Rams continue to grow money: sign Bobby Wagner

[Cheesebeef]

Ehhhh I’d say it’s more like you had no choice. Due to how impressive it was initially. But couldn’t wait for the rails to fall off so you could all start with your “I told you so” line of reasoning you were all pushing before the season began….

This is such crap. He couldn’t wait to for the rails to fall off? That’s accusing him of WANTING us to lose. That is straight up trash.

But I’m not surprised. The moderators have allowed the usual suspects to derail threads everywhere attacking other fans with impunity. Was only a matter of time before the moderators joined in the attacks, themselves.

The board is now a trash heap of insults and attacks and very little actual football talk. Bravo folks.

 

[Shane]

This is such crap. He couldn’t wait to for the rails to fall off? That’s accusing him of WANTING us to lose. That is straight up trash.

But I’m not surprised. The moderators have allowed the usual suspects to derail threads everywhere attacking other fans without impunity. Was only a matter of time before the moderators joined in the attacks, themselves.

It’s true though of course you’re not rooting for failure.. Like I said you have no choice but to root and and be happy as things are going good…. Like I said if the train kept going I’m sure some of you would’ve even ate some crow and been happy…. That’s what a fan does. It’s not questioning fandom at all…

But the second JJ Watt went down with injury Which basically started the downhill slide the incessant “I told you so” and “Keim signing off injured players that we can’t count on” came to the forefront. You guys reveled In it. It’s basically been nonstop since. More power to you. You’re entitled to feel that way. Doesnt mean many of us love to hear the constant moaning and complaining that goes on around here.

Fandom is never an issue we’re all clearly HUGE fans. But constant need to rub it in if your take was correct is overly nauseating.

 

[Cheesebeef]

It’s true though of course you’re not rooting for failure.. Like I said you have no choice but to root and and be happy as things are going good…. Like I said if the train kept going I’m sure some of you would’ve even ate some crow and been happy…. That’s what a fan does. It’s not questioning fandom at all…

But the second JJ Watt went down with injury Which basically started the downhill slide the incessant “I told you so” and “Keim signing off injured players that we can’t count on” came to the forefront. You guys reveled In it. It’s basically been nonstop since. More power to you. You’re entitled to feel that way. Doesnt mean many of us love to hear the constant moaning and complaining that goes on around here.

Fandom is never an issue we’re all clearly HUGE fans. But constant need to rub it in if your take was correct is overly nauseating.

So, @Ronin , is telling people they’re rooting for losses, slamming them as bitching and moaning and nauseating “debating the topic?” Or is it attacking the poster?

Just asking to truly understand what the rules on this board are now.

I mean, I could call all of the above completely idiotic. Is that as acceptable as nauseating, and claiming fans WANT their team to lose? Again, trying to understand the rules of the road here now.

As to the content of your post, it’s completely full of garbage and lies. Even after Watt went down, people were still OVER THE MOON when we were 10-2. That was a full FIVE GAMES AFTER WATT went down. It was WHILE Hop was out. The board and all the people you keep trashing with impunity were marveling at our ability to overcome obstacles and everyone was still talking about partying at MY HOUSE for the Super Bowl.

And then we face planted… AGAIN… and shock… people were pissed during the 1-5 ending. And then people were even more pissed that the authors of that collapse all somehow got rewarded for it. But none of that changes the fact that the overwhelming majority of the above and the latest attacks that have run rampant lately are just completely full of crap that you and others propagate here with regularity.

 

[BritCard]

Collins defensive snaps by week:

22
25
28
4
34
16
32
3
3
23
0
3
0
0
0
19
8
8

Oof.

J.J. Watt Defensive Snaps after Week 10: 24
Zaven Collins Defensive Snaps after Week 10: 38

That's only evidence of a poor DC decision.

Watching people twist themselves in knots by trying to suggest Vance knows what he is doing and would only drop him if Collins was making mistakes when for the past few years they have argued Vance doesn't know what he is doing and they want him gone is pretty hilarious.

 

[BritCard]

Honestly, I think the posters constantly attacking others are frustrated too, but they’d rather take it out on other posters because they can’t bring themselves to criticize the team for some unknown reason.

Nope. No issues with the team currently. It's early days and I expect us to have a good season.

It's definitely the incessant moaning I have a problem with. Just to be clear.

 

[BritCard]

You keep saying there is zero evidence but ignore the biggest piece of evidence that we have, Vance sat him. That's more telling than any PFF grade. If he was playing at such a high level that would not have happened.

One thing that I haven't seen brought up, and PFF won't account for, is that he was the mike linebacker and responsible for calling plays. It's speculation but maybe he wasn't making the correct calls and getting things setup pre-snap correctly. That's a huge mental task that does not show up in the physical stats. VJ would know stuff like that while PFF won't. It might not be the cause, or sole cause, of him sitting but it could be a reason why playing time dropped while the stats still look ok.

This is simply not true.

There are several reasons that Collins playing time dropped from Vance feeling personally more comfortable relying on vets to scheme.

When Collins played earlier in the season nearly all him snaps came by putting 3 LB's on the field. If you look at the snap counts for Hicks, Simmons and Collins they largely overlap and depending on the situation Jalen Thompson, Robert Alford and sometimes Simmons would lose some snaps so Collins could get some game time. Vance didn't want to take Hicks or Simmons out, he was juggling things to get snaps to Collins.

Now that was obviously working because arguably our defense was at it's best then but for reasons known only to Vance it's quite possibly he decided to play more true nickel or dime and didn't want 3 backers on the field anymore.

Now people want to say "Well he played Vallejo and Walker over him". Did he? Nearly all Vallejo's snaps came in the 3 games after Collins left the GB came with an arm injury. From week 11 through week 18 Vallejo played 10 snaps on defense. Joe Walker played 56 all year. 30 of which came in week 16. Neither Collins nor Vallejo played a snap that game.

If we are basing our judgement of Collins on Vance's decision to play him less down the stretch maybe someone could explain Vance's thought process behind Joe Walker playing no more than 9 snaps in any game all year (5 was his 2nd best number) and then suddenly in week 16 vs the Colts he decides to give him 30 snaps? (He played 0 week 17). I can feel people want to say "Well he thought he was better vs the run and JT" but if that's the case why didn't Walker get any snaps vs other great running teams like the Browns or Vikings? When the Seahawks were running us over in week 18 why did he only have 3 snaps?

 

[BritCard]

This is such crap. He couldn’t wait to for the rails to fall off? That’s accusing him of WANTING us to lose. That is straight up trash.

But I’m not surprised. The moderators have allowed the usual suspects to derail threads everywhere attacking other fans with impunity. Was only a matter of time before the moderators joined in the attacks, themselves.

The board is now a trash heap of insults and attacks and very little actual football talk. Bravo folks.

Maybe stop moaning incessantly about literally everything? Now you are moaning about people getting pissed off about you moaning.

 

[BritCard]

It’s true though of course you’re not rooting for failure.. Like I said you have no choice but to root and and be happy as things are going good…. Like I said if the train kept going I’m sure some of you would’ve even ate some crow and been happy…. That’s what a fan does. It’s not questioning fandom at all…

But the second JJ Watt went down with injury Which basically started the downhill slide the incessant “I told you so” and “Keim signing off injured players that we can’t count on” came to the forefront. You guys reveled In it. It’s basically been nonstop since. More power to you. You’re entitled to feel that way. Doesnt mean many of us love to hear the constant moaning and complaining that goes on around here.

Fandom is never an issue we’re all clearly HUGE fans. But constant need to rub it in if your take was correct is overly nauseating.

I'm pretty sure the Darksiders do it so they are always in a no lose situation.

They moan all offseason and say things are going to be garbage then if we win they say "Well I was just saying it how I saw it.." and if we lose we get "I told you were sucked. I was right".

They can't lose. It's win win for them.

 

[Ronin]

So, @Ronin , is telling people they’re rooting for losses, slamming them as bitching and moaning and nauseating “debating the topic?” Or is it attacking the poster?

Just asking to truly understand what the rules on this board are now.

I mean, I could call all of the above completely idiotic. Is that as acceptable as nauseating, and claiming fans WANT their team to lose? Again, trying to understand the rules of the road here now.

As to the content of your post, it’s completely full of garbage and lies. Even after Watt went down, people were still OVER THE MOON when we were 10-2. That was a full FIVE GAMES AFTER WATT went down. It was WHILE Hop was out. The board and all the people you keep trashing with impunity were marveling at our ability to overcome obstacles and everyone was still talking about partying at MY HOUSE for the Super Bowl.

And then we face planted… AGAIN… and shock… people were pissed during the 1-5 ending. And then people were even more pissed that the authors of that collapse all somehow got rewarded for it. But none of that changes the fact that the overwhelming majority of the above and the latest attacks that have run rampant lately are just completely full of crap that you and others propagate here with regularity.

Um what? When did I do any of this?

 

[Ronin]

Finding me a post where I said posters are rooting for losses @cheesebeef or quit hitching and moaning or whatever you are accusing me of. All i ever told people is to quit attacking the poster.or watch their language. I think your confused. Ill wait.

 

[Stout]

No way is it saying that…. Nice jump in logic though. There is a huge difference between wanting to gloat that you were right and just not being a fan. I have no doubt that if the success was maintained he and others woulda been Happy and willing to eat some crow even…. But all of you guys as the injuries occurred especially to Watt just couldn’t wait for the I told you so’s and finger pointing which wasn’t far behind. You guys have reveled in it ever since… do I think that makes you less a fan? No just like to be right and incessantly rub it in if you are

Oh, I was about to laugh and say "good one" to your last post. Now it seems like you meant it? Then your last post was just a huge crock of smelly stuff. I very much held off on the "I told you so" posts until well after the season, and then at the prodding of light siders. I complained my ass off when I felt it was warranted, but I did not rub it in when I was right. That's not my jam, like at all, and you know that. I hate it when this team sucks, which is often, and I couldn't revel in them being bad. I always type that I hope I'm wrong with my pessimism, and very much mean it.

 

[Stout]

It’s true though of course you’re not rooting for failure.. Like I said you have no choice but to root and and be happy as things are going good…. Like I said if the train kept going I’m sure some of you would’ve even ate some crow and been happy…. That’s what a fan does. It’s not questioning fandom at all…

But the second JJ Watt went down with injury Which basically started the downhill slide the incessant “I told you so” and “Keim signing off injured players that we can’t count on” came to the forefront. You guys reveled In it. It’s basically been nonstop since. More power to you. You’re entitled to feel that way. Doesnt mean many of us love to hear the constant moaning and complaining that goes on around here.

Fandom is never an issue we’re all clearly HUGE fans. But constant need to rub it in if your take was correct is overly nauseating.

Sorry Shane, this take is lame as hell. I'll give you the same benefit of the doubt that you're supposedly giving us and say you're not lying, per se, but grossly misremembering. The dark side went crazy eating crow last season for a huge stretch. "I'm sure some of you would've even ate some crow" is just absolutely, 100 percent wrong. WE ALL DID. Happily. I was even predicting blowout wins every week, for crying out loud. When it went off the rails, of course we were unhappy. Unhappy, not reveling in it, which connotes, you know, happiness.

This is just a bad, shameful take. Stop questioning fanhood. Next time you say one negative thing, I'll attack your character and try to throw you under the bus, eh?

 

[Stout]

So, @Ronin , is telling people they’re rooting for losses, slamming them as bitching and moaning and nauseating “debating the topic?” Or is it attacking the poster?

Just asking to truly understand what the rules on this board are now.

I mean, I could call all of the above completely idiotic. Is that as acceptable as nauseating, and claiming fans WANT their team to lose? Again, trying to understand the rules of the road here now.

As to the content of your post, it’s completely full of garbage and lies. Even after Watt went down, people were still OVER THE MOON when we were 10-2. That was a full FIVE GAMES AFTER WATT went down. It was WHILE Hop was out. The board and all the people you keep trashing with impunity were marveling at our ability to overcome obstacles and everyone was still talking about partying at MY HOUSE for the Super Bowl.

And then we face planted… AGAIN… and shock… people were pissed during the 1-5 ending. And then people were even more pissed that the authors of that collapse all somehow got rewarded for it. But none of that changes the fact that the overwhelming majority of the above and the latest attacks that have run rampant lately are just completely full of crap that you and others propagate here with regularity.

+1

This is all getting ridiculous. If the rules are going to be no negative posting and only light siders are allowed to wantonly attack posters, please say that these are the rules. I'm used to and fine with regular run of the mill gunning for dark siders. Nothing new. Now mods, and veteran posters, are joining in. Not cool, because arguing back will end in bans. Very much not cool.

 

[Stout]

I'm pretty sure the Darksiders do it so they are always in a no lose situation.

They moan all offseason and say things are going to be garbage then if we win they say "Well I was just saying it how I saw it.." and if we lose we get "I told you were sucked. I was right".

They can't lose. It's win win for them.

I'm pretty sure you're spewing garbage. It's not the attitude that you want, so you do your best to distort and slam other posters.

Right now, you're going insane defending Collins based on pretty much nothing, but yeah, we're awful posters. JFC

Respond to the post, not the poster. Here's more evidence of poster attacking. But if I reply as strongly as this garbage post deserves, I'll be banned. JFC

 

[Stout]

Um what? When did I do any of this?

He's asking you if this kind of crap from a moderator (Shane) is acceptable. What Shane is doing is banworthy, attacking other posters. Which is a surprise, because he's usually a good guy. Heck, I thought he was joking at first! This kind of stuff isn't right and causes other posters to be banned. Cheese is just wondering what the new rules are. Sure feels like being a darksider is against the rules now.

 

[Stout]

Finding me a post where I said posters are rooting for losses @cheesebeef or quit hitching and moaning or whatever you are accusing me of. All i ever told people is to quit attacking the poster.or watch their language. I think your confused. Ill wait.

He's talking about Shane and asking if that crap is now okay. He wasn't calling you out.

 

[QuebecCard]

I'm pretty sure you're spewing garbage. It's not the attitude that you want, so you do your best to distort and slam other posters.

Right now, you're going insane defending Collins based on pretty much nothing, but yeah, we're awful posters. JFC

Respond to the post, not the poster. Here's more evidence of poster attacking. But if I reply as strongly as this garbage post deserves, I'll be banned. JFC

The master of negative adjectives directed here, there and everywhere now paints himself the victim.

Hilarious!

 

[Stout]

The master of negative adjectives directed here, there and everywhere now paints himself the victim.

Hilarious!

And the master of unsubstantial troll posts drops by to troll. Hilarious!

 

[Ronin]

So, @Ronin , is telling people they’re rooting for losses, slamming them as bitching and moaning and nauseating “debating the topic?” Or is it attacking the poster?

Just asking to truly understand what the rules on this board are now.

I mean, I could call all of the above completely idiotic. Is that as acceptable as nauseating, and claiming fans WANT their team to lose? Again, trying to understand the rules of the road here now.

As to the content of your post, it’s completely full of garbage and lies. Even after Watt went down, people were still OVER THE MOON when we were 10-2. That was a full FIVE GAMES AFTER WATT went down. It was WHILE Hop was out. The board and all the people you keep trashing with impunity were marveling at our ability to overcome obstacles and everyone was still talking about partying at MY HOUSE for the Super Bowl.

And then we face planted… AGAIN… and shock… people were pissed during the 1-5 ending. And then people were even more pissed that the authors of that collapse all somehow got rewarded for it. But none of that changes the fact that the overwhelming majority of the above and the latest attacks that have run rampant lately are just completely full of crap that you and others propagate here with regularity.

I'm sorry I didn't understand your post,.its early. No its not okay. Unfortunately I can't warn or ban mods. I guess I have to tell mods to stop the fighting and I also have keep an eye out for their behavior.

 

[Ronin]

He's asking you if this kind of crap from a moderator (Shane) is acceptable. What Shane is doing is banworthy, attacking other posters. Which is a surprise, because he's usually a good guy. Heck, I thought he was joking at first! This kind of stuff isn't right and causes other posters to be banned. Cheese is just wondering what the new rules are. Sure feels like being a darksider is against the rules now.

I'm sorry I didn't understand your post,.its early. No its not okay. Unfortunately I can't warn or ban mods. I guess I have to tell mods to stop the fighting and I also have keep an eye out for their behavior.

Thanks for clarifying that...ill keep an eye out.

 

[Ronin]

I'm pretty sure the Darksiders do it so they are always in a no lose situation.

They moan all offseason and say things are going to be garbage then if we win they say "Well I was just saying it how I saw it.." and if we lose we get "I told you were sucked. I was right".

They can't lose. It's win win for them.

I think tempers would cool down if you would stop calling people out.
You're not listening so I'm issuing warning.

 

[Ronin]

Maybe stop moaning incessantly about literally everything? Now you are moaning about people getting pissed off about you moaning.

Attack the post not the poster. 3 day break for you.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No way is it saying that…. Nice jump in logic though. There is a huge difference between wanting to gloat that you were right and just not being a fan. I have no doubt that if the success was maintained he and others woulda been Happy and willing to eat some crow even…. But all of you guys as the injuries occurred especially to Watt just couldn’t wait for the I told you so’s and finger pointing which wasn’t far behind. You guys have reveled in it ever since… do I think that makes you less a fan? No just like to be right and incessantly rub it in if you are

Lol if this isn’t the very epitome of projection…

For YEARS it’s always the koolaiders trying to rub the darksiders noses in everything. Go back and look at any number of posts from this past season. Call out after call out. So lame. The darksiders don’t like being right when they are. This past season some finally had enough and pointed out that maybe all the trash they take isn’t always founded. I don’t blame after having to be on the defensive all the time because the board allows attack after attack on them.

And it’s total revisionist history when you add the modifier “if success was maintained” - that’s straight horse manure. The entire first part of the season was replete with (a) affirmative “crow” posts by darksiders; and (b) forced crow demands by krang and brit - and even with those darksiders agreed and ate crow.

Not a single poster “reveled” in any injury. That’s some grade A BS right there.

 

[Ronin]

I warned him time after time to stop calling people out. He didn't listen. And no I'm not trying to show off. I was very compassionate giving him only three days.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So, @Ronin , is telling people they’re rooting for losses, slamming them as bitching and moaning and nauseating “debating the topic?” Or is it attacking the poster?

Just asking to truly understand what the rules on this board are now.

I mean, I could call all of the above completely idiotic. Is that as acceptable as nauseating, and claiming fans WANT their team to lose? Again, trying to understand the rules of the road here now.

As to the content of your post, it’s completely full of garbage and lies. Even after Watt went down, people were still OVER THE MOON when we were 10-2. That was a full FIVE GAMES AFTER WATT went down. It was WHILE Hop was out. The board and all the people you keep trashing with impunity were marveling at our ability to overcome obstacles and everyone was still talking about partying at MY HOUSE for the Super Bowl.

And then we face planted… AGAIN… and shock… people were pissed during the 1-5 ending. And then people were even more pissed that the authors of that collapse all somehow got rewarded for it. But none of that changes the fact that the overwhelming majority of the above and the latest attacks that have run rampant lately are just completely full of crap that you and others propagate here with regularity.

I think your earlier post was right. I think the koolaiders are pissed with how the season ended and instead of being able to direct their ire at the team they trash other posters as their means of venting. Not cool, but makes sense.