest of the league that no one else wanted Emmitt on his terms, or for much more than the minimum. All the rumors about people considering him were obviously bogus.

maddog: Well, those signings sure brought a winner to the Valley.

Buckeye: No, for now. I'll get back to you when I hear the details on the contract. I'm not saying that signing Emmitt hurt the Cards; I'm just saying that it seems like a lot of people on this board are going a little overboard.

pinnacle: Hasn't Holliday made it obvious to everyone that he doesn't want to be here? Why would we, if we want great guys in the locker room, etc., want this guy, and why would signing Emmitt make a difference to him? I'm not sure that a phone call from Emmitt would make a difference to me.
 
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Originally posted by WizardOfAz
Probably, if you work at it.

Well, I'd love to get one from you, since you're the one who said it happened.

Especially since Jeff Blake is such a top-shelf talent who's set the world on fire since his rookie season and basically every player in the NFL would want to play with.
 

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Originally posted by kerouac9
Well, I'd love to get one from you, since you're the one who said it happened.

Especially since Jeff Blake is such a top-shelf talent who's set the world on fire since his rookie season and basically every player in the NFL would want to play with.

Yes you are correct that is why we are paying 10+mill a year OOPS your right he was labled as top-shelf.
 

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I fail to see how signing Emmitt will affect attendance. Felon fans will still be felon fans and stay home.

Signing Emmitt matters if he can help us win. Winning will put butts in the seats.
 

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That isn't true. At the hospital I work at, we have had several of the female nurses who don't follow the Cardinals say they will go watch them this year...

"Because I love Emmitt Smith."

It like all the casual fans that sold out America West to watch Jordan play. Hardcores it won't effect...casual fans it will.
 

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it's only a two-year contract though. Do you think Emmit will still be around when the new stadium opens?? There are still three full seasons at Sun Devil Stadium until the new building is ready.
 

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kerouac9

think what you want...but it appears chris mortensen of ESPN does not think we are all a bunch of wild eyed crazies for thinking that emmitt may actually help recruit some veterans. Chris was interviewed by KDUS and said something like the following::

"you can bet emmitt will be on the phone with free agents like vonnie holliday and try to convince them to come to arizona - and his being here should help recruit players"

he was on kdus at approximately 5:10 PM on wednesday..if someone else heard his comments..feel free to correct me if I misquoted him - the above is what I heard.
 
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The day he signed, Jeff Blake was on with Ascher and Gambo (insert gag sound now) and they asked him about Emmitt Smith because he was, as you recall, scheduled for his first visit the next day. Blake said something to the effect that he had already been on the phone with Emmitt and he was going to delay his departure so he could meet with Emmitt at the Cards' facility when he arrived.
 

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Originally posted by SECTION 11
Those are some valid points, Jack.



Other than that.....
HIS FREAKING NAME IS BIDWILL.
BID-WILL.
B-I-D-W-I-L-L.
THERE'S NO FRIGGIN "E" IN BIDWILL.


Sorry. Pet Peave.

IT'S FREAKING SPELLED PEEVE.
PEEVE.
P-E-E-V-E.
THERE'S NO FRIGGIN' "A" IN PEEVE.

Sorry. ;)
 

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Originally posted by Skkorpion
I fail to see how signing Emmitt will affect attendance. Felon fans will still be felon fans and stay home.

Signing Emmitt matters if he can help us win. Winning will put butts in the seats.

Well, at least from a personal standpoint, Emmitt's signing has caused four more season tickets to get sold. I was going to wait until June or July before buying tickets again this season (I would honestly put it at 70/30 against re-newing).

After finding out her beloved Emmitt was coming to town, Imy wife has convinced me to re-newed all four of my season tickets. She even browbeat me to change my avatar from a photo of myself with Big Red to the doctored photo of Emmitt wearing Cardinal red.

And yes, she is a Cowboys fan...
 

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Originally posted by KingofCards
Divorce.

And lose half my stuff?

What a minute...I have no stuff...just debt...

BECAUSE OF HER!

You're right! I'm filing tomorrow...if she lets me...:(
 

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Originally posted by Cardinals.Ken
And lose half my stuff?

What a minute...I have no stuff...just debt...

BECAUSE OF HER!

You're right! I'm filing tomorrow...if she lets me...:(

LMAO. Tell me which lawyer you go to, maybe we can get a group discount!...
 

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