Ranking the QBs

[Krangodnzr]

Yeah, I blew that one. It was Va Tech. However the 5th ranking is not their pass defense. They ranked 33rd in that category.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/695

That’s better but clearly not a strong pass defense team. I do apologize for the místake but it doesn’t change my ranking.

33 out of 220 or so? Thats pretty strong.

 

[Chopper0080]

#1 is Sam Darnold. Sub par coaching in college has limited his development from the 2016 season to the 2017 season. He is not the polished prospect that Rosen is, but he is a much better leader. You would like more of a finished project, but his learning curve, like Mahomes and Watson's, will be quick. He has talent and a great work ethic. Best QB in the class.

#2 is Josh Rosen. He is a little like Jay Cutler in that he has the intelligence and physical skills to be the guy, but his personality won't fit everywhere. I worry that he has never really had the struggle of Darnold/Mayfield/Allen to create the chip on his shoulder. I don't know what he is willing to do to be great.

#3 is Baker Mayfield. I hate immaturity in my QBs, and that coupled with his lack of prototypical size gives him more ways to fail than Rosen and Darnold. That being said, his accuracy is awesome, and he has shown to be able and willing to push the ball down the field. I like his leadership on the field, but I worry about how he leads off of it.

#4 is Josh Allen. Rudolph is probably more likely to be an average QB than Allen, and Lamar Jackson is more athletic. What I like about Allen is that he has the highest ceiling of the three and if I am taking the 4th best QB to develop, I want the one with the highest ceiling. I have real concerns about his accuracy, and that can lead to bust. I don't believe that I would trade up for Allen, but of Jackson, Allen and Rudolph at 15, I would take Allen.

#5 is Lamar Jackson for me. Good athlete who needs work. Similar player to Marcus MAriota where I see the desire to make more plays from the pocket, but it may never develop into a natural trait. It is hard to change what has always enabled you to be successful when you are under duress.

#6 is Mason Rudolph. I do think Rudolph sticks in the league, and I would not have an issue if the Cardinals took him in round 2. But, I would never pay a premium price for vanilla ice cream, and that is how I view Rudolph. He may be an Andy Dalton type NFL player which is worth something, but not the #15 pick for me.

 

[wa52lz]

Garth, I think that Steve Keim wants either Josh Allen or Mason Rudolph in this draft...he might look to trade up for Allen (and would have to, by most projections), but very might be able to take Rudolph at #15. of course, this depends on whether the new HC and OC concur, and/or whether Keim and the new HC address the QB position in FA or via trade.

What do you think about Rudolph? I really don't watch much CFB, but do you feel there is a big drop off from say Mayfield to him? I know Rudolph is prototype QB body wise and he dosnt run as well as Mayfield.

 

[wa52lz]

#1 is Sam Darnold. Sub par coaching in college has limited his development from the 2016 season to the 2017 season. He is not the polished prospect that Rosen is, but he is a much better leader. You would like more of a finished project, but his learning curve, like Mahomes and Watson's, will be quick. He has talent and a great work ethic. Best QB in the class.

#2 is Josh Rosen. He is a little like Jay Cutler in that he has the intelligence and physical skills to be the guy, but his personality won't fit everywhere. I worry that he has never really had the struggle of Darnold/Mayfield/Allen to create the chip on his shoulder. I don't know what he is willing to do to be great.

#3 is Baker Mayfield. I hate immaturity in my QBs, and that coupled with his lack of prototypical size gives him more ways to fail than Rosen and Darnold. That being said, his accuracy is awesome, and he has shown to be able and willing to push the ball down the field. I like his leadership on the field, but I worry about how he leads off of it.

#4 is Josh Allen. Rudolph is probably more likely to be an average QB than Allen, and Lamar Jackson is more athletic. What I like about Allen is that he has the highest ceiling of the three and if I am taking the 4th best QB to develop, I want the one with the highest ceiling. I have real concerns about his accuracy, and that can lead to bust. I don't believe that I would trade up for Allen, but of Jackson, Allen and Rudolph at 15, I would take Allen.

#5 is Lamar Jackson for me. Good athlete who needs work. Similar player to Marcus MAriota where I see the desire to make more plays from the pocket, but it may never develop into a natural trait. It is hard to change what has always enabled you to be successful when you are under duress.

#6 is Mason Rudolph. I do think Rudolph sticks in the league, and I would not have an issue if the Cardinals took him in round 2. But, I would never pay a premium price for vanilla ice cream, and that is how I view Rudolph. He may be an Andy Dalton type NFL player which is worth something, but not the #15 pick for me.

So you see Dalton as best case for Rudolph, but unlikely? Asking because I do not watch a lot of CFB, but a couple of my friends really like him for the Cards, and he would likely be the only one available @ 15.

 

[Mitch]

What do you think about Rudolph? I really don't watch much CFB, but do you feel there is a big drop off from say Mayfield to him? I know Rudolph is prototype QB body wise and he dosnt run as well as Mayfield.

I like Rudolph. Has good pocket presence, can shift his feet, square up and make good throws. He doesn't have a cannon. But he has good timing and good touch. Passed for more 50+ yard plays that any college QB this year. He lays the deep ball out there pretty well. By all accounts he's a good leader and popular teammate. His coaches rave about his work ethic and film prep. I think he checks all the boxes except high-end mobility and cannon arm.

 

[Mitch]

Mayfield is more versatile because of his mobility. Mayfield is more consistently accurate...but I think Rudolph will be a better pocket passer in the NFL.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Does anybody really think Mayfield's rah-rah stuff is going to play well in a NFL locker room? I sure don't. To me, Mayfield has more red flags than any of the top 5-6. He's short, doesn't have a strong arm, not the greatest athlete, immature, to rah-rah, and plays in an offense that usually has WR's running wide open. On the plus side, he can make plays outside the pocket, throws an accurate ball, and seems to be a winner although Oklahoma has lost 2 games every year and, at a school like Oklahoma with their talent, that's really not all that special.

Couple of thought...The Panthers don't seem to have an issue with Cam in the locker room, and to me he's a rah rah guy. Also, if Mayfield goes to a younger team, it's a non-issue, IMO. If the Cards do a bigger overhaul and get younger, I think he's okay...if not, he needs a team like Cleveland.

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[WildBB]

#1 is Sam Darnold. Sub par coaching in college has limited his development from the 2016 season to the 2017 season. He is not the polished prospect that Rosen is, but he is a much better leader. You would like more of a finished project, but his learning curve, like Mahomes and Watson's, will be quick. He has talent and a great work ethic. Best QB in the class.

#2 is Josh Rosen. He is a little like Jay Cutler in that he has the intelligence and physical skills to be the guy, but his personality won't fit everywhere. I worry that he has never really had the struggle of Darnold/Mayfield/Allen to create the chip on his shoulder. I don't know what he is willing to do to be great.

#3 is Baker Mayfield. I hate immaturity in my QBs, and that coupled with his lack of prototypical size gives him more ways to fail than Rosen and Darnold. That being said, his accuracy is awesome, and he has shown to be able and willing to push the ball down the field. I like his leadership on the field, but I worry about how he leads off of it.

#4 is Josh Allen. Rudolph is probably more likely to be an average QB than Allen, and Lamar Jackson is more athletic. What I like about Allen is that he has the highest ceiling of the three and if I am taking the 4th best QB to develop, I want the one with the highest ceiling. I have real concerns about his accuracy, and that can lead to bust. I don't believe that I would trade up for Allen, but of Jackson, Allen and Rudolph at 15, I would take Allen.

#5 is Lamar Jackson for me. Good athlete who needs work. Similar player to Marcus MAriota where I see the desire to make more plays from the pocket, but it may never develop into a natural trait. It is hard to change what has always enabled you to be successful when you are under duress.

#6 is Mason Rudolph. I do think Rudolph sticks in the league, and I would not have an issue if the Cardinals took him in round 2. But, I would never pay a premium price for vanilla ice cream, and that is how I view Rudolph. He may be an Andy Dalton type NFL player which is worth something, but not the #15 pick for me.

Do you really think that the most QB desperate franchises will pass on QB's ?Even Washington who picks ahead of us is likely to take one. Maybe Rudolph or Jackson but the way teams are QB starved, it would be a surprise if one of them was available because of the great need out there. We know Browns, Giants, Broncs and Jets probably take a flyer right off the bat on the top 4. Then Dolphins, Bengals and Skins drafting in front of us are possibilities as well. The FO and new coaches will have to make a difficult commitment, mtl. But one that should be made, indeed possibly should have already been made.

 

[juza76]

I watched a full highlight of josh allen against iowa, looks like an agile version of Skelton, totally inaccurate

 

[Chopper0080]

Do you really think that the most QB desperate franchises will pass on QB's ?Even Washington who picks ahead of us is likely to take one. Maybe Rudolph or Jackson but the way teams are QB starved, it would be a surprise if one of them was available because of the great need out there. We know Browns, Giants, Broncs and Jets probably take a flyer right off the bat on the top 4. Then Dolphins, Bengals and Skins drafting in front of us are possibilities as well. The FO and new coaches will have to make a difficult commitment, mtl. But one that should be made, indeed possibly should have already been made.

Free agency is going to go a long way to determining how QBs go high in this draft. Kirk Cousins, Alex Smith, and Eli Manning will determine whether teams are taking QBs high in the first round or looking to trade up from their 2nd round spots.

 

[Chopper0080]

I watched a full highlight of josh allen against iowa, looks like an agile version of Skelton, totally inaccurate

That is the concern. Just like Darnold's turnovers. Just like Rosen's personality. Just like Mayfield's size and maturity.

It just depends on how comfortable you are with each of those unique issues.

 

[Chopper0080]

So you see Dalton as best case for Rudolph, but unlikely? Asking because I do not watch a lot of CFB, but a couple of my friends really like him for the Cards, and he would likely be the only one available @ 15.

I think Rudolph is likely to stick in the NFL and that his top end is in the realm of Andy Dalton. He floor is probably Sean Mannion/Drew Stanton.

 

[Snakester]

Mayfield is more versatile because of his mobility. Mayfield is more consistently accurate...but I think Rudolph will be a better pocket passer in the NFL.

I really like Rudolph. He's the complete package as a QB. I would be happy to have him or Mayfield in this draft.

 

[Solar7]

Couple of thought...The Panthers don't seem to have an issue with Cam in the locker room, and to me he's a rah rah guy. Also, if Mayfield goes to a younger team, it's a non-issue, IMO. If the Cards do a bigger overhaul and get younger, I think he's okay...if not, he needs a team like Cleveland.

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This was my first thought too. I also think Aaron Rodgers and Matt Stafford have some of that rah rah leadership in them. And Cousins as he's gotten more comfortable over the past 3 years.

 

[Metcalf Rules]

Nooooo!!!!!
http://cardswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/04/check-out-which-qb-prospect-gm-steve-keim-scouted-live/

 

[cardncubfan]

Nooooo!!!!!
http://cardswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/04/check-out-which-qb-prospect-gm-steve-keim-scouted-live/

Just doing his due diligence.

 

[oaken1]

Nooooo!!!!!
http://cardswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/04/check-out-which-qb-prospect-gm-steve-keim-scouted-live/

makes you think he is planning to wait until the second round to get a QB,..lol..

Hope fully is just scouting out plan B... even though I think Rudolph is a better plan B

 

[Buckybird]

Nooooo!!!!!
http://cardswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/04/check-out-which-qb-prospect-gm-steve-keim-scouted-live/

That pick will get him fired within 3 years no doubt in my mind

 

[az jam]

John Elway was also at the game checking out Allen. Broncos pick is #5.