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2021 - Prove It
We can disagree about the offense. The defensive talent is absolutely the anchor for this team.Murray is a top 15 QB with very little talent elsewhere on the team.
We can disagree about the offense. The defensive talent is absolutely the anchor for this team.Murray is a top 15 QB with very little talent elsewhere on the team.
Its why the end of last season was fools gold. Conner looked like the 2nd best RB in the league to end the year. He made plays when there were no running lanes. We're reliant on Conner playing at an elite level.
I know people don't like the PHNX guys. However, they were told in the spring by multiple people in the building that they view Wrs as more of a luxury. Strong run game/physical Oline the foundation. Which is understandable but there is a way to maximize both.
I would agree that Murray has not developed many of the advanced QB skills , like ball placement. For example when attacking zones he doesn’t seem to lead receivers into gaps.
This offense isn't built around Kyler, it is built around Conner. The playing calling is built around Conner, especially early. I think this is apparent.
Its why the end of last season was fools gold. Conner looked like the 2nd best RB in the league to end the year. He made plays when there were no running lanes. We're reliant on Conner playing at an elite level.
I know people don't like the PHNX guys. However, they were told in the spring by multiple people in the building that they view Wrs as more of a luxury. Strong run game/physical Oline the foundation. Which is understandable but there is a way to maximize both.
Sure, but why would you take away what he does with his legs? That is part of what he brings to the offense.
Murray is a top 15 QB with very little talent elsewhere on the team.
The point is that running is part of his skill set and teams have to adjust to account for it. We only have to go back one week to see his legs playing a huge role in us beating a rival with a 50 yard TD and a huge 1st down late in the game. Taking away that part of his game to make a point of how good he is overall is disingenuous at best.
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We did convert 4th and 12 vs. the CommandersKyler has yet to convert a 3rd and long this season. The only QB in the NFL that hasn't. This is where his passive approach shift kills me.
I think it's fair to say he's in the middle third of QBs. Saying he's "top 15" clumps him in with the elite group of passers, and I don't think he belongs there. That's what causes the fights.I mean, he might be top 15, if he is 15. Which isn't good, because there are a lot of bad QB's in the league right now.
Actually no. They are there to orchestrate the offense and that includes the plays they make with their feet. Kyler is arguably a top 10 QB when you include what he does with his feet and has top 11 or so passing stats alone.Why? Because QB's are there to pass. The legs are a luxury extra. ar easier to stop him running than passing, as GB did yesterday. The Lions, Commanders and GB all defended him the exact same way.
If being able to run was all that mattered we could put Justin Fields at QB for a fraction of the money. And in all honesty, Fields could do exactly what Kyler is doing to the exact same level.
You can make this argument but you’d be wrongKyler is arguably a top 10 QB when you include what he does with his feet and has top 11 or so passing stats alone.
Great postintractable problems usually are the result of a few things being wrong rather than just one thing
all these things can be true at the same time:
Kyler is a QB who cannot offset deficiencies around him.
As the offensive line lost starters, the performance has gone down
the offensive scheme is very conservative
the offensive coaching is very risk averse -- i.e. telling Kyler to avoid INTs
Well said.
I am aware. The stat just accounted for 3rd and longs, not any 4th down.We did convert 4th and 12 vs. the Commanders
I'm not saying you're wrong. It's just surprising its come to this when he averaged 270 yards (286 w/healthy DHOP) a game with a washed AJ Green just 3 years ago.Kyler is currently just a highlight reel QB. He will have a few plays where he looks insanely talented that will be clipped for views but the majority of his QB play is very average. Kyler needs to run to be successful. He is not talented enough as a pocket passer to win games. Without his 82 yards of rushing vs the Niners they lose that game. If the coaching staff is not going to design the offense around his mobility and move him around, this team will continue to struggle. I don't think this coaching staff is capable of designing and executing a creative offense.
The 2021 Green Bay game changed Kyler Murray for whatever reason. Since that game, he has been a totally different QB.I'm not saying you're wrong. It's just surprising its come to this when he averaged 270 yards (286 w/healthy DHOP) a game with a washed AJ Green just 3 years ago.
That QB is so far from who Kyler is now. It’s bewildering.I'm not saying you're wrong. It's just surprising its come to this when he averaged 270 yards (286 w/healthy DHOP) a game with a washed AJ Green just 3 years ago.
Amazing stat to seeKyler has yet to convert a 3rd and long this season. The only QB in the NFL that hasn't. This is where his passive approach shift kills me.
Actually no. They are there to orchestrate the offense and that includes the plays they make with their feet. Kyler is arguably a top 10 QB when you include what he does with his feet and has top 11 or so passing stats alone.
The argument then becomes, how good is the talent that he has to work with? Because if he is leading a subpar offensive roster to fairly average numbers than it likely means he isn't a problem. If you believe the talent is average to above average than he would indeed be underperforming. Personally, I think the talent is below average and with better talent he would look quite a bit better.