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[Bert]

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Lol just wanted to discuss it, because if you take to seconds to absorb what I said, it would be completely logical to assume most teams are slowing down a little at this point. There are other factors involved too; schedule, injuries. Other teams could be speeding up as well based on their opponents. I think that analytics give you a more accurate picture in baseball because after playing 162 games, the numbers just dont lie. Football is not the same.

I'm just saying I dont think looking at that neado graph and saying; "See we're getting worse, we are so mediocre!" is an accurate conclusion until you take a few other factors into consideration. I know that it was ridiculous to ask you a question in YOUR thread and expect a halfway courteous answer. I don't get why you always have to be so smug.


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[CardinalMan]

DVOA is flawed. It's not an accurate analysis of team strength currently, nor an accurate predictor of team strength going forward.

I see quotes like:

"The Cardinals have gone from steamrolling their opponents to mostly playing a little bit above average..."

"After all, the Cardinals beat both Seattle and Cincinnati despite having lower DVOA ratings than their opponents for both games."

"Because the Cardinals keep winning despite the lower DVOA ratings..."

and I can only come to one conclusion, it's nonsense. It's trying to apply baseball statistics to football and it doesn't work. Seattle had a better DVOA than us going into their absolute beat-down against us? Really? I understand they put different weights on things and use metrics, but that's nonsense.

Furthermore, people can't even read their own stats. You know what that dumb graph (I hate graphs and pie charts, just talk to me bro) tells me?

It tells me that earlier in the year we had weaker opponents we dominated. It tells me the last 3 games we've played quality opponents with high DVOA's, and we've beaten them. According to the beautiful graph supplied, it suggests that we're slightly above average against a SB team last year, and a Cinci team that was 9-1 at the time we played them. So our DVOA was slightly above average against good teams, and exceptional against crap teams. That's what I'm seeing.

I'll take the win every day.

Strongly agree. Basically all mathematical systems are flawed when evaluating a critically team oriented sport like football. Baseball is easier because less team oriented than football; it essentially comes down to hitter vs. pitcher for most of the action. Even so when a round bat hits a round ball there are random outcomes.

 

[AZfaninMN]

DVOA is flawed. It's not an accurate analysis of team strength currently, nor an accurate predictor of team strength going forward.

I see quotes like:

"The Cardinals have gone from steamrolling their opponents to mostly playing a little bit above average..."

"After all, the Cardinals beat both Seattle and Cincinnati despite having lower DVOA ratings than their opponents for both games."

"Because the Cardinals keep winning despite the lower DVOA ratings..."

and I can only come to one conclusion, it's nonsense. It's trying to apply baseball statistics to football and it doesn't work. Seattle had a better DVOA than us going into their absolute beat-down against us? Really? I understand they put different weights on things and use metrics, but that's nonsense.

Furthermore, people can't even read their own stats. You know what that dumb graph (I hate graphs and pie charts, just talk to me bro) tells me?

It tells me that earlier in the year we had weaker opponents we dominated. It tells me the last 3 games we've played quality opponents with high DVOA's, and we've beaten them. According to the beautiful graph supplied, it suggests that we're slightly above average against a SB team last year, and a Cinci team that was 9-1 at the time we played them. So our DVOA was slightly above average against good teams, and exceptional against crap teams. That's what I'm seeing.

I'll take the win every day.

I agree. Another thing DVOA doesn't measure is the emotion of the game. Division rivalry games are always fun to try and gamble who will win. If you're one of the leagues best your going to get your other teams best because they want to prove themselves. If a team makes a great couple plays in a row they the momentum and sometimes that can lead to a win.

 

[TJ]

If DVOA thinks we're an average team, then I like my average team, especially when it is on a 5-game winning streak.

I think we beat the **** out of the Rams. Like >14 points. They are swirling the drain and have numerous distractions, including coach, QB, concussion, Los Angeles, and others. Additionally, Gurley is starting to slow down, who's the Rams's biggest offensive threat.

Furthermore, Arizona wants to rebound from the Week 4 game to show that that game was a fluke. This one is personal

yup. Ass kicking complete.

Nice six-game winning streak for this team who's playing average.